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Telemarketing Industry Sues Over Do-Not-Call List
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Posted on 07/28/2003 12:36:04 PM PDT by chance33_98

Telemarketing Industry Sues Over Do-Not-Call List

POSTED: 1:52 p.m. EDT July 28, 2003

WASHINGTON -- The telemarketing industry is widening its legal challenge to the government's national do-not-call list.

The industry is suing a second federal agency over the call-blocking service, which telemarketers say will ruin their business and put up to 2 million people out of work.

An industry group had sued the Federal Trade Commission in January to try to stop the list. Now it's asking a federal court to reject new rules set by the Federal Communications Commission.

The FCC added its authority to the list to close regulatory loopholes and block calls from certain industries -- including airlines, banks and telephone companies.

The head of the American Teleservices Association calls the government agencies' actions "regulatory overkill."

Beginning in September, telemarketers will have to check the list every three months to see who doesn't want to be called. Firms could be fined up to $11,000 per violation.

The toll-free number to call to join the Do Not Call list is (888) 382-1222.

To register online, visit DoNotCall.gov


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KEYWORDS: donotcall; lawsuit; telemarketing
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1 posted on 07/28/2003 12:36:04 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
The telemarketers really want to irritate us don't they?

I signed up the first day and am signed up to our State "Do Not Call List" as well. If an "Unavailable" comes on my phone, it does not get answered! We have a button that when pushed tells the caller we don't take that kind of call.

If I want to buy something, I will contact them -- I don't need any telemarketer contacting me!
2 posted on 07/28/2003 12:39:13 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: chance33_98
So some nameless corporations don't want to recognize my right to free association? Too bad for them!
3 posted on 07/28/2003 12:39:33 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: chance33_98
I suppose the next thing they'll be doing is suing me for refusing to answer my phone when they call. Since when does someone have the right to intrude on my privacy so they can hawk their aluminum siding, cheesy magazine subscriptions, and carpet cleaning services? (Hint, people: I do not do business with people who disturb my dinner.)
4 posted on 07/28/2003 12:40:32 PM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: chance33_98
Interesting that the government has not also created a national "do not junk mail" list. Don't suppose that it is because the government post office makes money on each and every piece of junk mail.
5 posted on 07/28/2003 12:40:53 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: chance33_98
Perhaps the American Teleservices Association needs a class-action suit against it's "advertising overkill" practices.
6 posted on 07/28/2003 12:41:56 PM PDT by spoiler2
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To: PhiKapMom
Same here. I have never in my life bought anything over the phone, and stopped charitable contributions over the phone years ago and I still get calls. I don't like the calls but I do a kick out of being rude to the callers. Guess it's my old age grouchiness coming out.
7 posted on 07/28/2003 12:42:24 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Onelifetogive
They are going to try to regulate the spam email in the internet as a way to get their foot in the door to then say they need to tax the internet to support the regulatory efforts.

-PJ

8 posted on 07/28/2003 12:43:31 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
The industry is suing a second federal agency over the call-blocking service, which telemarketers say will ruin their business

Ruin their business? Works for me.

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

9 posted on 07/28/2003 12:43:42 PM PDT by mhking
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To: chance33_98
Here we have an expansion of ethics to cover a situation created by new tech. Is it proper to assail people with offers while they are going to work or mowing the lawn? In the same way, the capability to copy commercial intellectual property such as books and music recordings has been affected by new tech and ethics is being expanded to cover this as well. New tech does not imply freedom from moral judgement.
10 posted on 07/28/2003 12:44:18 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: chance33_98
Makes perfect sense! Unfortunately.
11 posted on 07/28/2003 12:45:28 PM PDT by bedolido (please let my post be on an even number... small even/odd phobia here)
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To: PhiKapMom
Caller ID and a well-positioned speaker blasting out some heavy metal seems to work for me.
12 posted on 07/28/2003 12:47:24 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Onelifetogive
Interesting that the government has not also created a national "do not junk mail" list. Don't suppose that it is because the government post office makes money on each and every piece of junk mail.

