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Texas Democrats Bolt Again
Houston Chronicle ^ | July 28, 2003 | Clay Robison

Posted on 07/28/2003 1:21:03 PM PDT by wkcoop

July 28, 2003, 3:08PM

Texas Democrats bolt again By CLAY ROBISON Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle

AUSTIN -- An unknown number of Democratic state senators abruptly left the state Capitol this afternoon after learning that Gov. Rick Perry planned to immediately call a second special session on congressional redistricting.

One Democratic senator who asked not to be named, told the Chronicle in a phone interview that senators were apparently on their way out of town.

"I have no idea where we're going. I just know in a little bit we will be out of pocket," the senator said.

He would not say how many senators had left but called it an "adequate" number to break a quorum and keep the Senate from conducting business.

The Senate requires two-thirds, or 21 senators, to be present to conduct business, meaning the absence of 11 senators could break a quorum. There are 12 Democrats in the Senate.

The senator said the action was precipitated by Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst's decision to bypass a traditional Senate rule that requires a two-thirds vote to debate any bill.

That rule, which has been in effect during the current special session, has so far blocked redistricting in the Senate.

The senator said the Democrats fled because they feared Perry would immediately call a second special session and Dewhurst would lock down the Senate chambers and prevent members from leaving.

The first session was to end by midnight Tuesday, but the Senate adjourned at 2:30 p.m. and the House was expected to adjourn minutes later.

Dewhurst earlier had told reporters Perry was expected to call a second special session minutes after both houses adjourned.

Of the 12 Democratic senators, the only one to show up for a 2 p.m. session today was Ken Armbrister of Victoria.

In May, more than 50 representatives hid out for several days to block action on congressional redistricting, forcing the governor to call a special session.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: awol; democrats; quorum; redistricting; texas
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To: El Gato
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Says my Senator Ms Van De Puke has flown to Albequerque, but that the whereabouts of the others is unknown.

Sen. Leticia Van de Putte, chairwoman of the Senate Democratic Caucus, was flying to Albuquerque, N.M., aides said. It was unclear if other Senate Democrats were also leaving the state and if that city was their common destination.

51 posted on 07/28/2003 2:32:10 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Not yet(if that is even really possible)

Oh, I agree. It is possible under the law, but it is a decidedly nuclear option.
52 posted on 07/28/2003 2:34:03 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: shamusotoole
Texans!!! Check your State Constitution!!! There is an emergency clause that permits less than the prescribed quorum to enact legislation. If member insurrection or defection is not an emergency, I don't know what is. These are not kinder, gentler pols. These are traitorous subverters of the legal process.

Get fooled twice, and the "fies" of Texas (and the rest of the country) be upon you. Lead, darn it! Don't follow!

Well said bump.

53 posted on 07/28/2003 2:36:26 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Prof Engineer
As long as they keep saying " I vote democreep because my daddy voted democreep, and my grand-daddy voted democreep..."

I go through this with my family. They are all pretty conservative, but they vote dim because everyone in the last three generations of my family did. It drives me absolutely insane.
54 posted on 07/28/2003 2:37:37 PM PDT by gsrinok
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To: wkcoop
Here's my solution. Gov Perry announces he was going to call a special session, but heard that the RATs were leaving the state. To save tax payers the money he will hold off on calling the special session, until enough of them return to establish a quorum. Perry should then state that he is willing to wait however long it takes, one week, one month or even one year. Many of the RATs will have jobs and businesses that will keep them from staying out of the state for more than a month or two. When they return have law enforcement escort them to the Capitol. Time is on our side. The RATs will lose in the end and at substantial personal as well as political loss.
55 posted on 07/28/2003 2:39:06 PM PDT by Pres Raygun
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To: Redbob
Sen. Armbrister needs to be rewarded for his courage

