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Stalin plot to kill Wayne
The Sun ^ | 7/29/2003 | ALLAN HALL

Posted on 07/29/2003 7:05:23 PM PDT by sjersey

SOVIET tyrant Josef Stalin ordered hitmen to kill movie idol John Wayne, it was claimed yesterday.

The murderous dictator feared that famously anti-Communist superstar Wayne would thwart his plans for a global red revolution.

British historian Michael Mann said: “Stalin saw him as a gigantic propaganda symbol against the Soviets.

“He was much more subtle than the atomic bomb but Stalin saw him as no less deadly.”

He said that two exiled Ukrainians living in America were given a contract to shoot the movie gunslinger, nicknamed The Duke.

They broke into his changing room at Warner Brothers’ Hollywood studios in 1943 — but the FBI ambushed them.

The Ukrainian pair then revealed they were acting for Stalin.

Mr Mann, who has written a book on the plot due out in the autumn, claims Wayne wanted to send the men back to Moscow “in wooden boxes” — but the FBI would not let him.

He says the death sentence on Wayne ended when Stalin died in 1953.

When Nikita Kruschev took over he ordered the KGB to stop plotting against Wayne — his favourite actor.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Russia
KEYWORDS: fbi; hollywood; johnwayne; kgb; soviets; stalin
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1 posted on 07/29/2003 7:05:23 PM PDT by sjersey
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To: sjersey
Mr Mann, who has written a book on the plot due out in the autumn, claims Wayne wanted to send the men back to Moscow “in wooden boxes” — but the FBI would not let him.

"You're layin' a hand on the wrong man, pilgrim!"

2 posted on 07/29/2003 7:07:31 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: sjersey
Stalin - You BASTARD!!!!!!!
3 posted on 07/29/2003 7:09:21 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("If it feels good, Do It! Don't Think Twice!" - Lynyrd Skynyrd)
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To: sjersey
Remarkably stupid story. Wayne didn't become well known as an anti-communist spokesman for about 20 years after this supposed incident. In 1943, the US and USSR were allied against Germany and John was busy making prowar movies.
4 posted on 07/29/2003 7:10:12 PM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: sjersey
Red Octopus!
5 posted on 07/29/2003 7:11:53 PM PDT by tet68
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To: sjersey
Wow, this is quite a story, if true.

Stalin would love most of the actors in today's Hollywood.

6 posted on 07/29/2003 7:12:41 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: sjersey
Are you sure this story didn't first appear in "The Onion"?
7 posted on 07/29/2003 7:13:04 PM PDT by Lockbar
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To: Restorer

"Outlived you, ya Commie bastard."

Actually, I agree with you. Stalin's doing this in 1943 doesn't make sense on any level.

8 posted on 07/29/2003 7:16:16 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: sjersey
This 'tease' doesn't say what happened to the two Ukrainians. Did they rot in prison? Deported? Executed?
9 posted on 07/29/2003 7:16:16 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (>>>>>Liberals Suk. Liberalism Sukz.<<<<<)
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To: Restorer
Wayne didn't become well known as an anti-communist spokesman for about 20 years after this supposed incident. In 1943, the US and USSR were allied against Germany and John was busy making prowar movies.

That, and the Ukrainians wouldn't know who ordered the job beyond their Control Officer.

10 posted on 07/29/2003 7:16:36 PM PDT by Riley
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To: sjersey
NO F**** WAY THE DUKE?

Stalin vs Duke

I take Duke in less than 3 rounds
11 posted on 07/29/2003 7:17:04 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in it for truth, justice, and the American way=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
Hardly anybody was vigorously anti-commie in 1943 in Hollywood.

The enemy of my enemy, and all that...
12 posted on 07/29/2003 7:18:10 PM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: sjersey
Stalin plot to kill Wayne



I curse his mustache!!!
13 posted on 07/29/2003 7:20:19 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Riley
British historian Michael Mann said: “Stalin saw him as a gigantic propaganda symbol against the Soviets.

“He was much more subtle than the atomic bomb but Stalin saw him as no less deadly.”

Ahem. In 1943, there was no such thing as an A-bomb. There were programs in the US working towards one (heavily infiltrated by Soviet spies), but nobody had any idea whether it would really work.

14 posted on 07/29/2003 7:20:37 PM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: sjersey
The ironic thing is, while this article is obviously fake, for reasons cited elsewhere, were someone to turn into a story about how, for example, Eisenhower plotted to kill liberal Gregory Peck, the "serious" media would probably run with it.
15 posted on 07/29/2003 7:20:41 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: DoctorMichael
They prospered. Their progeny now run the National Education Association and Democrat Party.
16 posted on 07/29/2003 7:21:56 PM PDT by Nucluside
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To: Riley
That, and the Ukrainians wouldn't know who ordered the job beyond their Control Officer.

