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Some brands of cigarettes ' more addictive'
Telegraph ^ | 27/07/2003

Posted on 07/27/2003 12:15:45 PM PDT by yonif

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1 posted on 07/27/2003 12:15:45 PM PDT by yonif
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To: yonif
WOW!!! And to think I didn't know that I was "free basing" when I smoke cigarettes.
2 posted on 07/27/2003 12:18:29 PM PDT by vikingcelt
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To: yonif
My personal experience has always caused me to believe Marlboro was the most addictive cigarette on the market.

The several times I've done the cold turkey with 'em........had me doubled over from the cravings.

Oh well, it's not like I didn't know cigarettes were addictive when I started......

3 posted on 07/27/2003 12:22:04 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: yonif
They varied greatly, ranging from one per cent or two per cent to 36 per cent for a speciality US brand called American Spirit.

Interesting. American Spirit claims its cigarettes are additive free. They even have a super-specialty variety that contains only organically grown tobacco.

4 posted on 07/27/2003 12:24:59 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Mariner
Oh well, it's not like I didn't know cigarettes were addictive when I started......

You realize you just gave up a milion bucks by stating that, don't you.

I for one am one of the apparently unique individuals who has one cigarette per most evenings after dinner. I used that to give up my Beech Nut chewing tobacco habit.

The greatest cigarettes in the world, by the way, are Silk Cuts. I'll be bringing a few cartons back to Oklahoma when I return from Switzlerand on friday.

I like Dunhill menthols, too.

5 posted on 07/27/2003 12:28:31 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: yonif; Just another Joe
They varied greatly, ranging from one per cent or two per cent to 36 per cent for a speciality US brand called American Spirit.

That is interesting. For the last ten years (3rd decade of smoking) I have rolled my own from American Spirit. It is all additive free. 100% tobacco. I smoke less than when I smoked Marlboro (1st ten years) and Camel Filters (2nd ten years).

When I switched to rolling my own I used Velvet, not AS. I had a couple of packs of Camel Filters left at the time. For the first week or so I found myself smoking cigarette after cigarette of Velvet until I was nearly green from nicotine poisoning and still not feeling "satisified". I would then light up a Camel Filter and get "satisfaction" with the first puff. I had to wean myself off of the chemo-smokes.

6 posted on 07/27/2003 12:31:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Joe McCarthy was right ... so was PT Barnum!)
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7 posted on 07/27/2003 12:34:02 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: yonif
On behalf of the many smokers who can't speak for themselves because those mecahnical voices boxes don't always work, these is just another case of bad science.
8 posted on 07/27/2003 12:38:58 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: Rodney King
Silk Cuts are my absolute favorite in the whole world..I can never find them in the US.
9 posted on 07/27/2003 12:52:00 PM PDT by Grenada
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To: Tacis
mmmfftpg hjyiffiger smup.

FMCDH

10 posted on 07/27/2003 12:55:34 PM PDT by nothingnew (the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
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To: Mariner
My personal experience has always caused me to believe Marlboro was the most addictive cigarette on the market.

Me too. I switched brands when I found out about all the additives they were putting in there (saltpeter?!?!?!). I switched to Winston because of their 100% tobacco,"No Bull" marketing thing. From the artcle, I see that they are fairly high on the freebase factor! Maybe I need to go to camels.

I smoke lights and ultra-lights, with a mind to get the chemical addiction as low as possible before I drop 'em again. Last time, "anger management" was a big problem.

Not inhaling the first three or four puffs on any cig might be another good addiction minimizing trick, based on what the article said.

11 posted on 07/27/2003 1:08:10 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: Rodney King
You realize you just gave up a milion bucks by stating that, don't you.

No. The new legal precedent is that even though you knew they were addictive and harmful to your health when you started, you can still sue.

12 posted on 07/27/2003 1:10:43 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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13 posted on 07/27/2003 1:12:25 PM PDT by paix
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To: yonif
Menthol cigarettes are also more addictive than regular. For a menthol smoker, it's easier to quit by switching to non-menthol cigarettes first, and then weaning oneself off of those.

Following the incremental quitting strategy, another good method is switching from store-bought cigarettes to rolling your own. Tobacco shops sell good quality, reasonably priced additive free tobacco, along with rolling papers in bulk that are much cheaper than the pot smoker's rolling papers that you can buy at convenience stores. They also have rolling machines that only cost two or three bucks.