He was my little league coach years ago. Good man in my recollection.
56 posted on 07/28/2003 2:39:09 PM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: Xenalyte
Xena, Rodney Ellis has a wonderful office in the Wells Fargo Bank Building in Missouri City. How about a FReep? How about a full blown protest? Call your buddy E. Thode.
57 posted on 07/28/2003 2:40:48 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: wkcoop
Why can't these turkeys be impeached or fired for abdicating their responsibilities? They were elected to do a job. By not performing, they should be fired at the very least, impeached at the most. Where's the governor and attorney general in all of this cowardice, sitting on their fingers and leaning back on their thumbs?
58 posted on 07/28/2003 2:44:26 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: wkcoop
"I (full name), being fully aware of the consequences of exceeding the authority of my office and being a Texas citizen holding allegiance to no other nation, do solemnly affirm that I will adhere to the Texas constitution in its entirety, and will perform the functions of the office of (name of office) to the best of my abilities."
- Oath of Office from the Texas Constitution
59 posted on 07/28/2003 2:44:59 PM PDT by MattGarrett
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To: wkcoop

60 posted on 07/28/2003 2:49:59 PM PDT by shadowman99
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To: wkcoop
It is simply amazing how powerless our Republicans really are. If we don't use our emergency provision then we are so guttless.
61 posted on 07/28/2003 2:50:23 PM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method. - Gen. Hugh Shelton)
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To: ravingnutter
WE have so much political cover. If we can have some kind of debate then it makes their point moot. They will just be seen as ineffective and stupid. There will be nothing the press can do to us. either way we win. I say make the bill so lop sided that they really loose big.
62 posted on 07/28/2003 2:55:01 PM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method. - Gen. Hugh Shelton)
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To: wkcoop
I WISH THESE PEOPLE WOULD GROW UP.
63 posted on 07/28/2003 2:59:08 PM PDT by MozartLover
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To: anymouse
Bump to add NM to list of topics.
65 posted on 07/28/2003 3:04:57 PM PDT by CedarDave (The Dems look for a shadow on the brightest day, call it the dark of night and blame George W. Bush)
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To: lilylangtree
they should be fired at the very least, impeached at the most.

Impeachement would only be preparatory to firing. It's the beginning of the process of firing them. They have you need to have a trial in the Senate. It's not going to happen. There is a little thing called an election coming up in a bit over a year. That's when the nut cutting should occur, or some alternative pithy expression for the females, such as Ms. Van de Puke.

66 posted on 07/28/2003 3:05:01 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Dog Gone; Torie; Flyer; lonestar; Coop; MeeknMing
And the race is on...... If eleven fled then all one is all that's needed to be found and brought back assuming all 19 Repubs are in place.....
67 posted on 07/28/2003 3:09:16 PM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: mattdono
Time for the Texas voters to make it very clear to these
bums, "If you can't stay in Austin and play by the rules...
we WILL replace you!"
68 posted on 07/28/2003 3:09:18 PM PDT by Winfield
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To: wkcoop
Make em pay big time......
On TV..on radio.. in print... on the floor...
make em pay so this will NOT become standard procedure..
OR ELSE.......it will...
69 posted on 07/28/2003 3:13:31 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: wkcoop
THE DEMS HAVE SHUT DOWN DEMOCRACY!! THEY HAVE KILLED DEMOCRACY! THIS SHOULD BE A CALL TO ARMS!

THE USSR IN THE COLD WAR COULD NOT HAVE SHUT DOWN DEMOCRACY SO EFFECTIVELY!

I do not expect the Republican party to give this appropriate level of publicity and outrage it deserves. The Republicans are the cowards if they do not take this to the limit. This is WAR!

70 posted on 07/28/2003 3:14:38 PM PDT by Mark Felton ("All liberty flows from the barrel of a gun")
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To: wkcoop
In the famous words of Eddie Childs, "You bet I'm mad!"
71 posted on 07/28/2003 3:14:39 PM PDT by msdrby (Go Navy!)
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To: Dane
On another thread, Matamoras, MX was mentioned.
72 posted on 07/28/2003 3:18:39 PM PDT by mathluv
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To: shadowman99
I love that game! Very addicting.
73 posted on 07/28/2003 3:19:14 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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To: shamusotoole
Texans!!! Check your State Constitution!!! There is an emergency clause that permits less than the prescribed quorum to enact legislation. If member insurrection or defection is not an emergency, I don't know what is. These are not kinder, gentler pols. These are traitorous subverters of the legal process.

