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Republican Breakup?
PhxNews ^ | Joe Duarte

Posted on 07/30/2003 11:25:27 AM PDT by hsmomx3

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To: jwalsh07
Public education is a mistake.

Education is a product, it *must* be done competetively or the current situtation *inevitably* arises.

INEVITABLY

It's one of the inherent problems with socialism.
151 posted on 07/30/2003 6:56:56 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: mrsmith
The problem is that education is a product. It must be treated as a product in order to ensure that the best education is available for the dollar at any given economic niche.

This can only be done through competition. You guys know this inherently, but are afraid to challenge the Founders where they messed up.
152 posted on 07/30/2003 7:00:07 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Courier
Funny how that works, innit? But they'd be the last to see the truth of your comparison.
153 posted on 07/30/2003 7:03:05 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: marron
The Republican Party is historically a coalition between Christians, capitalists, true-believers (he calls them neo-conservatives, but they have always been with us) and pragmatic libertarians. ... the mixture is more complex than he admits or recognizes, as most people fall into more than one category ...

Exactly right. My political views are strongly influenced by my Christian beliefs, I am an unswerving Capitalist, I still don't understand what the heck a neo-conservative is, and I would describe myself as a pragmatic libertarian. Some folks claim these are incompatable, but I think that describes the Founding Fathers quite well.



154 posted on 07/30/2003 7:05:10 PM PDT by gitmo (We have left the slippery slope and we are now in free fall.)
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To: hsmomx3
The crackup of the GOP must be why Bush in poll after poll gets 90% plus support from self indentified Pubbies. Secular somewhat more economically oriented free market types with a relaxed view about social issues that are not particularly interested in waging a culture war, and more religious moralist types have been compromising with each other in the GOP since rocks cooled. This breakup stuff is so ersatz.
155 posted on 07/30/2003 7:14:37 PM PDT by Torie
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To: RedneckRampage
Ok, let's repeal all laws and let people do what they want because you don't want "big government". We are a Christian country, we need to pass laws that reflect that.

At the state level, I have absolutely no problem with passing laws based on morality. The Founders originally left enough room in the Constitution for just that, hence all the old, but good, morality laws at the state level. But at the national level? No power under the Constitution and not intended.

And no I'm not an 'American', I'm a North Carolinian

156 posted on 07/30/2003 7:22:50 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: tdadams
Bosh.
157 posted on 07/31/2003 6:52:53 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: RedneckRampage
So if you're a homo I should leave you alone? In your dreams...

You might want to clarify that a bit. People could take that the wrong way.

158 posted on 07/31/2003 8:51:47 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: My2Cents
week I went to the American Conservative Union website to look at the conservative ratings of a bonafide liberal, and a bonafide "RINO." According to the ratings of the ACU, Barbara Boxer rated a "5" with her voting record last year. Olympia Snowe, everyone's consensus "RINO," rated a "65." I'd take Snowe over Boxer, or just about any other Democrat, any day.

I've seen this citation a lot on here the last few wweeks. It really, really saddens me that FR is becoming a place to defend Olympia Snowe. BARF!

159 posted on 07/31/2003 8:53:23 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: Dane
Do you agree with Ron Paul that President Bush was mistaken in giving $15 billion in aid to Africa? If you answer this you'll have the distinction of being the first person not to ignore this question when I ask it.
160 posted on 07/31/2003 8:56:00 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: Dane; cinFLA
"I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. ... The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom, and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."- Ronald Reagan

Do you agree with this quote?

161 posted on 07/31/2003 8:59:17 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: CyberCowboy777
Ron Paul is not schizophrenic and I have defended him more than once. He was wrong on Iraq.

I'm as big of a Ron Pauol fan as they come and I agree with you that he was wrong on Iraq.