Who was more likely to have been a German agent rather than a Soviet one. But then again, Old Uncle Joe was probably a few beets short of a borscht by 1943, so almost anything is possible.

17 posted on 07/29/2003 7:22:19 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: sjersey

Kill Wayne? That would leave Garth in charge!

18 posted on 07/29/2003 7:22:43 PM PDT by x
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To: Restorer
Stalin was killing every opponent in sight from the early thirties on.

Read Solzsenitsyn's "Gulag" for some insight on Stalin.

19 posted on 07/29/2003 7:22:53 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: SevenofNine
His real name was MARION. LOL!!!
20 posted on 07/29/2003 7:22:59 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: Restorer
Well, and Wayne probably wasn't even a big enough star in 1943 to attract Stalin's attention.
21 posted on 07/29/2003 7:24:01 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: Restorer
As a student at UBC in the early '60s, I occasionally paid a quarter to watch U.S. Dept. of the Army(IIRC) pro-Soviet propaganda films from Lend Lease days. Lots of film of jeeps, bombers, and smiling Uncle Joe Stalin, America's bestest pal!

The left-wing NDP Club sponsored the lunchtime showings as a fund-raiser.

They were fairly amusing, in an ironic sort of way. ;^)
22 posted on 07/29/2003 7:25:07 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: thinktwice
They broke into his changing room at Warner Brothers’ Hollywood studios in 1943 — but the FBI ambushed them.

John did not make a single movie for WB between 1933 and 1951.

Stalin was killing every opponent in sight from the early thirties on.

Actually a lot earlier than that. I have no doubt he would be perfectly willing to kill anybody. He just had no reason to want to kill this particular American movie actor.

23 posted on 07/29/2003 7:25:48 PM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: Restorer
Ahem. In 1943, there was no such thing as an A-bomb. There were programs in the US working towards one (heavily infiltrated by Soviet spies), but nobody had any idea whether it would really work.

Indeed. Not sure why you posted this to me, but I am aware of it and I concur.

24 posted on 07/29/2003 7:27:05 PM PDT by Riley
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To: sjersey
This is horsepockey. While the Duke might have been a strong anti-Communist in 1943 he wasn't publicly crusading against it until years afterwards. Besides which, we were allied with the USSR against Hitler at the time, John Wayne was making pro-war/pro-alliance films until the war was over.

Stalin was nuts, but he had bigger problems than a Hollywood actor.

25 posted on 07/29/2003 7:27:54 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: sjersey
In 1943 the only person who was verbally attacking Stalin was General Patton. He thought they were vermin and wanted to keep on taking land after germany. The official line was that we were friends and allies.

In retrospect he was right but he got his hands whacked more than once for his criticism.

Wayne was a hollywood footnote then and had not yet achieved the great audience that came later.

This story is poop.

26 posted on 07/29/2003 7:28:06 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
John became a major star in 1939, due to Stagecoach.

But he didn't become numero uno till the '50s.

27 posted on 07/29/2003 7:28:41 PM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: El Gato
Who was more likely to have been a German agent rather than a Soviet one. But then again, Old Uncle Joe was probably a few beets short of a borscht by 1943, so almost anything is possible.

The Germans running a Ukrainian network in the States?

28 posted on 07/29/2003 7:29:19 PM PDT by Riley
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To: Finalapproach29er
His real name was MARION. LOL!!!

"FILL YOUR HAND, YOU SONUVABITCH!"

29 posted on 07/29/2003 7:29:28 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: Riley
Sorry. Should have posted my comment to the original poster.
30 posted on 07/29/2003 7:30:26 PM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: Finalapproach29er
OH I knew that

John Wayne real name was Marion Morrison NOT SURE it was Hollywood agent represent him

If you were Joseph Stalin were you take on John Wayne PLEASEEE
31 posted on 07/29/2003 7:33:34 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in it for truth, justice, and the American way=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: sjersey
Mr Mann, who has written a book on the plot due out in the autumn, claims Wayne wanted to send the men back to Moscow “in wooden boxes” — but the FBI would not let him.

Boy, those FBI agents can be real wet blankets sometimes.

32 posted on 07/29/2003 7:34:39 PM PDT by lowbridge (You are the audience. I am the author. I outrank you! -Franz Liebkind, The Producers)
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To: Restorer
He became a star with Stagecoach, but it wasn't until 1948, with Red River and Fort Apache that he became a superstar.