14 posted on 07/27/2003 1:13:19 PM PDT by squidly
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To: squidly
I'm a big fan of Zyban. I've been quit 2 months, after smoking 1+ pack of Marlboro a day for 25 years. Did the Zyban for 60 days starting 8 days before I quit.

15 posted on 07/27/2003 1:21:54 PM PDT by cryptical
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To: Yeti
I switched brands when I found out about all the additives they were putting in there (saltpeter?!?!?!).

I don't smoke, but I have to hear more about this. Marlboros have WHAT in them? (Thanks in advance.)

16 posted on 07/27/2003 1:23:53 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Yeti
I switched to Winston because of their 100% tobacco,"No Bull" marketing thing. From the artcle, I see that they are fairly high on the freebase factor! Maybe I need to go to camels.

Since the freebase factor only concerns nicotine it becomes a choice between high doses of nicotine and chemical additives. I will freely admit I am and have been addicted to tobacco since I started smoking. I have no plans to quit. Do I need to worry about how addictive the brand of tobacco I'm smoking is?

17 posted on 07/27/2003 1:29:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Joe McCarthy was right ... so was PT Barnum!)
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To: Rodney King
Indeed. Dunhill makes a fine smoke.
18 posted on 07/27/2003 1:40:44 PM PDT by Threepwood
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To: yonif
Like I've been saying for the past 25 years, I can quit anytime I want!

-Jay

P.S. -- Remember when we were little kids and our mothers used to nag and nag and nag at us and our dads used to order us around? The one thing we had to look forward to was when we'd grow up and would then be free of nagging and being ordered about. ...so WHAT THE HELL is up with the State nagging me and trying to order me around these days? They ain't my freakin' parents!
19 posted on 07/27/2003 1:41:01 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Leftists are like any other lower life form...they devour their own when it suits their purpose.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Lots or cigarettes have saltpeter in them. It keeps them burning. Pure tobacco won't stay lit. Among a few hundred other additives used in cigarettes (not all additives in all cig's) are acetone and benzene. Benzene can be found listed on cans of enamel lacquer paints. The kind that make you feel like Forrest Gump for a few days if you use them in a closed space without a respirator.
20 posted on 07/27/2003 1:41:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Joe McCarthy was right ... so was PT Barnum!)
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To: cryptical
Congratulations! :-D

I smoked Marlboro 100's for almost 20 years, & finally quit in early January using the nicotine patch. I stretched the 14 patches contained in the box to 21 days, & that was it. It was terribly difficult, but I think the worst is over & it's all downhill from here. I am atill using the stopsmokingcenter.net to check my daily progress & keep myself motivated. I gotta admit tho, that I really do miss smoking, I feel like my best friend has left me.....but I know the positives of quitting far outweigh my enjoyment of smoking cigarettes.
21 posted on 07/27/2003 2:00:50 PM PDT by huggadawg
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To: TigersEye
Interesting. Thanks! (I feel like Forrest Gump sometimes without any of that stuff.)
22 posted on 07/27/2003 2:01:08 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Rodney King
Viceroy Lights, mah man.
23 posted on 07/27/2003 2:05:35 PM PDT by annyokie (Admin Moderator has got it in for me.)
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To: deadhead
Switch, don't fight.
24 posted on 07/27/2003 2:05:50 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: yonif
Duh. How much money funded this gem of research?
25 posted on 07/27/2003 2:14:01 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: huggadawg
I quit over twenty years ago. The last craving I had was six years ago. Where you are now is a rough place. Pretty soon (since you are so recently quit) you will notice the cravings will fade in about six minutes if you tough it out. Later the cravings become less regular in interval and some of them can last for a long time. There was one I remember that lasted 45 minutes that would have got me if there had been a cig in the house. After a year I smoked about 18 cigs in one day, and it was as if I had never quit, except it was easy to stop. No tobacco since then except a piece of a Cuban cigar at my niece's wedding.

Good luck with your project, it is worth the effort.

26 posted on 07/27/2003 2:21:56 PM PDT by Iris7
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Marlboros have WHAT in them?

Actually, that one might be a myth ; ) The reason for the saltpeter was supposedly to make them burn smoother or something. But they do add things, for flavor and to make it burn well and not go stale before it gets sold.

Before viagra, much of the business that "fertility clinics" did had to do with male impotence problems. There were studies done, and IIRC, upwards of 70% of the men were heavy cigarette smokers, and Marlboros were disproportionately represented among the smokers as a preferred brand.