Good point, who do I call to get such a list started? Maybe ELF could sign onto that to save the trees?
13 posted on 07/28/2003 12:48:13 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Onelifetogive
Also because you don't pay to receive junk mail.
14 posted on 07/28/2003 12:48:33 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: chance33_98
I don't answer the phone. Anyone that really knows me or needs to talk to me will leave a message. Telemarketers never do.
15 posted on 07/28/2003 12:49:46 PM PDT by Lost Highway
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To: chance33_98
The industry is suing a second federal agency over the call-blocking service, which telemarketers say will ruin their business and put up to 2 million people out of work.

My heart bleeds, particularly for the poor prison trustees who are contracted to make all of those tele-sales.

16 posted on 07/28/2003 12:49:59 PM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: chance33_98

It works wonders...

17 posted on 07/28/2003 12:51:33 PM PDT by mhking
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To: chance33_98
I can't beleive that the products and services being pitched by telemarketers make any money for anyone other than the companies doing the calling. How many cemetery lots, window replacements or credit cards do you sell by making cold calls to people at random? I would be shocked if even 1% of the calls made actually resulted in a sale.
18 posted on 07/28/2003 12:51:43 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Onelifetogive
"Interesting that the government has not also created a national "do not junk mail" list. Don't suppose that it is because the government post office makes money on each and every piece of junk mail."

 

Big difference here.
Your phone is a service you pay for. So telemarketers are in a way stealing from you when they use your service at your expense.
Mail is a service they pay for.

19 posted on 07/28/2003 12:52:01 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: chance33_98
Last week I received a call from a carpet cleaning service. At the end of the message, a female voice said "if you want to be REMOVED from the do not call list, enter your phone number now." It seems as though some telemarketers are hoping that you will misinterpret this message and inadvertantly remove your number from the list. BE CAREFUL!
20 posted on 07/28/2003 12:52:48 PM PDT by orchid (Defeat is worse than death, you have to LIVE with defeat.)
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To: chance33_98
bump for later
21 posted on 07/28/2003 12:54:21 PM PDT by lowbridge (You are the audience. I am the author. I outrank you! -Franz Liebkind, The Producers)
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To: Lost Highway
They're starting to. Right now I think there's only one company that calls Tucson that has their system setup to leave messages, doubtless it will spread.
22 posted on 07/28/2003 12:54:36 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: Lost Highway
Actually, they ARE leaving messages now. I get 4 or 5 a week from "___, checking back about ______", or some other inane "sorry I missed you" spiel.

I have gotten so sick of them disturbing my peace, waking the baby, etc.
23 posted on 07/28/2003 12:55:04 PM PDT by AbnSarge
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To: ladtx
I do a kick out of being rude to the callers.

I like it too, but sometimes I’m too quick on the insults and hanging up.

My brother’s alarm company had to call me back and tell me that they didn’t want to bite me, as I previously suggested. They wanted to let me know that his alarm was going off and the police had been sent to check it out.

I also got a call back from the guy who was supposed to deliver a futon I had purchased, and just needed to set up a time. It’s not my fault he mumbled.

24 posted on 07/28/2003 12:56:35 PM PDT by dead
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To: chance33_98
Massachusetts DNC list started July 1. It is just heaven--90% reduction in the calls we're getting. No way this law is being overturned.
25 posted on 07/28/2003 12:56:38 PM PDT by Nubbytwanger
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To: AbnSarge
The trial lawyers suing on behalf of the telemarketers - could it get any more annoying?
26 posted on 07/28/2003 12:56:40 PM PDT by AbnSarge
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To: AbnSarge
The trial lawyers suing on behalf of the telemarketers - could it get any more annoying?
27 posted on 07/28/2003 12:56:43 PM PDT by AbnSarge
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To: chance33_98
So the phones have stopped ringing and the inbox is filling up with all the junk mail.........

Frankly, I'd rather have the calls and have the satisfaction of hanging up........this email stuff is driving me crazy.

