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CA: Why Davis is really in trouble
SFGate.com ^ | 7/25/03 | Jill Stewart

Posted on 07/25/2003 7:16:07 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:43:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WHAT THE MEDIA observe firsthand during political wars, but often clean up when they report the news for public consumption, continually bemuses me.

Everything the opposing campaigns do from this moment forward will be in order to influence the polls as Gov. Gray Davis hurtles toward the first recall vote against a U.S. governor since the 1920s.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; davis; really; recall; trouble
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1 posted on 07/25/2003 7:16:07 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Another nice piece from Jill Stewart. Ping
2 posted on 07/25/2003 7:17:04 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...&&&&&&&&&...SuPPort FRee Republic.....www.DRAFTTOM.com..... NEVER FORGET)
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To: NormsRevenge
""This is just explosive stuff," says Democratic pundit and polling expert Pat Caddell of numerous findings the Times didn't publish. "It tells me the Democrats don't understand what they are facing -- recall support is broad, and we may be heading toward a huge turnout."

The turnout will be huge for another reason. Each declared and running candidate will have their own GOTV effort--not just the GOP but the Greens, Libertarians etc. Each and every one of those voters will vote "yes" on the first question. Many Rats will too. Methinks Grayout is toast for this reason alone...

3 posted on 07/25/2003 7:24:40 AM PDT by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
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To: NormsRevenge
Jill Stewart is a a print, radio and television commentator on California politics.

And not very good either.

4 posted on 07/25/2003 7:27:56 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (The Dems are self-destructing before our eyes, How Great is That !)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Gilliard hesitated. Clearly, it hadn't crossed anyone's mind to have a Spanish speaker.


Or could it be that Republicans do not identify people by their race, and see the need to have a special spokesman for black, hispanics, gays, lesbians, transgendered, or blondes?

5 posted on 07/25/2003 7:33:33 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: eureka!
Agree. I still think Arnold will get in at the last minute, perhaps when it's too late for Feinstein to jump in.
6 posted on 07/25/2003 7:38:48 AM PDT by LS
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To: NormsRevenge
Kalifornians will jut replace one poltical whore with another. Their problems are far from over. For they are still Liberal Kalifornians at heart. (Present company excluded).

Let Kalifornia be an exmaple to Americas as to what would happen if the Socialist ever come to national power again.
7 posted on 07/25/2003 7:39:46 AM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Maybe, but I do think this is a continuing disconnect. You can trash the concept all you want, but it's stupid politics. In the 1800s, the big political machines always had Polish and German speakers for those communities that did not speak English---and history shows that Germans and Poles retained their native tongue far longer than most Hispanic immigrants. So the recall people would be smart to get on this.
8 posted on 07/25/2003 7:40:20 AM PDT by LS
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To: NormsRevenge
Norm, Norm, Norm, nice piece????

Here's a person who sought to damn both parties instead of take the Democrats to task for running this state right into the ground. And what grounds did they use to slam Republicans, for not having a representative present who could give a presentation in a foreign language. J---- H. C-----, what nonsense.

Gray Davis, Bob Mulholland, and the Democrat controlled Legislature have take four years to put this state on the verge of insolvency. Thankfully the writer did have the smarts to mention that some of the Dems actually wanted to make the deficits even worse to manipulate the populace.

What bothers me, is that we are here by the devices of the Democrats, yet the media just can't quite grasp the fact that they deserve the blame, despite them being in control. What would it take for the media to simply state the facts? The Democrats have screwed this state right into the ground.

Nope, instead we get this mish mash of rotting banana peals and vegetables, that both parties are terrible. The idea is to create the attitude in the public of, "Aw who cares, they're both terrible."

Frankly it's this very type of reporting that got us into this mess. Instead of stating the facts about the budgets, deficits, hiring and Davis' and the Legislature's incompetence, we get this. Tidbits from blatherland...
9 posted on 07/25/2003 7:46:27 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: NormsRevenge
Off topic question....I heard menton on the tube yesterday about an editorial calling for Rep Stark's resignation?..is this correct...waas it perchance posted here?
10 posted on 07/25/2003 7:49:02 AM PDT by ken5050 (ann coulter NEEDS to have kids ASAP....her gene pool has to be passed on.....any volunteers?)
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To: DoughtyOne
Re#9 The facts are omitted and distorted by design. Hence my tagline. Oh, to have an honest Fourth Estate....
11 posted on 07/25/2003 8:04:58 AM PDT by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
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To: eureka!
Agreed.
12 posted on 07/25/2003 8:10:33 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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Nobody's taking my office away. Waaaaa...

