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Boy Scouts' use of Balboa Park land ruled unconstitutional
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 7/31/03 | Ray Huard

Posted on 07/31/2003 11:22:36 PM PDT by lowbridge

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To: Publius6961
Dream on (I think).

You sure sound confused.

No "dream on" to it. The law and the trends are against Bush because the rest of his party capitulates to their counterparts. If they had any b*lls, we'd have some judges in the federal court by now. There's your trend. They gave into the Dems when the Dems were in power. Now they are giving into them when they are not in power.

I'll say it again: We're going down and the government is doing everything it can to make it happen.

141 posted on 08/01/2003 5:38:26 PM PDT by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: doodlelady
I remember that scandal. I was still living in San Diego when it happened. My last trip to Mataguay was as an adult advisor for the troop sponsored by my church. I slept in the back of my pickup truck for 2 nights. The advisor who had been scheduled for the week had a 2 day business trip, so I provided supervision for a couple nights. It is a nice camp.
142 posted on 08/01/2003 7:10:43 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Stone Mountain
If you profess a belief in any established religion, you are welcome in Scouting. If you profess no belief in any established religion, but are willing to go so far as to say that you think that there must be some kind of power beyond the material, one that does not operate on the material plane but that has rules that we are accountable to, you pass. Even if that power is not incarnate in any kind of "God" and if you're not too sure about the rules. You are acceptable if you've made up your own religion and think that God resides in tree in your front yard. About the only thing that won't fly is that if you definitely state that "there is no God" and that there's no such thing as a supernatural power.
143 posted on 08/01/2003 8:40:51 PM PDT by RonF
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To: lowbridge
O.K. So the judge interprets "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" to mean that no Government agency can sign a contract with any religious agency, or grant it any privileges. Take this to it's logical and by no means extreme conclusion, and you'll see the property tax exemption taken from all religiously affiliated organizations (churches, etc.).

So. Now, does the BSA take this up on appeal? The BSA has never lost in the Supreme Court. I think that the judge has this wrong on the merits on the law.

144 posted on 08/01/2003 8:51:26 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Myrddin
>>> I rode my bicycle from Chula Vista to places as far away as San Vicente reservoir<<<

We live in Chula's growing so fast.
We're not quite ready to give up the perfect weather yet.
145 posted on 08/01/2003 9:46:40 PM PDT by b9
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To: lowbridge
Jones said the Boy Scouts are a religious organization because the Scouts require members to profess a belief in God

They are also a Congressionally chartered organization, like the American Legion or the Veterans of Foreign Wars. In case the judge never noticed. The Supreme Court and Congress start their sessions with a prayer, does that make them unconstitutional as well? The Scouts don't attempt to tell anyone which God to believe in, or for that matter to even believe in God, just to do their duty to God, as they the individual sees it. There are scout organizations affilliated with virtually all religions, including dozens of Christian denominations from Baptists to Prebyterians, African Methodist Ephicapilians to Mormons (and stopping by the Seventh Day Adventists on the way) , the Baha'i Faith, various branches of Judahism, various branches of Islam, Budhists, Hindus and others.

The "requires belief in God must come from these two requirments:

Scout Oath (or Promise)
On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

or this part of the Scout Law

A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.

That last is really bad isn't it? "Respects the beliefs of others."

Of course the real beef with the Boy Scouts is their stand on homosexuality. Plus maybe a little of their stand on firearms and firearms training

146 posted on 08/02/2003 10:46:12 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: newzjunkey
the Christian Right and their pet organizations

What about all those Muslim Scouts, Jewish Scouts, Hindu Scouts and Buddist Scouts?

The legal question doesn't revolve around religion at all. The question is whether or not the "sweetheart deal" is in the public interest. For generations the answer was yes. It's also not a question for the courts, but rather for legislatures, in this case a city council.

147 posted on 08/02/2003 11:16:22 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: PatrioticAmerican
</i>Christian bastards not welcome</i> The Scouts are not a "Christian" organization. They fully welcome Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and Buddits, amoung others. Part of their law requires "respecting the beliefs of others". No, what the liberals can't stand about the scouts is their Americanism and their wholesomeness. The liberal are for internationalism and debauchery.
148 posted on 08/02/2003 11:19:27 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
They might accept them, but faith to God is part of the Boy Scout way of life and heritage. Muslims are not a religion, but pray to a rock. Buddists don't believe in the God, but reserve the right to not believe or to believe. Jews have faith in God, but not Jesus. Hindus, well, they think cows are their ancestors.

