Make Americans safer by repealing victimless crime laws

www.lp.org/lpnews ^ | 7.25.03 | Bill Winter

[Mikey]

"Yes, but Marijuana is a gateway drug."

That's like saying beer is a gateway drink and leads one to whiskey.

Better yet, beer leads one to wine, then whiskey, then to marijuana. So alcohol must be banned.

Instead of the War On Drugs, make it the War On Drinking or the WOA (War On Alcohol), or WOB (War On Booze).

[Atlas Sneezed]

Here's a glaring omission from the article:

Repeal all gun laws.

Except for those relating to the few hypothetical convicted felons who are safe enough to release into society and dangerous enough not to be trusted with a legal gun (and scrupulous enough not to get one illegally).

Let people and companies manufacture, sell, possess and use guns of any type they wish, any place they wish, in any manner they wish, subect to the right of property owners to restrict on their own property (you won't be allowed to carry a Lorcin or Jennings junk gun on my property!).

10 years in jail makes no sense for engaging in a simple business activity manufacturing tools for law-abiding willing buyers.

[Atlas Sneezed]

"The worst thing about many of these laws is that they could take absolutely model citizens and both taint them as criminals and sour them on legitimate law enforcement."

Like silly speed limits correlated with widespread non-compliance, and the rise of "donut" jokes.

[tdadams]

We see almost a constant reduction of liberty in this country today in ways big and small. The main reason for that is because legislators write laws proscribing certain behaviors for everyone based on the speculation that the most irresponsible people in society would suffer ruinous consequences.

But when the great majority of us can handle these liberties responsibly, it feels just a bit patronizing to have the government treat us like children that need a parent's protection.

[waterstraat]

Cops only have so much time, and they cant do 2 things at the same time.

When cops stop, search millions in order to arrest 750,000 marijuanna smokers, take them to jail, and then appear at their trials, you have 750,000 murderers and rapists who were not arrested.

The police in america spend very very little time going after violent criminals, which is one reason why we have so many of them.

We also give very light prison time to convicted violent criminals(96 months for the average murder, 49 months for the average manslaughter, 73 months for rape, 48 months for robbery, 33 months for assault.

The fact that we have lots of violent crime should not surprise anyone. If our police spent their time on robbers and rapists instead of speeders and drug offendors, and if we gave lots of prison time to violent offendors, our crime rate would at least be cut in half in less than a year.

[jmc813]

Repeal all gun laws.

The authoritarians cringe at that idea too.

[StriperSniper]

You're an 'anti WOD'.

Anti WOD! Anti WOD! It's a victimless crime!

[Joe Miner]

What are WOD types?

Assuming you are serious, WOD stands for War On Drugs.

WOD types are people that think WOD is a good thing.

They can easily be spotted by the foam around their mouth.

[freepatriot32]

even when the cops do get the violent criminials they practice catch and release on them murder conviction stuns college(paroled triple murderer becomes professor)

[Henrietta]

""Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken....There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, Ch. III, "White Blackmail"

[Courier]

I didn't know what the abbreviation stood for or that there are these "types" here that make it an issue.

As someone who has never taken an illegal drug, I want to go on record that I am against the war on Drugs.

I am against the War of non- seat belt wearers.

I am against the War on consensual sex between adults.

I am for the Government leaving people alone when they are not harming others.

What is often true when fighting these "crimes" is that not only does the Government need intrude into areas that should be private (peeking into a car to see whether a seat belt is being used or peeking into adult bedrooms) but frequently the Government itself furthers the commission of the "crime" by entrapment stings (decoy prostitution, decoy drug pushers).

[chudogg]

Not only that, when drug offenders and other non vioelent criminals are sentenced to an over crowded prison, somebody else has to come out the back door. That could be a rapist, murderer, or some other thug.

I guy i used to work with was in the halfway house after spending 2 1/2 years in prison for merely possesion of dimebag! He was out of state and the judge made an example out of him. He cellmate was in for murder, he was about 5'2 skinny white guy, i cant imagine the horrors he went through in there.

[freepatriot32]

As someone who has never taken an illegal drug, I want to go on record that I am against the war on Drugs.

I am against the War of non- seat belt wearers.

I am against the War on consensual sex between adults.

I am for the Government leaving people alone when they are not harming others Are you a Libertarian?

Take the World's Smallest Political Quiz and find out!

[Courier]

Scored as Centrist.

[A CA Guy]

Hey everyone, it's another invitation to anarchy by Libertarians/libertarians.

Vice for life, brought to you by the Libertarian Party.

[jmc813]

...And this thrrad wouldn't be complete without a visit from Mr. "Safety is more important than Liberty".

[freepatriot32]

read post 35 for one of those "types" that make it an issue
actually this might be a record it took 35 posts before one of the authoritarians came out and posted they usually jump on board after post 4 or 5

[freepatriot32]

go ahead and click the link in my post 33 and take the test i just bet you score as a Authoritarian

[MarkL]

And only 24.9% of robbery investigations ended with the apprehension of the potential criminal.

They solve that many? A friend of mine's house was just recently robbed in OKC. The police got there, looked around, made a note of what a mess the house was (it was ransacked!) and left. Oh, and they ran a warrant check ON HER!

I guess they needed to get back to doing something important...

Mark

[MarkL]

Oops! I didn't go far enough!

If someone breaks into your house, there's only a 12.7% chance that the burglar will face charges.

Less than 13%... That sounds about right, given the investigation the Del City PD conducted.

Mark