13 posted on 07/25/2003 8:11:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Absolutely spot on.
14 posted on 07/25/2003 8:13:59 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: LS
"...and history shows that Germans and Poles retained their native tongue far longer than most Hispanic immigrants. So the recall people would be smart to get on this."

I dispute this. While it may be true that older immigrants may not have learned English to any real extent, the younger generations -- without fail -- became fluent in English quite quickly. On the other hand, there is a great number of hispanic immigrants who not only have not learned English, but refuse to do so, and that transcends generations. Moreover, virtually every immigrant to America embraced America and became Americans. For some peculiar reason, the only group that refuses to do this to any real extent is the hispanics, especially those from Mexico, whose allegiance is staunchly to Mexico and not to the U.S.
15 posted on 07/25/2003 8:23:17 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: NormsRevenge
Republicans don't have a separate Spanish-speaking representative because they understand this is still one country and the language of that country is still English. Democrats, of course, hate this idea.

If the Hispanics want to be fully involved in the political process then they can learn English...just like MY ancestors had to do when THEY arrived here.
16 posted on 07/25/2003 8:38:56 AM PDT by Steely Glint ("Political language...is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable..." - G. Orwell)
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To: DoughtyOne
This actually IS a pretty good column, if read in full.

But if you only read the first few paragraphs, it's pretty bad, and many people read only the first few paragraphs.

I normally like Jill Stewart, and think she does a good service as someone straddling both sides. It means a wide range of people can focus on her ideas, not her prejudices.

And it WOULD be a good idea for the recall to have a spokesperson for the Hispanic media.

I just wish her interpretation of this wasn't so hostle. After all, the Recall people are about as far as you can get from the California GOP.

D
17 posted on 07/25/2003 8:39:32 AM PDT by daviddennis
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To: NormsRevenge
Did anyone see Caddel on Matthews when this all began? He said Dems weren't taking this seriously enough and it would come back to haunt them. He said Davis was, I'm paraphrasing, a rotten governor, and the recall would happen.

They laughed at him - wonder if Matthews will have him return?
18 posted on 07/25/2003 8:59:34 AM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: daviddennis
Agreed. It was a good article. Read it in CalNews. before logging on to FR.

Mega Dittos on the Hispanic media. Getting the Latino vote would be the Dems worst nightmare, esp. in CA.
19 posted on 07/25/2003 9:01:54 AM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: NormsRevenge; eureka!; 1Old Pro; LS; Search4Truth; ken5050; wita; Steely Glint; daviddennis; ...
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20 posted on 07/25/2003 9:28:36 AM PDT by Computer Central (Visit FR's "Computer Central"-(Revised!) - http://www.freerepublic.com/~computercentral/)
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To: LS
I saw on another thread that Rush says that Condelezza Rice is resigning, maybe she's going to run.
21 posted on 07/25/2003 9:33:08 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Computer Central
Thanks for the resource. And welcome to FR.

I am a 25-year retired computer professional. I am at your service.
22 posted on 07/25/2003 9:52:00 AM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: Eva
You may or may not be surprised to hear this from a black conservative who likes to think of himself as a staunch moderate but I don't want her for the same reason that I don't want Davis...I saw her performance when questioned about the justification for the war and she passed the buck. I don't care who gets in office as long is it someone who is able to honestly say that the problems in California have been caused by both parties because they all took money from special interest groups to sell us out to the energy concerns...
We need someone who is going to do what is necessary to fix the problem instead of redefine it for political gain...

What Davis and all the other enlightened persons forget at times is that they work for us...It is their job to make our lives (not their own) better.

My favorite line from the movie "The American President".

"I have been trying so hard to keep my job that I forgot to do my job!!!"
23 posted on 07/25/2003 9:54:28 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: NormsRevenge
It is a very valid point that Republicans need to be more inclusive but it also needs to be said that Democrats tend to take groups for granted....Minorities are so important during a campaign because if energized and voter turnout is high in that group, the Democrats have an advantage....The only thing that I can say is that Democrats have good intentions going in...With Republicans, the only thing I can say is that I know where I stand...For some reason, that means more to me...
24 posted on 07/25/2003 9:59:56 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Search4Truth
Kalifornians will jut replace one poltical whore with another. Their problems are far from over. For they are still Liberal Kalifornians at heart. (Present company excluded).

Actually it's mostly the great unwashed "undecideds" who make the difference in CA. (when I say undecideds I don't mean registered independents alone, many people who are registered as Democrats don't know what they believe) For many complex reasons they have been jumping on with the Dems, but rememeber, less than 10 years ago Reps swept the state and won control of the Assembly.

