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1 posted on 07/29/2003 3:53:53 PM PDT by TenaciousZ
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gay and lesbian evangelical Christians.

An oxymoron

2 posted on 07/29/2003 3:56:48 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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Even for gay evangelicals who say they have reconciled their faith and sexuality, some still wrestle with issues of faith.

This is exactly the problem. They claim to have reconciled their faith and sexuality. The translation is "We have re-written scripture to conform to our world view and now cast ourselves as victims of religious zealots who dont know the scripture!

They can try all they wish but they can never live in the sin of homosexuality and say that its OK by God. They must admit it is sin. They know this so the only real goal is to get enough people willing to believe as they want them to believe.

No one likes to be told they are sinful or do bad things. I have committed many a sin and will assuradly do so again, but I will never look over at God and say "I demand that this sin I commit NOT be called a sin!"

3 posted on 07/29/2003 3:58:02 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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This is in my neighborhood. I live close to Capitol Hill, and have many contacts there. These people need to chose one or the other. You can't rejoice in your sin and rejoice in God at the same time.
4 posted on 07/29/2003 4:01:23 PM PDT by irishtenor (My God is omnipotent, sorry about yours. *** Swarming Calvinists Unite!***)
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It saddens me to see them pervert the Word just to justify their own perversion.
5 posted on 07/29/2003 4:01:51 PM PDT by Godzilla (The Voices are telling me "Go home and clean the guns......")
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"Around here, the fact that I'm gay doesn't really raise an eyebrow," Poindexter said. "Mostly the fact that I'm a Christian is a little suspect."

And if he can answer the question as to why that happens, without blaming others, he may come to a major revelation in his life.

6 posted on 07/29/2003 4:04:32 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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"The scary thing is, if you change your perception of what the church says about sexuality, your perception of what the church says about everything is challenged," McGill said. "That's part of what I'm undergoing now, although the basic principles of what I believe I still find to be true."

Ok, but what does God's Word say about our sexuality? What's moral and immoral? What's scary is you can 'change your perception' about anything you don't like, but does that make it the truth?

Yhwhsman

8 posted on 07/29/2003 4:06:20 PM PDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)
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"I have learned in whatever state I'm in to be content." Paul managed to live a celibate life as did Christ. In fact, God calls upon every one of us to live celibate at some time of our life, whether it be before marriage or after being divorced or widowed. There is no "trying" to be content and failing, there is only rebellion. And yes, I am the mother of a woman who calls herself a "Christian" lesbian. She "hopes" God will forgive her based on her acceptance of Christ as a teen, and is "taking my chances". I pray Christ will change her heart.
10 posted on 07/29/2003 4:12:44 PM PDT by Wiser now
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they speak of their painful struggles to reconcile their faith and their sexuality

Painful because they are things that cannot be reconciled unless you throw out a good portion of Romans 1 and other sections of the New Testament. Ripping pages from the New Testament should be a painful experience.

12 posted on 07/29/2003 4:25:55 PM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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When we got to the end of the open pursuit of truth, if we came to a place where we concluded this was wrong, we would end the relationship." They concluded God blessed their relationship.

Perhaps you have not yet gotten to the end of the open pursuit of truth. Go back to the Word girls (and men).

14 posted on 07/29/2003 4:52:06 PM PDT by patriotUSA
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It is obvious that this reporter spends too much time on her knees before the all-powerful--and always up-to-date--idol of Self-Righteousness.

Apparently the other gods don't flatter our Sodomites sufficiently for their purpose, that they must now fabricate their very own god to worship.

15 posted on 07/29/2003 5:16:02 PM PDT by houstonian (Hillary Clinton: Standing proud for Matriarchal Squalor since 1965)
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Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Folks, we are almost there. The Supreme Court ruling making sodomy legal marks the final countdown to Christ's Kingdom beginning to appear, and the removal of all that offends and glorifies evil, from the face of the Earth.

16 posted on 07/29/2003 5:38:33 PM PDT by Russell Scott (When Christ's Kingdom appears, all of man's problems will disappear.)
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Bank robbers struggle in this legalistic society too.
17 posted on 07/29/2003 5:40:32 PM PDT by itsahoot
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Bump to read later.
18 posted on 07/29/2003 5:46:06 PM PDT by bicycle thug
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Poindexter, 41, an executive assistant at a local foundation, spent several years in the ex-gay ministry and concluded it wasn't helpful didn't meet with what he felt God should be.

Then he realized that as much as he cared for the woman, his basic orientation flesh's tendency to sin was unchanged.

We all have battles. Even Paul had a battle within his life. It's whether we turn them over to Christ or try to continue to fight them on our own shows who one puts their trust in

He found out about Evangelicals Concerned — the first time he had met gay Christians. "All my life I'd been told gay Christians can't exist," he said.

They can't

20 posted on 07/29/2003 7:04:15 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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"What brought about my change (of perspective) was seeing how destructive the ex-gay ethos was to people's lives," said Marks, 51, who is gay. "For all the devotion people made to coming to our ministry, the sacrifices they made, the effort they made to overcome — the long-term result was that nothing changed, and it brought about a crisis of faith for them. In that crisis, some lost their faith entirely."

Oh..I get it.

If we continue to struggle with any sort of sin, or temptation to sin...we have two choices;
1. Either decide that Biblical Christianity is wrong.
or...
2. Redefine the basis tenents of Biblical morality to fit our personal preferences.

Incredible!

What a phoney self-centered approach to the Christian faith "gay Christians" have settled for.

25 posted on 07/29/2003 7:49:58 PM PDT by Jorge
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I joined an Equestrian Club.

I don’t have or even care for horses.

So I ride my motorcycle at the equestrian events.

What right do the horse riders have to say that my riding a motorcycle at equestrian events is wrong?

Am I not also a fellow equestrian?
28 posted on 07/29/2003 9:38:08 PM PDT by Kay Soze (Itís already too late to regain the United States through negotiations and radio talk shows.)
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