Even as late as 1942, he only got third billing (behind Marlene Dietrich and Randolph Scott) in The Spoilers and Pittsburgh, and in 1943's A Lady Takes a Chance, he got second billing behind Jean Arthur.

Not exactly fodder for the paranoid delusions of a dictator.

33 posted on 07/29/2003 7:38:29 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: sjersey
Now that could rile a dude up!
34 posted on 07/29/2003 7:38:48 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: sjersey
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them."
35 posted on 07/29/2003 7:39:46 PM PDT by risk
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To: sjersey
"OK, I won't send them back to moscow in Wooden Boxes... The HELL I won't..."
36 posted on 07/29/2003 7:39:56 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (So, I'm in the park wondering why frisbees get larger as they get closer when suddenly, it hits me..)
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To: Restorer
The way I read this is that Stalin wanted to do a number on Wayne in the early 40's, not about what Wayne was doing.

Your interpertation seems inapprorpriate.
37 posted on 07/29/2003 7:45:40 PM PDT by LaMudBug
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To: Nucluside
;-)
38 posted on 07/29/2003 7:46:05 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (>>>>>Liberals Suk. Liberalism Sukz.<<<<<)
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To: thinktwice
I did. I think Stalin and Lenin were the two most evil men who ever lived.
39 posted on 07/29/2003 7:49:23 PM PDT by OldCorps
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To: Bobby777

Hmmmm.... Saddam was a Stalinist. Could he be seeking support from Stalinist Communists in the former Soviet Union, ..... because Saddam is/was an enemy of the US?

40 posted on 07/29/2003 8:02:03 PM PDT by PokeyJoe (The great chickenhawk returns September 1, 2003)
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To: DPB101
Ping
41 posted on 07/29/2003 8:04:08 PM PDT by Calpernia (Runs with scissors.....)
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To: Restorer; HiJinx
Say what???

John Wayne made a film in 1953 or 54 playing the part of an FBI agent in Hawaii filmed on location, hunting a Commie cell and its leaders plotting to sabotage Pearl Harbor Naval Base. I sure it was somewhere in that time period because the newest car in the movie, driven by the Duke naturally, was a 1953 Ford business coupe. The costar was... darn I can't remember his name but he ended up playing Marshall Matt Dillon on Gun Smoke, anyway he was the Duke's FBI partner in the movie. Heck of a good movie though for its age and way of pointing out the RED menace in such a direct and simple fashion that Sen. Joe McCarthy and Ann Coulter would love it. Surprisingly, this movie has even been on Turner Movie Classics a couple of times.

So, I think you are off by nearly a decade.
42 posted on 07/29/2003 8:06:37 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: sjersey; dighton; general_re; hellinahandcart; Poohbah; chance33_98
Stalin plot to kill Wayne

"What happens here, stays here."


43 posted on 07/29/2003 8:14:34 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (Guten Tag!)
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To: sjersey
"Josef Stalin, you son of a bitch ... fill your hands!"
44 posted on 07/29/2003 8:14:56 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Restorer
I think I have to agree with you. Even Reagan wasnt doing anti communist agitation in 43'. This smells real bad.
45 posted on 07/29/2003 8:15:43 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: SandRat

Big Jim McLain!

John Wayne's co-star was Jim Arness, who a short time later, went on to play Marshall Matt Dillon in Gunsmoke. John Wayne was offered the part of Marshall Dillion first, but turned it down. He suggested a firend of his might be perfect for the part. And Wayne introduced the very fiirst episode of Gunsmoke to America.

46 posted on 07/29/2003 8:31:31 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: sjersey
Michael Mann? You mean the guy who created Miami Vice? Yeah, this sounds like the kind of "history" the producer of a cheesy TV cop show would come up with alright.

Not for nothin, but John Wayne wasn't all that famous in 1943. He broke through in Stagecoach in 1939, true, but his big fame didn't hit til The Fighting Seabees in 1944 and then more so after the war. I doubt Stalin felt the need to "liquidate" him in 1943, especially seeing as how the Russians were our allies at the time.

47 posted on 07/29/2003 8:32:35 PM PDT by beckett
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To: Reagan Man
You got it!!!!
48 posted on 07/29/2003 8:33:42 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
Another good anti-commie film from The Duke, was "Blood Alley" (1955) with Lauren Bacall.
49 posted on 07/29/2003 8:51:10 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: PokeyJoe
dunno ... there was the rumor they were related but of course they are not ... nonetheless, I imagine Josef would have been proud of Saddam ...
50 posted on 07/29/2003 8:52:19 PM PDT by Bobby777
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