While the Dems have been nominating the far left who have benefitted from the unwashed middle voting down the Dem ticket, polls of the California electorate continue to show that it is not a hard-core liberal base. As recently as 2000 California passed the protection of marriage initiative by 62% and that included the San Francisco and LA areas in the mix. Some parts of the state were over 80% even though the measure was roundly criticized as homophobic, hateful, intolerant and right wing.

There are a number of complex reasons why the electorate has been going for the Dems. For one, Pete Wilson was a big part of the destruction of the GOP in California.

It has been a great week for the GOP here. The Dems are in free-fall. The Republicans in the Senate just 15/40 finally won on the budget. Its not a pretty budget but there wil be NO TAX INCREASES.

There are no easy answers but if we do things right for the next year you could see a turn around as we begin to look like we stand for something and appeal more to the folks who don't know what they think.

25 posted on 07/25/2003 10:17:08 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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Missed these earlier.

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26 posted on 07/25/2003 10:20:11 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Davis and then recall the rest of the Demon Rats!!!)
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To: 1Old Pro
What is "not good" about this report?
27 posted on 07/25/2003 10:25:15 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Davis and then recall the rest of the Demon Rats!!!)
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To: ElkGroveDan
As a person who resides here, I can tell you that though the state is very liberal in many ways, the far left and the far right have usually enjoyed a peaceful coexistence and exchange of ideas and political capital that has resulted in a moderate society.

The problem the Democrats are having right now is very simple...They voted with the Republicans on Energy Deregulation and have no political cover for the energy crisis...In other words, they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar...

What I like about California is that within the same state, you can living in a very conservative (Orange) or very liberal (San Francisco) community. There is a place for everybody. Living in Orange County, I live very much knowing that this is a primarily conservative community. I know that there are lines that are not crossed here and it is actually very comforting. If it goes too far to the right, I can leave and not have to go far to find what I am looking for...If it starts to get a little too "enlightened", I can move ten miles Northwest and find what I want...
28 posted on 07/25/2003 10:28:33 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: daviddennis
It sounds to me like she is coming to same conclusion that the General Public did about impeachment... "Shame on all of you"
29 posted on 07/25/2003 10:33:08 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: ElkGroveDan
A conservative commentator stated this morning that Davis is a master of convincing the electorate that he is the lesser of two evils....The problem right now may be no one wants things to get worse and therefore, we have to put people in office who are going to fix things or take visible steps to make them better...
30 posted on 07/25/2003 10:37:30 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: NormsRevenge
That comment about not having a Spanish speaking spokesperson really shook me.

It was totally unprofessional of the GOP not to have covered that one.
31 posted on 07/25/2003 10:50:24 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (California! See how low WE can go!)
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To: Carry_Okie
In the article: "Gilliard hesitated. Clearly, it hadn't crossed anyone's mind to have a Spanish speaker. This tells you how the California GOP still thinks: It's still as white as snow, and as out of it as a comatose patient in intensive care.

"Uh, our Spanish-speaking representative is (Assemblyman) Bob Pacheco," Gilliard said. "You can call him."

At least Gilliard looked uncomfortable. That's social progress among California Republicans."

He answered her question. I don't know how she interpreted this as not having a Spanish-speaking representative. Maybe he personally just had to think a moment to remember the guys name.
32 posted on 07/25/2003 11:00:06 AM PDT by swany
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To: swany
Representative, not a spokesman immediately on hand.
33 posted on 07/25/2003 11:13:04 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: NormsRevenge
OK. Here is the staunch moderate about to get in big trouble....I agree that it shows great respect and consideration to have someone available to interview and provide information in Spanish. I was thinking back to my time overseas however and I seem to remember that the people who interviewed and were broadcasting in another language also have the option of doing the interview and then having a certified or professional translator available. I would not ever go up say "Where's the brother from the hood that's gonna tighten me up with the lowdown and the nasty 411?" I think that what also may be involved here is that Spanish Broadcast Stations do not want to deal with the delay if no Spanish Speaking official is available. It might not be a bad idea to have one of these translators that I have seen in the courtrooms and have them available as a contigency...

Be part of the solution...Not part of the problem.

Adios, amigos...
Auf Wiedersehen, meine freunde...
Later, my brother....
Ciao, ragazzi!!!
34 posted on 07/25/2003 11:41:23 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: DoughtyOne
ROFL!!
35 posted on 07/25/2003 11:53:12 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Free! Read my historical romance novels online at http://Writing.Com/authors/vdavisson)
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To: NormsRevenge
This tells you how the California GOP still thinks: It's still as white as snow, and as out of it as a comatose patient in intensive care.

This statement tells me more about how the writer thinks than how the California GOP thinks.