There are other things that contribute. Carbon monoxide, which I think has a long half-life in your body and displaces some of what should be oxygen in your blood, and the vasoconstricive action of nicotine are both things that wouldn't help, and they're common to all brands.

But the Marlboro-impotence thing was I think the inspiration for the controversial California anti-tobacco ad campaign in which the Marlboro Man's cigarette droops.

27 posted on 07/27/2003 2:22:26 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: squidly
I think menthol cigarettes are more irritating to the bronchial passages, and the smoker seeks soothing relief by smoking another (menthol) cigarette.
28 posted on 07/27/2003 2:29:45 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Yeti
Damn. What woman would ever have imagined a Marlboro Man with a droopy cigarette?

This is almost like the day I found out the Easter Bunny wasn't real.
29 posted on 07/27/2003 2:30:36 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: TigersEye
I have no plans to quit. Do I need to worry about how addictive the brand of tobacco I'm smoking is?

Guess not.

Well, a case could be made that you would be better off, because long international flghts might get on your nerves less if your brand was less addictive -- things like that. But basically why worry?

I, on the other hand, intend to quit and it bothers me that it is difficult to do that.

30 posted on 07/27/2003 2:33:26 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
What woman would ever have imagined a Marlboro Man with a droopy cigarette? This is almost like the day I found out the Easter Bunny wasn't real.

Well, don't feel bad ... I think that is one of those studies that sounds worse than it is. Just because most of the guys at the impotence clinic were smokers, doesn't necessarily mean that most smokers are impotent.

But I would say that if a smoker has that problem, the first thing he should try is cutting back on the cigarettes.

31 posted on 07/27/2003 2:42:13 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: jwalsh07
"The popular Marlboro brand contained up to 9.6 per cent freebase nicotine"

To think I have been freebasing all these years, oh my.

I am going to start smoking Quest, maybe it will help?


32 posted on 07/27/2003 2:42:33 PM PDT by deadhead (God Bless Our Troops and Veterans)
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To: TigersEye
don't forget there is also arsenic and ammonia in cigarettes. I am SOOOOOO glad I never took up that habit.
33 posted on 07/27/2003 2:53:27 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Scenic Sounds
The Easter Bunny isn't real? Really? Scenic told me that he was real. I can't believe it!
34 posted on 07/27/2003 2:55:06 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Why don't you think I'm a neocon?)
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To: Yeti
It isn't as difficult as you think.There is some psychological reason at the root of why you smoke, and if you can figure out exactly what the hold a smoking has on you, you can quit, cold turkey.It maybe because someone you know and admire smokes and to quit would mean damaging such a relationship.It could also be boredom :)Good luck!
35 posted on 07/27/2003 2:59:06 PM PDT by habs4ever
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Yeah. Drag, huh? Two big disappointments for me, both in the same week!
36 posted on 07/27/2003 3:01:23 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: yonif
They varied greatly, ranging from one per cent or two per cent to 36 per cent for a speciality US brand called American Spirit.
 
That line proves to me that this study/article is a load of crap.
 
Please excuse my language.

37 posted on 07/27/2003 3:11:45 PM PDT by AnnaZ (unspunwithannaz.blogspot.com... "It is UNSPUN and it is Unspun, but it is not unspun." -- unspun)
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To: huggadawg
Congratulations right back...

I'm pretty motivated, having had a heart attack Apr 17th.

I don't have huge cravings, just passing thoughts from time to time, more situational/habitual than a real desire.
38 posted on 07/27/2003 3:11:59 PM PDT by cryptical
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To: cryptical
Congrats. I took Nicorette when it first came out, worked like a champ for me, my wife and two car-pool friends. Best thing I ever did.
39 posted on 07/27/2003 4:15:51 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: habs4ever
I intend to break that habit 4ever ; )

I recognize that there are many psychological factors involved, and I think that part of the reason cigarettes are so difficult is the combination of the chemical addiction and the nail-biting-like habitual behavior.

[...leaning back on couch...]

Of course, there's the compulsive aspect from the fact that I used to steal them from my mother and father. And in school, all the cool kids smoked, including the cool chicks. And then as a young adult, all the times I didn't have enough money for cigarettes, then when I got paid -- WOW that cigarette was great.

[...stretch ... thoughtful pause ...]