So, except for the Jews, the BSA may have them in their ranks, but they have no faith in God. The BSA may not be Christian in a direct sense, but they are in the sense that the religions of faith to God, except for the Jews, are Christian.

The BSA isn't just a camping society of young boys and men, and, if that is what you think, you don't know the BSA.
149 posted on 08/02/2003 11:33:57 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (Helping Mexicans invade America is TREASON!)
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To: America's Resolve
For me this sets the following precedent: if you profess a belief in (a) God, you are ineligible for any govt benefits.

or, in this case, to do business with your own government.
150 posted on 08/02/2003 11:37:05 AM PDT by gitmo (We have left the slippery slope and we are now in free fall.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
you don't know the BSA.

From the Scout Law :

"He respects the beliefs of others".

Apparently it you sir, who does not know the BSA.

151 posted on 08/02/2003 11:59:54 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: America's Resolve
Well, using this logic, if a legal entity were to have a belief in a G-d like figure, and profess it, then they would be denied any governmental contracts.

Therefore, a Christian could be denied a drivers license if they have any indication of their faith displayed on their vehicle.

152 posted on 08/02/2003 12:25:07 PM PDT by sten
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To: sten
This is all so looney it gives me the shivvers.
It's like a bad dream and I can't wake up.

Did you ever in your wildest dreams in the last 20-30 years expect you'd have to defend the principles of the BOY SCOUTS of all things?!!!

Wonder how soon they'll be changing our currency.
"In God We Trust"
It really is a war, isn't it.
153 posted on 08/02/2003 2:28:21 PM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady
It is.

Have anybody seen or heard of any elected-officals
on any level defending the BSA ?
What is it that the national media is not reporting this ?
like FOX or radio talk shows like Rush,Sean,Savage,Reagan,etc....? They should be defending
the little boys. just wondering
154 posted on 08/02/2003 3:13:17 PM PDT by Orlando
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To: doodlelady
I was in Chula Vista last weekend. Hilltop High class of 1973 30th reunion. My parents still live in CV.
155 posted on 08/02/2003 5:06:36 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
Well, we're about 4 blocks from Hilltop High!

Small woild, huh.
156 posted on 08/02/2003 5:39:07 PM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady
My mother-in-law graduated from Chula Vista High before Hilltop was built. Her younger brother (now deceased) was in one of the first classes to attend Hilltop. My wife is a graduate of Bonita Vista High.

Your proximity to the Hilltop campus means you will be hearing the drum section of the band doing the summer training sessions. Before H street was completed, I marched down Claire Ave from I St to Via De Laurencio every afternoon from September through December. Evenings were spent on the football field to practice for half-time shows. Mornings started at 5:00 AM for trumpet section practice in the band room.

Take a drive down Peppertree Lane. After the first big dip, there is a big, semi-circular house on the right. That belonged to my wife's uncle. He started a little company known as Kelco. Today, the house is occupied by the young lady who was the flower girl at my wedding and her husband.

My wife's grandfather came to Chula Vista around 1911. He had the opportunity to buy a big piece of swampy land for $500, but turned it down. That land is known as the Bonita Valley today. We have quite a bit of family history tied up in Chula Vista.

157 posted on 08/02/2003 6:45:09 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: newzjunkey
Are you Ok with it being justified with the 1st amendment?
158 posted on 08/02/2003 6:52:27 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Myrddin
That must've been quite a decision to transplant yourselves from Chula Vista to Idaho....
It's changed soooo much here in the last several years.
Unfortunately the Hilltop schools aren't anywhere near as good anymore...our son graduated from Bonita Vista
in '96 and our daughter from Coronado last year.
I'm still a Colorado girl in my mind, where I grew up...
my husband's a Navy brat from San Rafael.
Yep, we do hear the Hilltop band!
You must be so proud of your son in Kuwait.
Talk about the ultimate Boy Scout! Is he married?
159 posted on 08/02/2003 11:54:03 PM PDT by b9
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To: friendly
Napoleon A. Jones, Jr. (THE PREDICTABLE BIOGRAPHY OF A MONSTER) U.S. District Court Judge Napoleon Jones graduated in 1967 with a master's degree in Social Work. Five years before the Africana Studies Department was established, Jones founded and became the first president of SDSU's Black Student Council. Additionally, Jones was a member of Kappa Alpha Psi which was the first African-American fraternity. In 1994, he was appointed by President Clinton to the United States District Court for the Southern District of California.

This is the reason that differences with less conservative republicans should never result in a vote for a disruptor such as Perot.

160 posted on 08/03/2003 7:16:10 AM PDT by ontos-on
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