36 posted on 07/25/2003 12:00:10 PM PDT by TankerKC (If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil come from?)
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To: BlessedByLiberty
He said Dems weren't taking this seriously enough and it would come back to haunt them.

I mocked and ridiculed the first few recall posts that I saw on FR. I didn’t take it seriously, thinking that is was the fancy of wackos. I don’t think most folks foresaw the success of this recall.

My apologies to the folks I laugh at!

37 posted on 07/25/2003 12:19:26 PM PDT by TankerKC (If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil come from?)
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To: DoughtyOne
LOL... me bad!





38 posted on 07/25/2003 12:31:05 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...&&&&&&&&&...SuPPort FRee Republic.....www.DRAFTTOM.com..... NEVER FORGET)
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To: ken5050
I hadn't seen an editorial saying in those exact words.. but close. There were a couple papers that took good shots at him. The SF Chronicle was one , I think. I get mailer crap from Stark and Honda. Zoe Lofgren dwells in this neck of the woods as well.
39 posted on 07/25/2003 12:33:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...&&&&&&&&&...SuPPort FRee Republic.....www.DRAFTTOM.com..... NEVER FORGET)
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To: NormsRevenge
Can't tell you how many times I've scanned an article thinking I've got the right idea, from the title and what I picked up, only to find out I don't agree at all after someone else calls me on it. Have a good one.
40 posted on 07/25/2003 1:09:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Carry_Okie
I read the article again. I see your point.
41 posted on 07/25/2003 1:46:09 PM PDT by swany
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To: DoughtyOne
Jill has written a few good articles on happenings here, but after closer perusal, I agree, this is not one of them.

I must admit also, I post a lot of stuff without reading the whole item thru.

I also have gotten into the habit lately of just reading folks posts or replies to articles on threads and not the articles themselves. There is quite a lot of content to wade thru on this forum these days. This place is become hugh! C'Ya ;-)

42 posted on 07/25/2003 1:46:47 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...&&&&&&&&&...SuPPort FRee Republic.....www.DRAFTTOM.com..... NEVER FORGET)
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To: NormsRevenge
Thank. Yes, it is hugh.
43 posted on 07/25/2003 1:49:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: NormsRevenge
This is a pretty fair article for the Chronicle. I notice they have had some semi conservative authors in lately writing columns. In fact Lee Rogers interviewed one on KSFO the other day. I cannot remember his name but he has been hired to write a weekly column which will definately be from the right. The Chronicles token conservative, Debra Sanders, is all over the place and sometimes veers to the left.
44 posted on 07/25/2003 4:35:04 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Uncle Hal
Adam Sparks? He posts his columns here sometimes.

Adam is the ONLY conservative on that paper. It's not "veering left". And Jill Stewart shows her bias in this article (very left leaning).
45 posted on 07/26/2003 9:34:56 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Eva
Rush has really been off on a couple of things these days, and perhaps isn't paying attention. This story surfaced more than a MONTH ago, largely due to the notion that Rice was setting herself up to run as CA governor or senator (but this was before the recall). I think what Bedard was reporting was "leftovers" from this old story.
46 posted on 07/26/2003 3:41:08 PM PDT by LS
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To: ought-six
And I dispute your dispute. The evidence is available in Michael Barone's book. In fact, Hispanics "learn the language" faster than almost any older ethnic group coming in. Do you realize that there were more GERMAN LANGUAGE DAILY NEWSPAPERS in America in 1913 than there are Spanish-language papers today? That alone should tell you all you need to know about how quickly they "assimilated."
47 posted on 07/26/2003 3:44:18 PM PDT by LS
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To: NormsRevenge
CA: Why Davis is really in trouble

He's a corrupt, arrogant fool. That's not enough?

48 posted on 07/26/2003 3:55:34 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Their job is to implement my vision. That is their job.--Gray Davis on the state legislature)
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To: NormsRevenge
Chris Lehane....what a little slimey POS. Davis deserves a two-bit punk runt like Chris lehane.
49 posted on 07/26/2003 4:00:07 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: NormsRevenge
Gilliard hesitated. Clearly, it hadn't crossed anyone's mind to have a Spanish speaker. This tells you how the California GOP still thinks: It's still as white as snow,...

We ARE an English speaking nation, it's a tradition, it's useful to know, and there has never been a problem communicating in English in this country...until now! Why? Are there people not willing to conform? Just reape? An agenda to change our language? Or just lazy and not willing to work to learn the language of the land? Oh, sorry for my rant for now I see...It's because of how the GOP thinks! It's their fault! /sarcasm

50 posted on 07/26/2003 4:07:37 PM PDT by EGPWS
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