162 posted on 07/31/2003 9:04:03 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: jmc813
The President and Mrs. Reagan, from the White House, September 14, 1986

Good evening. Usually, I talk with you from my office in the West Wing of the White House. But tonight there's something special to talk about, and I've asked someone very special to join me. Nancy and I are here in the West Hall of the White House, and around us are the rooms in which we live. It's the home you've provided for us, of which we merely have temporary custody.

Nancy's joining me because the message this evening is not my message but ours. And we speak to you not simply as fellow citizens but as fellow parents and grandparents and as concerned neighbors. It's back-to-school time for America's children. And while drug and alcohol abuse cuts across all generations, it's especially damaging to the young people on whom our future depends. So tonight, from our family to yours, from our home to yours, thank you for joining us.

America has accomplished so much in these last few years, whether it's been re-building our economy or serving the cause of freedom in the world. What we've been able to achieve has been done with your help-with us working together as a nation united. No we need your support again Drugs are menacing our society. They're threatening our values and undercutting our institutions. They're killing our children.

From the beginning of our administration, we've taken strong steps to do something about this horror. Tonight I can report to you that we've made much progress. Thirty-seven Federal agencies are working together in a vigorous national effort, and by next year our spending for drug law enforcement will have more than tripled from its 1981 levels. We have increased seizures of illegal drugs. Shortages of marijuana are now being reported. Last year alone over 10,000 drug criminals were convicted and nearlv $250 million of their assets were seized by the DEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration.

And in the most important area, individual use, we see progress. In 4 years the number of high school seniors using marijuana on a daily basis has dropped from 1 in 14 to 1 in 20. The U.S. military has cut the use of illegal drugs among its personnel by 67 percent since 1980. These are a measure of our commitment and emerging signs that we can defeat this enemy. But we still have much to do.

Despite our best efforts, illegal cocaine is coming into our country at alarming levels and 4 to 5 million people regularly use it. Five hundred thousand Americans are hooked on heroin. One in twelve persons smokes marijuana regularly. Regular drug use is even higher among the age group 18 to 25 most likely just entering the workforce. Today there's a new epidemic: smokable cocaine, otherwise known as crack. It is an explosively destructive and often lethal substance which is crushing its users. It is an uncontrolled fire.

And drug abuse is not a so-called victimless crime. Everyone's safety is at stake when drugs and excessive alcohol are used by people on the highways or by those transporting our citizens or operating industrial equipment. Drug abuse costs you and your fellow Americans at least $60 billion a year.

From the early days of our administration, Nancy has been intensely involved in the effort to fight drug abuse. She has since traveled over 100,000 miles to 55 cities in 28 States and 6 foreign countries to fight school-age drug and alcohol abuse. She's given dozens of speeches and scores of interviews and has participated in 24 special radio and TV tapings to create greater awareness of this crisis. Her personal observations and efforts have given her such dramatic insights that I wanted her to share them with you this evening.

Nancy.

Thank you. As a mother, I've always thought of September as a special month, a time when we bundled our children off to school, to the warmth of an environment in which they could fulfill the promise and hope in those restless minds. But so much has happened over these last years, so much to shake the foundations of all that we know and all that we believe in. Today there's a drug and alcohol abuse epidemic in this country, and no one is safe from it not you, not me, and certainly not our children, because this epidemic has their names written on it. Many of you may be thinking: "Well, drugs don't concern me." But it does concern you. It concerns us all because of the way it tears at our lives and because it's aimed at destroying the brightness and life of the sons and daughters of the United States.

For 5 years I've been traveling across the country learning and listening. And one of the most hopeful signs I've seen is the building of an essential, new awareness of how terrible and threatening drug abuse is to our society. This was one of the main purposes when I started, so of course it makes me happy that that's been accomplished. But each time I meet with someone new or receive another letter from a troubled person on drugs, I yearn to find a way to help share the message that cries out from them . As a parent, I'm especially concerned about what drugs are doing to young mothers and their newborn children. Listen to this news account from a hospital in Florida of a child born to a mother with a cocaine habit: "Nearby, a baby named Paul lies motion less in an incubator, feeding tubes riddling his tiny body. He needs a respirator to breathe and a daily spinal tap to relieve fluid buildup on his brain. Only 1 month old, he's already suffered 2 strokes."