And while we are at it, find replacements for those who deemed NOT to show up.

74 posted on 07/28/2003 3:20:04 PM PDT by msdrby (Go Navy!)
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To: wkcoop
Lord love a duck, the dem legislators in Texas are acting like third world lawmakers.
75 posted on 07/28/2003 3:29:02 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: deport
Supposedly, RATliff (RINO) may not support it.
76 posted on 07/28/2003 3:39:00 PM PDT by mathluv
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To: wkcoop
You think I'd be mad but hardly anything those stinking rats do makes me angry anymore.

They will stop at NOTHING to get there way, neither should we.
77 posted on 07/28/2003 3:41:50 PM PDT by Impy (Don't you fall into the trap, democrats are full of crap.)
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To: wkcoop
The senator said the action was precipitated by Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst's decision to bypass a traditional Senate rule that requires a two-thirds vote to debate any bill.

Hmmm.... Would bypassing it in 1991 ( a democrat) be a "break" in tradition? My memory tells me that W's democrat buddy did just that. I could be wrong about the year.

78 posted on 07/28/2003 3:42:57 PM PDT by sayfer bullets
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To: deport
Sheesh ! 'RAT History repeats itself, again.

ROUND 'EM UP !!!

See also:

07-28-2003
Session ends as 11 Democrats slip out
(Dem's Flee state again!)


‘Democrats über alles’ = ‘Democrats over everything’

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/924411/posts?page=17#17


79 posted on 07/28/2003 3:43:28 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Coming Soon !: Freeper site on Comcast. Found the URL. Gotta fix it now.)
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To: yall
Here is a list of recent articles on Redistricting:

FR Search: Keyword "Redistricting"

07-28-2003
Session ends as 11 Democrats slip out
(Dem's Flee state again!)


07-26-2003
GOP effort to redraw districts is crushed
[Texas redistricting]


07-24-2003
Democrats may be free to flee - constitutionally protected, says lawyer


07-24-2003
As new Texas redistricting map offered,
Dewhurst says compromise is in the air


07-23-2003
Committee passes redistricting bill (Texas)


07-23-2003
Texas Republican Senators Forge Ahead on Congressional Redistricting Plans


07-19-2003
[Texas] Senators talk of boycotting any redistricting session

Mr. Dewhurst said he would be on solid ground in working around the Senate tradition requiring a two-thirds vote to take up a bill. The late Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock, a Democrat, did the same thing in a 1992 special session on legislative redistricting, Mr. Dewhurst said.

07-18-2003
New map, same pain for Dems
(Texas Redistricting fun)


07-17-2003
New map surfacing in Texas Senate


07-16-2003
Dewhurst at crossroads on redistricting in Texas Senate


07-15-2003
Ratliff joins Democrats to oppose redistricting

The state Republican Party was quick to point out that the [2/3rd’s] rule has been abandoned on occasion – such as when the Senate took up a state senatorial redistricting plan in 1992.

07-09-2003
DROP IT -- Redistricting would benefit few Texans, harm many
(Editorial)


07-08-2003
Senators have problems with House redistricting map - Texas redistricting


07-08-2003
House passes remap
Veteran Democrats may lose seats if bill goes through Senate


Above article is worthy of showing that a picture indeed is worth a thousand words:
First the Chicken D’s run away to Ardmore, Oklahoma. That didn’t work, so here they are,
still having a fit during the Redistricting debate:


As King began his argument for the new congressional boundaries Monday afternoon, about 30 Democrats in the gallery donned white socks as hand puppets to mock King. Every time he spoke, the little white mouths flapped.

07-07-2003
TEXAS REDISTRICTING--Vote TONIGHT!


07-07-2003
Race rhetoric stokes Texas redistricting fire


07-07-2003
Tension may soar as map debate hits House floor - Texas redistricting


07-06-2003
House panel quickly passes Republican redistricting plan -
map likely to unseat six Democrats


07-04-2003
New GOP map restores (Rep. Martin Frost's) district


07-03-2003
Republicans pull proposed map - redistricting


07-03-2003
Chamber of Commerce and GI Forum Hire Temps to Testify


07-02-2003
The Great Texas Power Grab - redistricting


07-01-2003
Tx Democrats Trying Fight, Not Flight, Over Districts
(The-Terrific-Texan-Special-Session)


80 posted on 07/28/2003 3:44:14 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Coming Soon !: Freeper site on Comcast. Found the URL. Gotta fix it now.)
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To: mathluv
Supposedly, RATliff (RINO) may not support it.


