Posted on 07/31/2003 5:17:00 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
A Muslim reservist airman is bringing a test case against the Ministry of Defence, after he was disciplined for refusing to take part in the Iraq war.
He is appealing on the grounds that his faith forbids him from fighting other muslims.
Moshin Khan from RAF Suffolk was called up earlier this year but failed to turn up. He was charged with going absent without leave.
His lawyers will argue that the European convention on human rights gives everyone the right to freedom of religious belief - including military personnel.
He is not the only person to have refused to serve in Iraq. Two other British servicemen, a private and an air technician from 16 Air Assault Brigade, were sent home from the Gulf after refusing to fight.
But they refused to fight for moral reasons and not religious ones.
In previous conflicts, conscientious objectors in the armed services have been jailed for refusing to fight.
Khan was arrested by Suffolk police after going absent without leave in February.
He had reported for training but then decided he could not fight and went into hiding. Police handed him over to RAF investigators.
Serge Trifkovic, writing in Chronicles magazine in 1999 (!), observed that Muhammed was part Charles Manson, part John Gotti -- in other words, a psychopathic mass murderer and despot. Muhammed is also considered to be the model for all Muslims to seek to emulate. Think about a religion that holds a psychopathic mass murderer and despot as its ideal man. It explains much, doesn't it?
There are a small clique of barking fools here who have no concept of freedom of religion, who cannot distinguish between terrorist zealots and the many quiet, devout, moderate muslims. They scream for moderate muslims to speak out against terrorism, yet as soon as someone actually does that, that person gets viciously attacked. And then they wonder why none speak out.
Please ignore them and know that they are not representative, just noisy yappers.
You tell that I should be ashamed for telling her exactly 'WHAT' her religion really is?
I should not be angry with muslims flying planes into buildings and Americans faced with the choice of being burned alive or jumping to their deaths?
I should be ashamed when muslims fly planes into the Pentagon, killing innocent people?
Ashamed, for the passengers in Pennsylvania taking their fate into their own hands as the muslim terrorist were cutting their throats.
I should be ashamed for the beheadings in Iraq?
I could go on and on about muslims and their peaceful religion. It is not racism...it is the truth. Something you seem to be in denial of.
Moderate muslims.....yeah, I know them, they wink their approval of the terrorist that they don't have the guts to do themselves.
Moderate Muslims......you're kidding, right?
An ugly clanging gong...
Not really. Muslims are only allowed to fight other Muslims when they are fighting for Muslims. They are always allowed to make war on infidels.
Essentially, what this soldier wants is to get Britain to legally recognize Islamic Chauvanism (the idea that Muslims are better than everyone else).
You answer my questions and I'll AGAIN answer yours.
As a man, you have no idea what the very idea of a Christian woman thinks about the difference between the religions of Christiany and Islam. What the ramifications are to Christiane women should the radical islamofacists means to me.
You are a man....you are safe. Don't you dare to preach to me about islam....the peaceful religion.
"Moderate" Muslims should more accurately be called "moderately" Muslim -- they either ignore or are ignorant of at least parts of their faith.
"Moderate" Muslims will quote Muhammed from the early days of his preaching career, when he advocated peace, love and understanding with non-Muslims; not surprisingly, Muslims were small, weak and few in number at the time. He grew more belligerant as Muslims grew in numbers and power. You just can't get around that.
To be fair, Christian rulers at the time committed all kinds of acts that are not acceptable today, but that's the point -- to a Christian, what was acceptable in the 7th century may not be today (slavery being a example). Traditional Muslims are still mentally stuck in the early middle ages.
You're avoiding my questions, as expected. If as a male I don't understand a woman's view, then likewise as a non-Muslim you don't understand a moderate Muslim's point of view? Hmmm, copout reasoning doesn't hold up well, does it?
Bottom line, there is a huge difference between moderate muslims and terrorist supporting fanatics. You fail to recognize this, so what exactly is the solution you are advocating? Chase all Muslims into the sea, force them to wear yellow crescents, or just force them to drink from separate water fountains? What is your solution? Be clear.
Talk like a bigot and expect to be called on it.
Sounds suspiciously similar to talk about the mental inferiority of the 'Noble Savages'...
But the New Testament does not have preachings that advocate this. The Koran has some pacific verses but has many murderous verses that advocate bloody war and terrorism. Even being so specific as to advocate beheadings to more easily frighten (terrorize) the opposition into surrender.
Then you have the problem that all Muslims are exhorted to copy and model their life after the most perfect life ever lived. That of Muhammad. (Islam's words)
Either sex can figure that one out.
Chase them into the sea? You betcha. If it comes to choosing between islam and Christianity, I'll choose the later thank you very much.
Get off your holier than thou attitude, all that will get you is either conversion to islam, or a beheading. That is your choice.
I'll repeat myself, 'Chase them into the sea.
Your touchy feely attitude will get you at the wrong end of a sword.
I've answered you phony platitudes.
When you become a woman and are forced to live under servitude and nothingness, get back to me...no, I won't be here, I'll be dead. I will not live under the yoke of islam.
Which you are apparently willing to do.
I'm not a bigot, I'm a realist....big difference.
Either sex can figure that one out.
Chase them into the sea? You betcha. If it comes to choosing between islam and christianity, I'll choose the later thank you very much.
Get off your holier than thou attitude, all that will get you is either conversion to islam, or a beheading. That is your choice.
I'll repeat myself, 'Chase them into the sea.
Your touchy feely attitude will get you at the wrong end of a sword.
I've answered you phony platitudes.
When you become a woman and are forced to live under servitude and nothingness, get back to me...no, I won't be here, I'll be dead. I will not live under the yoke of islam.
Which you are apparently willing to do.
I'm not a bigot, I'm a realist....big difference.
You and me, girlfriend!
Arguably, the number one fear traditional Muslim men have regards losing control over their women. The traditional Muslim belief is that the honor of the family resides in the women. Non-Muslim (this includes non-Western societies such as Japan) cultural influence, however, gives women ideas ... that they can can get an education, work outside of the home, choose their husbands and not tolerate being beaten. That they/we have intrinsic value and do not exist simply to serve men.
One thing that I would add is that a Muslim man in a non-Muslim country is like an alcoholic let loose in an liquor store -- party time! The 9-11 hijackers were having a grand old time, drinking and visiting strip clubs before the fateful day. They consider Western women to be whores but they try to take advantage!
Sorry about dp.
Thanks for clearing that up. We criticize fantical Islam for its violent advocacy of genocide. You are also advocating a genocide.
What exactly were the 'realists' reactions to the parables of the Good Samaritan and the woman at the well? In neither case did he advocate genocide or even withdrawing from human contact.
I don't think men will ever figure out what it is that gets American women so riled when it comes to islam. They have no idea.
In a post-Islamic world....my days would be numbered.
fantical = fanatical
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