Skip to comments.Hendel Asks What About Pollard?
Posted on 07/27/2003 10:46:18 AM PDT by Nachum
IsraelNN.com) Deputy Minister (National Union) Tzvi Hendel today asked once again that the issue of the release of PA prisoners be linked to America's release of Jonathan Pollard.
Hendel added "the impertinence cries to the heavens", explaining that while we continue to release terrorists, Jonathan Pollard remains in a US prison.
Other requests made to the prime minister to link prisoner releases to the release of Pollard and Israeli citizen Azzam Azzam [who is imprisoned in Egypt] have been rejected by Prime Minister Sharon.
The Israelis should stop pushing his case.
What a slur. America is Israel's stalwart friend, and this is your gratitude - - a smear against the United States?
The US is not releasing them, Israel is. If Israel does not want to release them, they don't have to be released.
If the US wants Jews to die
If you think that, you have serious problems.
Some in the US want that, but the Bush Administration is a friend of both Jews and Israel.
A lot of people at FR would disagree with you.
I still can't believe that the Iraelis didn't buy a pardon for Pollard from Willie like Rich did. Negotiations must have been ongoing. Willie could have had several million placed in a secret account (and, it would have been US government money) almost anywhere the Israelis have secret accounts and no one would have know the truth (like all those other Willie crimes). Just don't understand why the deal didn't get done.
This is the kind of despicable anti-Americanism I'd expect from Leftists ("the US wants blacks to die;" "the US wants Native Americans to die"). This kind of reckless, hateful rhetoric bespeaks a paranoid hatred of the US - even if it's coming from a freeper. By the way, where are Jews more safe - in the US or in Israel? I'd say they've never been better off, in all of history, than in the United States - - - - so this writer should show a little common sense, a little patriotism, and a lot less nutty paranoia about the US endangering Jews.
Israel has been caught in a bloody battle for its entire existence. For various reasons (not the least among them, IMHO, is that the Arabs are afraid of Bush) we are now at this roadmap, which is designed to finally bring peace to Israel.
It may, or it may not. Certinaly, the Arabs have a history of going back on any peace deal. However, my question to you is this:
What do you want? You obviosly don't want the roadmap to work. Do you want nothing? I.E., do you want the status quo of Israel occupying the lands where Palestinians live and Palestinians bloeing up Israeli buses forever? Do you want to kill all the palestinians? Do you want to force them into Egypt and/or Syria? I am not accusing you of such. But all I see here is people carping about Bush and the roadmap, without anyone stating what he/she wants.
To show my hand, i'll tell you what I want (despite the fact that I have yet to get an answer to my above question).
I want Israel to pull out of the Palestinian occupied territories. What those territories are is debateable, but I would have the Isrealis making small concessions on the more recent settlements. Then, I would recognize a palestinian state, putting up a large fence on the border. Then, I would announce to the world that Isreal no longer holds any palestinian territory. I would announce that any attack upon Israelis by Palestinians is thus an act of war by Palestine upon Israel, and after a few happend I would bomb the shit out of the mofo's. That's what I want, and what I would do. Please tell me, since you hate the roadmap, what it is that you want, and what you would do.
Pollard as a US Citizen betrayed US secrets to his paymasters in Israel! Similar to a previous blackmark, USS Liberty, this incident in US-Israeli relations, reflects very different perspectives and desires. Israel, besieged and surrounded by enemies, will sacrifice everything for survival, a concept elucidated by the motto, "No more Masadas!" The United States, superpower for half-century, winner of the Cold War, explicit defender of Israel, sees equally explicit flouting of friendship and trust.
2 countries with different perspectives, different needs. Israel wants Pollard freed, the offense forgiven, saying it was just "one of those things" and the necessities of survival. The US says that honor was violated, that promises were broken and that the rewards of treason should not be a cheering parade in Israel.
The real problem with this is that the Arabs have openly stated and as evidenced by all their action for as long as we can we care to recall, that they will never accept the Jews as an organized presence in their midst. The primary reason for secular Israelis putting settlements on the Judean hills were not ideological, but defensive in nature. Religious Jews were only too happy to mover there, but the secular leadership of Israel did so for a purely practical reason, the Arabs in successive wars used them as points of attack and to lob missiles.
