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To: Angelus Errare; Archangelsk; EternalVigilance; Congressman Billybob; FairOpinion; Petronski; ...
In Antony Beevor's The Fall of Berlin 1945 the Werewolf project is described as something that lived only in the mind of Joseph Goebbels along with his National Redoubt. It fooled the Soviets and allies which caused much suffering amongst German civilians after the end of the war. To Stalin's Soviets, who were a paranoid bunch to begin with the Werewolf propaganda was swallowed whole. This meant that any house that had any military related item in it like an old uniform meant that the whole family would be killed. Eisenhower's acceptance of the National Redoubt propaganda made him divert the army to the south rather than driving on to the west to meet up with the Russians.

In fact, Jewish revenge squads killed more Nazis via acts of terror (and an attempted mass poisoning) than the Nazis killed occupation forces after the end of the war during the occupation.

I want to also add that Beevor's book mentions how the German civilians were not troublemakers for the Soviets and to the shock of the Soviet occupiers who found the Germans compliant and submissive.

You can't compare Iraq to Germany or Japan. Both Germany and Japan had golden years of democratic representative govts that were still remembered. In addition they were both homogenous cultures and in Japan there was even an Emperor to focus loyalty.

We are also not the same Americans as we used to be. Our military and nation in that era was well practiced in colonialisim. We had occupied many Latin American nations routinely and we had a good sized colonial presence. Gen. MacArthur and his staff got to the practice they needed to run Japan when they ran the Phillipines. We had diplomats, beaurocrats, NCOs and officers in our military back then that had experiance in ruling foreign peoples in a colonial manner.

As the expeiances of the last 20 years has shown, America and even the UK has lost the tradition and experiances of how to nation build. Every nation building attempt of the last 20 years has been a complete failure.

Please no more comparisons of Iraq with Germany and Japan (why does everyone forget Italy?).

23 posted on 07/24/2003 9:23:58 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: graycamel; Itzlzha; vetvetdoug; SAMWolf; eeman; narses; He Rides A White Horse
See my post #23. The Werewolf resistance of Joseph Goebbels was just propaganda. Joseph Goebbels truely was a master of propaganda if almost 60 years after his death his trickery lives on as fact.
25 posted on 07/24/2003 9:32:55 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
You are wrong on a number of points. I'll mention only a few. Eisenhower temporarily believed in the "redoubt in Bavaria" theory, but abandoned it based on better intelligence, just prior to the collapse of Germany. The Werewolves did exist (just not controlled from Bavaria) and did conduct attacks in all four sectors of German occupation -- American, French, British and Russian.

The facts on the ground of German occupation in 1945-46 are nearly identical in all respects to Iraqi occupation in 1003-2004. The number of Americans involved, the casualty rates, the rates of sabotage, the rates of attacks on "collaborators" are all statistical matches between Germany and Iraq.

You are correct that Japan does not apply. However, that is because they revered the Emperor, and McArthur (wisely) left the Emperor in place and the Emperor (wisely) urged no resistance to the occupation. Your question about Italy shows you've missed a few historical points. Much of Italy fell, in the last days, to Italian partisans, rather than Allied troops. It was Italians who hung Mussolini's body from a lamppost in Milan.

America has not attempted any "nation-building" in the last twenty years that was remotely comparable to Iraq, today. But it did do precisely that, under nearly identical circumstances, in Germany in 1945-46. You need to read some more history books from WW II.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, now up FR, "Sixteen Little Words."

48 posted on 07/25/2003 7:27:36 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob ("Don't just stand there. Run for Congress." www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Destro
I was not aware taht targeting active and former memebrs of teh SS adn Wermacht represented terrorism.
56 posted on 07/25/2003 3:04:06 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: Destro
Thanks the link for the book on "The Avengers"
PBS (KCET) had one special on about the work of these sorts of groups.

Not that I like the idea of extra-legal justice...but if I'd lost a fair chunk of
my family and had the chance to assure something like justice was
meted out to these animals...I don't know what I'd have done...
83 posted on 07/26/2003 4:38:06 PM PDT by VOA
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