Y'know Marlboro was my brand for close to 20 years ... I was always secretly enamoured of the "Marlboro Country" ads. Wide open spaces. The Rockies. Freedom. Like a dream of a far-away freedom that couldn't ever be real for me, but I could stare at some of those ads and just daydream. Cowboys. It wasn't that I wanted to be a cowboy, just that I wanted to be where they were in those pictures.

When I was 7 or 8, I remember we had about 100 posters of different paintings, some deal my parents got or something, and they were all rolled up together. I went through them to pick some for my room. I gravitated to big landscapes and cowboy scenes. I remember one of my favorites was a night-time cowboy campfire scene. The cool thing about it was the lighting. All midnight blue with the glow of the campfire in the middle, and one of the prominent things in the scene was one of the cowboys lighting his cigarette. The light from it lit up his face and hand in a warm, magical glow.

Around that same time, my father had a study in the basement level of our split-level. There were two small windows high up in the room. As he sat in his recliner, reading and puffing absent-mindedly on his pipe, rays of daylight would stream into the room from the windows, creating columns of illumination through which rich swirls of smoke would drift slowly, languidly. The puffs and swirls seemed to exist only while touched by the twin streams of light through the narrow windows. If we were quiet, and didn't disturb his reading, we were allowed to sit on the floor and watch, while jazz played quietly on the stereo.

He eventually quit, but my sister and I still smoke. And both of us have tried to quit. Interestingly, my younger brother smoked and quit. Both my dad and him began their smoking in college. My sister and I started(in earnest) when we were fourteen. I have observed this pattern in others as well -- that those who start earlier seem to struggle, while those who start later tend to be more able to take-or-leave them. I think during adolescence your brain chemistry is more adaptable, and that you can develop a stronger dependence on the substance if you smoke through adolescence than if you smoke the same amount time as an adult.

I know that I can let them go, but it does seem to be an ordeal.

40 posted on 07/27/2003 5:20:35 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
(I feel like Forrest Gump sometimes without any of that stuff.)

LOL, me too. Sometimes the "senior moments" seem to start at sunrise and go 'til sunset.

41 posted on 07/27/2003 8:04:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Joe McCarthy was right ... so was PT Barnum!)
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To: Yeti
Before viagra, much of the business that "fertility clinics" did had to do with male impotence problems. There were studies done, and IIRC, upwards of 70% of the men were heavy cigarette smokers, ...

I better not quit smoking then or I will have to live my life in pain and embarrassment.
(not that it's not already painful and embarrassing to be me) ;^)

42 posted on 07/27/2003 8:11:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Joe McCarthy was right ... so was PT Barnum!)
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To: Rodney King
You sir have great taste!

I agree that Silk Cuts are the finest cigarette in the world. I just wish they were easier to get ahold of!


43 posted on 07/27/2003 8:19:25 PM PDT by Hazzardgate (RIP Bender)
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To: TigersEye
LOL (I'm too young for "senior moments" - I sure hope it doesn't get worse from here!)
44 posted on 07/27/2003 8:20:54 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Rodney King
You realize you just gave up a million bucks by stating that, don't you.

At least a billion, if he lives in California.

45 posted on 07/27/2003 8:24:55 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: huggadawg
I gotta admit tho, that I really do miss smoking, I feel like my best friend has left me.....

Maybe it will help to think of smoking as your best friend that you discovered has been banging your girlfriends on the sly since you first met.

46 posted on 07/27/2003 8:30:54 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: yonif
Off with their filters!
47 posted on 07/27/2003 8:37:20 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: vikingcelt
Me either. I feel like a real cosmo polo ton hip chick.
48 posted on 07/27/2003 8:38:40 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: L.N. Smithee
I've been smoking Pall Malls for 55 years now, can't stand filtered cigarettes!

About 10 years ago I quit for 7 months strictly for bugetary purposes by just laying the half empty pack down on the coffee table and when they fit the budget again I picked up the pack and resumed my pack and a half a day.

I have no desire to quit!
49 posted on 07/27/2003 8:39:46 PM PDT by dalereed (,)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
The Easter Bunny isn't real? Really? Scenic told me that he was real. I can't believe it!

You just listen to Scenic, Cathryn. You must not pay any attention to what others tell you. The Easter Bunny is very real. You can count on it! ;-)

50 posted on 07/27/2003 9:38:03 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Summertime!)
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