Now you can see why drug abuse concerns every one of us-all the American family. Drugs steal away so much. They take and take, until finally every time a drug goes into a child, something else is forced out like love and hope and trust and confidence. Drugs take away the dream from every child's heart and replace it with a nightmare, and it's time we in America stand up and replace those dreams. Each of us has to put our principles and consciences on the line, whether in social settings or in the workpla ce, to set forth solid standards and stick to them. There's no moral middle ground. Indifference is not an option. We want you to help us create an outspoken intolerance for drug use. For the sake of our children, I implore each of you to be unyielding an d inflexible in your opposition to drugs.

Our young people are helping us lead the way. Not long ago, in Oakland, California, I was asked by a group of children what to do if they were offered drugs, and I answered, "Just say no." Soon after that, those children in Oakland formed a Just Say No club, and now there are over 10,000 such clubs all over the country. Well, their participation and their courage in saying no needs our encouragement. We can help by using every opportunity to force the issue of not using drugs to the point of making others uncomfortable, even if it means making ourselves unpopular.

Our job is never easy because drug criminals are ingenious. They work everyday to plot a new and better way to steal our children's lives, just as they've done by developing this new drug, crack. For every door that we close, they open a new door to death. They prosper on our unwillingness to act. So, we must be smarter and stronger and tougher than they are. It's up to us to change attitudes and just simply dry up their markets.

And finally, to young people watching or listening, I have a very personal message for you: There's a big, wonderful world out there for you. It belongs to you. It's exciting and stimulating and rewarding. Don't cheat yourselves out of this promise. Our country needs you, but it needs you to be clear-eyed and clear-minded. I recently read one teenager's story. She's now determined to stay clean but was once strung out on several drugs. What she remembered most clearly about her recovery was that during the time she was on drugs everything appeared to her in shades of black and gray and after her treatment she was able to see colors again.

So, to my young friends out there: Life can be great, but not when you can't see it. So, open your eyes to life: to see it in the vivid colors that God gave us as a precious gift to His children, to enjoy life to the fullest, and to make it count. Say yes to your life. And when it comes to drugs and alcohol just say no.

The President. I think you can see why Nancy has been such a positive influence on all that we're trying to do. The job ahead of us is very clear. Nancy's personal crusade, like that of so many other wonderful individuals, should become our national crusade. It must include a combination of government and private efforts which complement one another. Last month I announced six initiatives which we believe will do just that.

First, we seek a drug-free workplace at all levels of government and in the private sector. Second, we'll work toward drug-free schools. Third, we want to ensure that the public is protected and that treatment is available to substance abusers and the ch emically dependent. Our fourth goal is to expand international cooperation while treating drug trafficking as a threat to our national security. In October I will be meeting with key U.S. Ambassadors to discuss what can be done to support our friends abro ad. Fifth, we must move to strengthen law enforcement activities such as those initiated by Vice President Bush and Attorney General Meese. And finally, we seek to expand public awareness and prevention.

In order to further implement these six goals, I will announce tomorrow a series of new proposals for a drug-free America. Taken as a whole, these proposals will toughen our laws against drug criminals, encourage more research and treatment and ensure that illegal drugs will not be tolerated in our schools or in our workplaces. Together with our ongoing efforts, these proposals will bring the Federal commitment to fighting drugs to $3 billion. As much financing as we commit, however, we would be fooling ourselves if we thought that massive new amounts of money alone will provide the solution. Let us not forget that in America people solve problems and no national crusade has ever succeeded without human investment. Winning the crusade against drugs will not be achieved by just throwing money at the problem.