28 posted on 07/28/2003 12:57:02 PM PDT by OldFriend ((Dems inhabit a parallel universe))
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To: chance33_98
put up to 2 million people out of work.

Mostly in Bombay, Calcutta and New Delhi.

29 posted on 07/28/2003 12:57:23 PM PDT by Alouette (Every politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: Onelifetogive
"Interesting that the government has not also created a national "do not junk mail" list. Don't suppose that it is because the government post office makes money on each and every piece of junk mail."

I beleive that the distinction here is that my mail box is actually a government site (in spite of the fact that this box will be paid for by me, it's design and placement are per government decree). My phone and phone service is a convenience for which I pay. I own my phone and I own my car...most people understand that they have no right to use my car unless I so state.

30 posted on 07/28/2003 12:59:26 PM PDT by gorush
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To: chance33_98
"The industry is suing a second federal agency over the call-blocking service, which telemarketers say will ruin their business and put up to 2 million people out of work."

Organized crime sues federal government over RICO statute, claiming it will ruin their business and put millions of lawbreakers out of work.

31 posted on 07/28/2003 1:00:37 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: chance33_98
Good to hear and, though I feel sorry for any folks losing jobs, I'm glad the annoying businesses are going under.

I joined the Pennsylvania Do-Not-Call list last year and it has been wonderful :-)
32 posted on 07/28/2003 1:01:24 PM PDT by Tamzee (Peace is the prerogative of the victorious, not the vanquished.... Churchill)
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To: Cultural Jihad
"So some nameless corporations don't want to recognize my right to free association? Too bad for them!"

Right. When a bonded door-to-door salesmen walks a neighborhood, he is absolutely forbidden to knock if a "no soliciting" sign is posted. The Do Not Call List is exactly the same as a "no soliciting" sign.

33 posted on 07/28/2003 1:03:37 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: dead
a futon?
34 posted on 07/28/2003 1:03:47 PM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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And so everyone on this thread so far thinks that the state and federal government making laws against telemarketers is just fine and dandy.

I don't.

But, then I never answer my telephone or doorbell just because someone rings, even before answering machines or caller ID.

I just manage my life as I see fit, therefore I am not a victim of those terrible people who call on my listed phone number.

Conservatives have become crybabies who want to give more power to the government, it seems. Did it ever occur to yall that as soon as state and federal government get control of unwanted and nuicance calls for you victims, they will soon start taxing this service?

35 posted on 07/28/2003 1:05:56 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: dead
Sometimes I like to let them ramble on, wasting a lot of time, I don't interrupt or get rude I just keep saying OK, uh-huh, etc. then when they finish their spiel I just hang up.
36 posted on 07/28/2003 1:06:35 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: chance33_98
I wish they could come up with a "no peace jerk at my event" list.
37 posted on 07/28/2003 1:06:45 PM PDT by armymarinemom
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To: chance33_98
Maybe the Supreme Court can find a penumbra in the Constitution that guarantees their Constitutional right to menace.

I believe in capital punishment for the crimes of rape, murder and telemarketing.

38 posted on 07/28/2003 1:11:39 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (http://righteverytime.blogspot.com - home to Tall_Texan's new column.)
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To: mhking
We've got Sprin't Privacy ID too, if an "unavailable" or "out of area" number calls, they are redirected to an automated service that makes them say their name, before I get the ring.

I love it - and if friends or family have a cell phone and need to talk to me, I have a PIN they can use to bypass the whole thing.

Best thing since popcorn if you ask me

39 posted on 07/28/2003 1:11:59 PM PDT by PurVirgo (I was humble once, but I just had to tell someone about it)
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To: chance33_98
As I have said before on other threads on this before, these jerks have done it to themselves.

They dial numbers at random, without reverse directory usage to see addresses and annoy you needlessly.

When I lived in an apartment, my address ended in #205. If they bothered to check, I am in the book, they would have seen that there wasn't a point to ask me about buying siding, gardening service, roofing, refinancing, etc.

They were lazy. It was easier to just call people at random, then to target their advertising.