He may not support the redistricting bill but I don't think he'll run.... I believe I read earlier that he indicated he be there for quorum calls,


81 posted on 07/28/2003 3:51:36 PM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: CedarDave
Please add a link to this thread on the NM locale page.

Whatevery you NM FReepers can do to legally harrass (FReep) the TX Chicken D's, your Texas FReeper brothers and sisters will be abligued.
82 posted on 07/28/2003 3:53:46 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse
ABQ Journal has the story up, too. BTW, here is a related story from Saturday's Journal regarding a redistricting effort by the Dims in NM. Notice that several of them are against it, saying their fellow party members should just work harder to get elected:

Saturday, July 26, 2003

State May Follow Texas' Lead in Redistricting
By Loie Fecteau Journal Politics Writer
    SANTA FE — Democratic legislative leaders might reopen congressional redistricting in New Mexico — to benefit Democrats — if Texas persists in redrawing its political boundaries to help Republicans.
    "We very well could come in and look at those congressional seats again," said House Speaker Ben Lujan, D-Santa Fe. "We are entitled to do that."
    Lujan noted in an interview this week that Colorado lawmakers recently redrew that state's court-drawn congressional boundaries to aid Republicans and that Texas is trying to do the same.
    A state district judge decided New Mexico's congressional boundaries, using the 2000 Census, after the Democratic-controlled Legislature and former Gov. Gary Johnson, a Republican, failed to agree on a new political map.
    Senate President Pro Tem Richard Romero, D-Albuquerque, contends legislators would be within their rights to redo congressional redistricting since it was decided by a judge and not by lawmakers and the governor. Romero unsuccessfully challenged Rep. Heather Wilson, R-N.M., in New Mexico's Albuquerque-based 1st Congressional District in 2002.
    "Richard Romero would like to reopen redistricting to give him a better chance of challenging Heather," said House Minority Leader Ted Hobbs, R-Albuquerque. "We would fight that tooth and nail."
    Hobbs noted that New Mexico's overall redistricting battle, which included a special session in September 2001 and two court trials, cost New Mexico taxpayers more than $4 million.
    Democratic Gov. Bill Richardson has said he is reluctant to put redistricting on the agenda of a special session he plans to call in October on state tax policy. Richardson said he might change his mind, depending on what other states do.
    "The main focus of the session is going to be tax reform, but that doesn't preclude redistricting," said Dave Contarino, Richardson's chief of staff. "It's not off the table and certainly what Texas is doing really concerns the governor."
    Meanwhile, members of the Democratic state central committee cast a voice vote a week ago against a resolution offered by Rep. Edward Sandoval, D-Albuquerque, to support redoing congressional redistricting in New Mexico if Texas does.
    Several Democrats who live in New Mexico's southern 2nd Congressional District, represented by Rep. Steve Pearce, R-N.M., spoke against reopening redistricting at the meeting in Albuquerque.
    "If we're doing it for the benefit of just one congressional district, that one congressional district ought to work harder to defeat Heather Wilson," said Michael Flynn of Las Cruces.
    Sandoval was undeterred by the vote against his resolution on reopening redistricting. "We can still go there," he said later.


83 posted on 07/28/2003 3:55:34 PM PDT by CedarDave (The Dems look for a shadow on the brightest day, call it the dark of night and blame George W. Bush)
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To: wkcoop
LOL
84 posted on 07/28/2003 3:56:13 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (returned)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I think it's the fact that redistricting isn't seen as big deal that is going to nail the Dems. The public is seeing them taking extreme actions over something petty.
85 posted on 07/28/2003 3:56:15 PM PDT by MattAMiller
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To: anymouse
ABQ Journal excerpt:

updated at 4:10 p.m.

