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'Roman cosmetics' found at ancient dig
Reuters ^ | Monday, July 28, 2003

Posted on 07/28/2003 7:50:10 AM PDT by presidio9

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:52 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Archaeologists excavating the site of a major Roman temple in London have found a sealed box containing a white cream still bearing the fingermarks of the person who last used it, nearly 2,000 years ago.

"This is of major significance," said Museum of London curator Francis Grew on Monday.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ancienthistory; archaeology; artifacts; economic; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; italy; london; romanempire; rome

1 posted on 07/28/2003 7:50:10 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Smelling 'cheesy' Museum conservator Liz Barham who opened the fist-sized cylindrical tin box for the first time on Monday, in front of the world's media, described the smell from the half-full container as "sulphurous" and "cheesy."

Gotta be Helen Thomas' make-up kit.

2 posted on 07/28/2003 7:55:38 AM PDT by rabidralph (Hooray, for Training Camp!)
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To: rabidralph
Gotta be Helen Thomas' make-up kit.

Thanks for inserting "I wonder what she looks like without her makeup" into my head.

3 posted on 07/28/2003 7:57:29 AM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: presidio9
My bet's on a white lead concoction used as a facial cosmetic. That would survive indefinitely - lead carbonate and lead hydroxide are basically stable and would last more or less forever if sealed up. Should be easily determined by analysis.

Otherwise, just the Ancient Roman equivalent of "Oil of Olay". The ancient literature (especially Ovid and Martial and other social satirists) is full of accounts of the various cosmetics used by women, including lots of face creams and "unguents." And I'll bet after a couple thousand years a jar of ANY oil or fat would smell a bit funky . . .

4 posted on 07/28/2003 8:01:18 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: presidio9
Londinium Bump
5 posted on 07/28/2003 8:06:40 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: presidio9
Too bad they are covering it up with a shopping complex.
6 posted on 07/28/2003 8:08:00 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: presidio9
Really interesting. Thanks for the post.
7 posted on 07/28/2003 8:11:06 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

8 posted on 07/28/2003 8:14:36 AM PDT by mhking
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To: presidio9
Mary Kay just died a few years ago... maybe she's older than we thought.
9 posted on 07/28/2003 8:16:24 AM PDT by bedolido (please let my post be on an even number... small even/odd phobia here)
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To: mhking
Dude! I had no idea the volume of strange stuff was that high!

Please remove me from the list. It's a great list, but I have to be right on top of "My Comments" in order to keep up, and I haven't been FReeping enough of late to keep the list clear......

10 posted on 07/28/2003 8:24:55 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: presidio9
...could be face cream or even face paint, he told reporters.

Or an early version of Preparation H.

11 posted on 07/28/2003 8:36:37 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: mhking
Nice to see MAC, one of the best cosmetic lines out there.
12 posted on 07/28/2003 8:42:42 AM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: najida
Nice to see MAC, one of the best cosmetic lines out there.

My cousin works for them in Dayton...

13 posted on 07/28/2003 8:43:26 AM PDT by mhking
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To: msdrby
Roman ping
14 posted on 07/28/2003 9:13:51 AM PDT by Prof Engineer (I won't FReep at work, I won't FReep at work, I won't FReep at work, I won't FReep at work)
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To: blam
PING
15 posted on 07/28/2003 9:17:16 AM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: presidio9
Tammy Faye Bakker has inquired into the availability of the cosmetics for her collection.
16 posted on 07/28/2003 9:18:52 AM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: rabidralph; presidio9
Helen of Thomas: The face that launched a thousand quips.
17 posted on 07/28/2003 9:24:51 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: presidio9
smell from the half-full container as "sulphurous" and "cheesy."

Sounds like this may be the original culture for old crusty.

18 posted on 07/28/2003 9:29:01 AM PDT by Slicksadick
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To: presidio9
Thanks for inserting "I wonder what she looks like without her makeup" into my head.

My pleasure. Be sure to work the sentence into a conversation before the day is out.

19 posted on 07/28/2003 9:44:09 AM PDT by rabidralph (Hooray, for Training Camp!)
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To: CathyRyan
Thanks for the ping.
20 posted on 07/28/2003 1:25:12 PM PDT by blam
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Perfectly preserved ... A tiny Roman pot found on the south bank of the Thames
river and its contents are displayed during a press conference in London. The
contents, a white cream still bearing the finger marks of the last owner, are guessed
to have a function ranging from a face cream and toothpaste to something smeared
on goats before they were slaughtered. Photo: AFP

21 posted on 07/29/2003 7:18:35 AM PDT by dead
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To: dead
Thanks. In this photo it's clear that it's not a screw top.

Other thread here.

22 posted on 07/29/2003 8:05:48 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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23 posted on 07/20/2004 10:43:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: AnAmericanMother
To produce this cup requires the use of precision punches and dies, especially to hold the fit against the upset ring that serves as a stop seal.

While a similar handworked version would require many hours of labor and could probably be accomplished, the obvious similarity of this photo cup and a much more modern one produced since the machine age is undeniable.

Are we being had here?

24 posted on 07/20/2004 11:06:58 AM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: presidio9

NEWSUPDATE

IN the same location as the Roman Cosmetics find, a engraving bearing an uncanny resemblence to Joan Collins using cosmetic products was discovered......

DEVELOPING


25 posted on 07/20/2004 11:09:43 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Old Professer
I don't think we're being had just on the basis of precision engineering.

The Romans used tool & die sets remarkably similar to ours to produce a lot of "precision" items. Chariot hubs, mass-produced items like braziers and torchieres - surgical instruments are another item that look modern - except they're in bronze instead of steel.

On the other thread, I posted a number of similar unguent jars that appear to be "precision engineered". This alone doesn't convince me we're being had.

But it would NOT be the first time that much later artifacts have contaminated earlier strata - usually through the sinking of a well or other shaft and the dumping of miscellaneous trash once the well is abandoned.

Metallurgy should give us the answer. Artifacts can be dated pretty closely by the composition of the metal.

26 posted on 07/20/2004 2:53:03 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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27 posted on 07/30/2005 7:41:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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