Your government will continue to act aggressively, but nothing would be more effective than for Americans simply to quit using illegal drugs. We seek to create a massive change in national attitudes which ultimately will separate the drugs from the custo mer, to take the user away from the supply. I believe, quite simply, that we can help them quit. and that's where you come in.

My generation will remember how America swung into action when we were attacked in World War II. The war was not just fought by the fellows flying the planes or driving the tanks. It was fought at home by a mobilized nation men and women alike building planes and ships, clothing sailors and soldiers, feeding marines and airmen; and it was fought by children planting victory gardens and collecting cans. Well, now we're in another war for our freedom, and it's time for all of us to pull together again. So, for example, if your friend or neighbor or a family member has a drug or alcohol problem, don't turn the other way. Go to his help or to hers. Get others involved with you clubs, service groups, and community organizations-and provide support and strength. And, of course, many of you've been cured through treatment and self-help. Well, you're the combat veterans, and you have a critical role to play. you can help others by telling your story and providing a willing hand to those in need. Being friends to others is the best way of being friends to ourselves. It's time, as Nancy said, for America to "just say no" to drugs.

Those of you in union halls and workplaces everywhere: Please make this challenge a part of your job every day. Help us preserve the health and dignity of all workers. To businesses large and small: we need the creativity of your enterprise applied directly to this national problem. Help us. And those of you who are educators: Your wisdom and leadership are indispensable to this cause. From the pulpits of this spiritfilled land: we would welcome your reassuring message of redemption and forgiveness and of helping one another. On the athletic fields: You men and women are among the most beloved citizens of our country. A child's eyes fill with your heroic achievements. Few of us can give youngsters something as special and strong to look up to as vou. Please don't let them down.

And this camera infront of us: It's a reminder that in Nancy's and my former profession and in the newsrooms and production rooms of our media centers you have a special opportunity with your enormous influence to send alarm signals across the Nation. To our friends in foreign countries: We know many of you are involved in this battle with us. We need your success as well as ours. When we all come together, united, striving for this cause, then those who are killing America and terrorizing it with slow but sure chemical destruction will see that they are up against the mightiest force for good that we know. Then they will have no dark alleyways to hide in.

In this crusade, let us not forget who we are. Drug abuse is a repudiation of everything America is. The destructiveness and human wreckage mock our heritage. Think for a moment how special it is to be an American. Can we doubt that only a divine providence placed this land, this island of freedom, here as a refuge for all those people on the world who yearn to breathe free?

The revolution out of which our liberty was conceived signaled an historical call to an entire world seeking hope. Each new arrival of immigrants rode the crest of that hope. They came, millions seeking a safe harbor from the oppression of cruel regimes. They came, to escape starvation and disease. They came, those surviving the Holocaust and the Soviet gulags. They came, the boat people, chancing death for even a glimmer of hope that they could have a new life. They all came to taste the air redolent and rich with the freedom that is ours. What an insult it will be to what we are and whence we came if we do not rise up together in defiance against this cancer of drugs.

And there's one more thing. The freedom that so many seek in our land has not been preserved without a price. Nancy and I shared that remembrance 2 years ago at the Normandy American Cemetery in France. In the still of that June afternoon, we walked toge ther among the soldiers of freedom, past the hundreds of white markers which are monuments to courage and memorials to sacrifice. Too many of these and other such graves are the final resting places of teenagers who became men in the roar of battle.

Look what they gave to us who live. Never would they see another sunlit day glistening off a lake or river back home or miles of corn pushing up against the open sky of our plains. The pristine air of our mountains and the driving energy of our cities ar e theirs no more. Nor would they ever again be a son to their parents or a father to their own children. They did this for you, for me, for a new generation to carry our democratic experiment proudly forward. Well, that's something I think we're obliged t o honor, because what they did for us means that we owe as a simple act of civic stewardship to use our freedom wisely for the common good.

As we mobilize for this national crusade, I'm mindful that drugs are a constant temptation for millions. Please remember this when your courage is tested: You are Americans. You're the product of the freest society mankind has ever known. No one, ever, has the right to destroy your dreams and shatter your life.