AUSTIN — Eleven of 12 Senate Democrats boycotted the chamber Monday in a protest over a second special session on congressional redistricting and headed to Albuquerque, N.M., in a move reminiscent of a walkout by House Democrats over the issue in May.

No word if they are staying in the Governor's mansion in Santa Fe.
86 posted on 07/28/2003 4:06:42 PM PDT by CedarDave (The Dems look for a shadow on the brightest day, call it the dark of night and blame George W. Bush)
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To: deport
I don't think he will run, but we need every vote we can get, and we won't get his.
87 posted on 07/28/2003 4:09:06 PM PDT by mathluv
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To: wkcoop
If Perry has any, he would do what Jeb did after the fiasco down here in Florida....deliberately halt and slow the funds to those local politicians who made an *** of themselves on television. He should freeze all funds to their districts until the scum return.
88 posted on 07/28/2003 4:14:24 PM PDT by Beck_isright (Remember the Blue Ridge Corporation!!!! Damn the torpedoes and SEC, full speed ahead!)
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To: anymouse
Please add a link to this thread on the NM locale page.

Done!

89 posted on 07/28/2003 4:16:45 PM PDT by CedarDave (The Dems look for a shadow on the brightest day, call it the dark of night and blame George W. Bush)
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To: mathluv
I don't think he will run, but we need every vote we can get,


Agreed, but I think they have 16 votes and that will pass it..... That's why they are running. If they didn't have the 16 votes necessary then no need to run.
90 posted on 07/28/2003 4:22:08 PM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: swilhelm73
Without quorum the Senate cannot pass any bills on anything.
91 posted on 07/28/2003 4:32:55 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: pogo101
Don't you suppose that the House Democrats would then flee all over again to bust quorum on the impeachment motions?
92 posted on 07/28/2003 4:34:09 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: AntiGuv
What about Senate Rules changes or the like?
93 posted on 07/28/2003 4:36:51 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: mattdono
Can't impeach them now. They've abandoned their positions. Gov Perry needs to call a special election to replace them.
94 posted on 07/28/2003 4:42:28 PM PDT by Aarchaeus
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To: pogo101
3) TX House IMPEACHES some of bolting Dems


Under what authority would the House impeach a state Senator? Even if they could it takes 2/3rds of the Senate to convict.....



4) Upon such impeachment, those Dems are automatically suspended from their Senate seats, and the Gov. may appoint provisional replacement Senators. (TX Const., Art. 15, sec. 5.)


This Article isn't referring to Senators.... only the following:
Impeachment of the Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, Commissioner of the General Land Office, Comptroller and the Judges of the Supreme Court, Court of Appeals and District Court shall be tried by the Senate. (Amended Nov. 7, 1995.)
95 posted on 07/28/2003 4:44:29 PM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: swilhelm73
What about Senate Rules changes or the like?


A quorum is spelled out in the Texas Constitution as 2/3rds of the members in each house..... So it would take an amendment to the Constitution....
96 posted on 07/28/2003 4:50:14 PM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: deport; pogo101
I just looked at the relevant Texas rules. Only the Senate can vote on expulsion of a Senator and that requires a 2/3 vote of all members, not just all members present. In any event, to my understanding of Rule 5.02 requires a quorum for the Senate to conduct any business.
97 posted on 07/28/2003 4:52:22 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: deport
Well, I was wondering more along the lines of other changes that the Dems don't want. For example, could the Senate pass a rule fining any member failing to show up for a quorom?

Charge $10,000 a day missed with no cap and see how long before the Dems come back...
98 posted on 07/28/2003 4:53:35 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: deport; swilhelm73
Passage of any proposed amendment requires 2/3 of all members as well, not just of members present.
99 posted on 07/28/2003 4:54:15 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: MissAmericanPie
a conservative state, and yet dislodging these liberal ticks from Austin and from power is almost impossible.

No. It just hasn't been done because the Republican wimps we have in Austin don't have the b@lls to do anything. Those dims have given up on their jobs. The governor needs to declare their seats vacant and call a special election to replace them. I am not holding my breath waiting for it to happen, though.

100 posted on 07/28/2003 4:54:15 PM PDT by Aarchaeus
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