It would be like somebody barraging Nascar fans with french cheese commercials, and Al Sharpton campaign ads. It costs alot of money to put a commercial on tv, so the companies that do so, put the ad where their target audience is going to be watching. Telemarketing on the other hand, works through the principle of bombardment. Pay somebody minimum wage, and 1 out of 100 people won't be irate, and they will buy our crap.

40 posted on 07/28/2003 1:14:38 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Conservababe
What a stupid comment. There are times, unfortunately, when I must answer the phone. When it turns out to be some bozo "telemarketing" it just infuriates me. Many times I'm able to let the machine pick it up--but there are others when I really have to answer the phone. The telemarketers live for those times, I swear.

On the other hand, as I said before, if they think they'll sell something to me, they're sadly mistaken. No one likes to buy something from someone who's a nuisance. I would think they'd welcome the no call list, since it saves them lots of time (and probably money) calling people who do not want to be annoyed by such calls.

41 posted on 07/28/2003 1:16:41 PM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: GSWarrior
I used to give them Rush Limbaugh -- in 2000, I made a recording of Vote Bush-Cheney!

I think I may try to the heavy metal route -- that's a great idea!
42 posted on 07/28/2003 1:18:37 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: Skooz
It's for the wife's parents to sleep on when they visit.
43 posted on 07/28/2003 1:21:03 PM PDT by dead
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To: Conservababe
A - there were already laws in place so you could put yourself on one company's do not call list. The problem was you had to go company by company. Because the phone IS private property these laws are perfectly reasonable. All the DNC list does is centralize the processing
B - They already tax the phone system, pay more attention to your bill
C - Given that the telemarketing companies will have to pay for the list and violation are fined $11 grand per incident this thing should pay for itself very nicely
D - What in the hell good is a phone you don't answer? Do yourself a favor and get rid of it, it'll save you money and keep you from blowing your highly undeserved horn here
44 posted on 07/28/2003 1:25:24 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: MizSterious
I suppose the next thing they'll be doing is suing me for refusing to answer my phone when they call. Since when does someone have the right to intrude on my privacy so they can hawk their aluminum siding, cheesy magazine subscriptions, and carpet cleaning services? (Hint, people: I do not do business with people who disturb my dinner.)

I vaguely remember reading somewhere in an article about this sort of thing, that some ad industry people want the "Mute" button banned from televisions!

45 posted on 07/28/2003 1:28:02 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: chance33_98
The industry is suing a second federal agency over the call-blocking service, which telemarketers say will ruin their business and put up to 2 million people out of work.

Funny, most telemarketing calls I get these days are from a wardialer playing a pre-recorded message. I'm not going to shed a tear at putting a wardialer and a .wav file out of a job.

46 posted on 07/28/2003 1:29:05 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: gorush
"most people understand that they have no right to use my car unless I so state."

I'll bet you're as tired as I am of removing those annoying ad sheets from the windshield. What right do these people have to do this?

47 posted on 07/28/2003 1:30:13 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: gorush
I own my car.

LOL...Then take the catalytic converters off YOUR car!

48 posted on 07/28/2003 1:33:11 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: MizSterious
What a stupid comment. There are times, unfortunately, when I must answer the phone.

See post #39. That is business making your life more ordered and convenient, not government.

But, of course, you want it free...from your government.

I am sorry, but I just have to laugh.

49 posted on 07/28/2003 1:33:48 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Bonaparte
Just a few semi random thoughts.

What if you have an automatic recording that preceeds an answer that basically says: "You have reached a solicitor free phone number. All solicitors or polsters that do not hang up now will be billed at a rate of $60 per hour."?

Can someone establish a specific tone as a no solicitor sign for the phone? If you have to buy or manufacture one for you house, it is only "fair" to have to buy one for your phone number.

If the postal box belongs to the government, what if you only pull out the letters that you are willing to claim as your own? Can we simply leave the rest in the box or mark them "return to sender"? Do we have a legal responsibility to accept and receive mail sent to our name and address?
50 posted on 07/28/2003 1:36:27 PM PDT by Geritol
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