I believe that whatever peace is brokered, it will only be used as a new launch pad for the next war. There will be a rearming of the PA, using what ever weapons Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia can buy. You are dealing with people who are very nearly brainwashed in the true sense of the word. From the time they were old enough to hold a bottle, they were inculcated with the words "Itbar Al Yahid" (death to the Jews). In the same way that America is in Iraq, taking control, this is the only way that the threat of war with these people will be averted.
There are only two choices in my opinion, total annexation of all of the territories along with a total dismantling of the Arab school system and outlawing of state sponsored hate or- more death. If this road map is pushed through, the next phase of this conflict will be far more bloody IMHO. The Arabs will only plan on the destruction of the fence in the next open military conflict against Israel. This deal is in my view a form of capitulation for which Isreal and other western democracies will pay dearly.
Personally, I very much question the wisdom of releasing these terrorists at all. Why should they be released? Maybe the Palestinians should grow up and realize that when "Palestine" was partitioned after the Israelis won their revolution against the Brits, Israel was set aside for the Jewish homeland and Jordan (the remainder) was set aside as the "Palestinian" homeland. Maybe, if the Marxist-Leninist and anti-Semitic and anti-American trash that are the "Palestinian" leadership would have refrained from printing maps for their schoolchildren which show Israel on the maps, maybe if they did not keep their own people in concentration camps under the lie that the Jews have dispossessed them, maybe if they did not turn up the steam of anti-Semitism among the concentration camp residents to excuse every miserable failing of their own t care for their own people, there would be no homicide bombing campaigns. But NOOOOOOOO!
Then, the "Palestinians'" allies attack Israel on two occasions, get their backsides handed to them militarily by the Israeli military, and cause Israel to take the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. This too is regarded as an outrage by the Leninist looney tunes in "Palestine" who dare imagine that the only justice is driving the Jews into the sea en masse so their failed attempts to do so cannot count and they simply must get "their" land back. All of this is not news. This is history. The last "moderate" Palestinian leader was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in 1929 who issued a statement welcoming Jews back into the Holy Land BEFORE the Holocaust. Of course, he was promptly assassinated by the lunatics for his moderation.
As to Nachum, he and I are acquainted only over the internet. He is a fine fellow and a good American who is apparently a bit angry that American policy (which seems to have no connection to American interests in this case) is trying to force the release from Israeli prisons those in the neighborhood who are the equivalent against Israelis of the 9/11 club, with the sole difference that they are trying to slaughter Israel on the sneaky installment plan.
To tell the truth is not to smear America or to slur her. If those prisoners are released, then Israelis will die as a result. Israel ought to say an unconditional no to the release. If Israel is willing to say yes, then releasing Pollard to them is no big deal. Whatever Pollard did, he is not likely to be in a position to do again. These criminals in the Israeli jails are VERY likely to kill again.
Finally, if Israel had a death penalty, we would not be discussing many of the prisoners in question.
I'm not debating the policy choices; they're open to debate and you may be right. What I can't let go unanswered is the writer's claim that "the US wants Jews killed." The administration's policy may be misguided -- I'm not taking a position here -- but to attribute it to a desire of the US that "Jews should be killed" is crap -- and, as I wrote earlier, reminds me of nothing so much as hate-America Leftists who say similar things about Newt Gingrich wanting poor people to die, or Lott wanting blacks to be lynched -- just because they disagree with certain policies. This kind of rhetoric is more than over the top, it's hateful, and shows a basic hatred of America.
I don't think so. I think it indicates a level of frustration with terrorist attacks. I was shopping today and imagined what would happen to American culture and attitudes if homocide bombers started targeting food stores. Consider what Israel has endured and be sensitive to the loss of life. Would Americans show the same restraint in similar circumstances ? We are seeing some of this now in Iraq and my sense of frustration grows with each casualty. Don't think for a minute President Bush doesn't care about the loss of innocent life. He cares.
I know. They are frustrated and want to influence the Bush Administration to keep it honest. Rep. Delay and former Speaker Gingrich do to. It is a complex problem.
You are not helping your cause