Right down the end of this hall is the Lincoln Bedroom. But in the Civil War that room was the one President Lincoln used as his office. Memory fills that room, and more than anything that memory drives us to see vividly what President Lincoln sought to save. Above all, it is that America must stand for something and that our heritage lets us stand with a strength of character made more steely by each layer of challenge pressed upon the Nation. We Americans have never been morally neutral against any form of tyranny. Tonight we're asking no more than that we honor what we have been and what we are by standing together.

Now we go on to the next stop: making a final commitment not to tolerate drugs by anyone, anytime, anyplace. So, won't you join us in this great, new national crusade?

(The President)

God bless you, and good night.
163 posted on 07/31/2003 9:05:45 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: jmc813
Then leave.
164 posted on 07/31/2003 9:06:04 AM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: Dane
All I did was point out the fact that Ron Paul agreed with the UN and liberal democrats about Iraq.

George Bush agrees with the liberal Democrats on education, foreign aid, social spending, etc. What's your point?

165 posted on 07/31/2003 9:06:41 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: jmc813
Do you agree with this quote?

Do you agree with this quote?

"Just say no!"

166 posted on 07/31/2003 9:06:59 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
You must check this out
167 posted on 07/31/2003 9:20:48 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: cinFLA
Do you agree with this quote? "Just say no!"

Yes.

168 posted on 07/31/2003 9:21:34 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: hobbes1
LOL...

Man dont lose those...they still make me roll. I had to reformat my C drive, I saved my links to the different aol graphics but now I am having modem problems...so for now....you are the loserdopian GIF King!! :o)
169 posted on 08/11/2003 9:35:01 AM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: VaBthang4; xsmommy
LOL....xsmommy gets a howl out of them.....I cackle everytime i see them...
170 posted on 08/11/2003 9:39:41 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: VaBthang4; hobbes1
they are the single best summing up of the libertarian party that i have ever seen. classic!
171 posted on 08/11/2003 10:46:44 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: DittoJed2
Where was the obligatory "Barf" alert?

No bart alert needed. Bob Barr, the NRA, the ACLU, and others had a meeting in my town.

Their purpose was to organize opposition to the Patriot Act. They also seek to prevent Patriot Act v2.0 from becoming law.

Current Republican party leaders are politically-imperiled when they ignore freedom-loving Americans.

Some day the Dems will win the Presidency again. Do you look forward to Hillary having all those nifty Patriot Act powers?

172 posted on 08/11/2003 11:15:17 AM PDT by xdem
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To: My2Cents
There may be a split in the GOP -- the 0.3% who are the naysayers will go off to a corner to sulk on their own.

More like 40% to 50% at the last election night precinct meeting vote...

173 posted on 08/11/2003 11:18:50 AM PDT by xdem
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To: xdem
Fine. If thinking you represent 40-50% of Republicans bolsters your fragile ego, then I won't argue with you.
174 posted on 08/11/2003 12:05:53 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: xdem
Some day the Dems will win the Presidency again. Do you look forward to Hillary having all those nifty Patriot Act powers?
Of course not; however, destroying the party is not the answer to reform. Education is. There are enough numbers to muster the money to do this. The people are not yet entirely powerless, just a bit apathetic.
175 posted on 08/11/2003 12:34:01 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: My2Cents
Fine. If thinking you represent 40-50% of Republicans bolsters your fragile ego, then I won't argue with you.

Rudeness and insults won't get my vote. Neither will ignoring issues I feel to be important.

Our present party honchos aren't showing leadership; they're showing blame-avoidance.

One need look no further than the guns-for-pilots program. "W" and his people fought that one kicking and screaming because they didn't want to take the blame if anything went wrong. That's not the way leaders behave. It's the domain of cowards.

176 posted on 08/11/2003 12:34:12 PM PDT by xdem
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