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"U.S. District Judge Napoleon Jones Jr. said the Scouts' lease of the 18-acre Camp Balboa in Balboa Park violates provisions in the U.S. and state constitutions governing the separation of church and state. Jones said the Boy Scouts are a religious organization because the Scouts require members to profess a belief in God."
By Jone's "logic", anyone professing a belief in God can have their lease or contract with the federal government cancelled by the first court that they see.
Thus, military contracts with God-fearing soldiers are now invalidated. Grazing leases with God-fearing ranchers are now invalidated. GI Bill scholarships for God-fearing students are now invalidated. Social Security for God-fearing retirees is now invalidated. Medicare for God-fearing patients is now invalidated, etc...
In his zest to promote the current Leftist fads of being anti-God and anti-straight, Judge Jones has just invalidated every possible government benefit and contract with 95+% of the American population.
But I doubt that the Left calls for his impeachment...
posted on 08/01/2003 12:28:59 AM PDT
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
You are right on.
It seems it is now illegal to be christians in America.
How long will it take for them to start burning us on the stake. Or at least forced sterilization to keep those who forsake the constitution and believe in God.
It is obviously no longer One nation under God.
"professing a belief in God"
I wonder if this "idiot" judge has looked at those dollar bills in his pocket. They profess a belief in God.
"In God we trust"
Lets take away his money :)
posted on 08/01/2003 1:24:16 AM PDT
"By Jone's "logic", anyone professing a belief in God can have their lease or contract with the federal government cancelled by the first court that they see."
I don't think so. This is talking about an organization's requirements *and* (maybe more importantly) the "sweetheart" deal this lease represents. The Scouts aren't paying fair market value, didn't have to compete for the lease or anything. It's just about what the judge has indicted it for: the rubberstamp of approve from a government body because of an organization "values" which require a profession of faith from its members.
I have no problem with this slap down. I don't particularly care for the BSOA program nor this sort of gov't welfare or wink-wink endorsement of a particular set of faith-based values which are imposed upon the membership and the staff: must believe in God, must not be homosexual, etc.
Government is of *ALL* the People, not just the Christian Right and their pet organizations. Sorry.
You are absolutely correct. First of all, this is a matter of contract, not law. And unless the government can prove it had a better deal, someone else bidding more, then it is outright discrimination. Based on religion. The governement can neither be inclined to nor reject doing business with a group, unless that group advocates something illegal.
posted on 08/01/2003 3:19:36 AM PDT
Irrespective of what some idjits say.
posted on 08/01/2003 3:20:42 AM PDT
How much longer before people within religious organizations are disbarred use of all other public lands?
...like public roads?
posted on 08/01/2003 5:11:26 AM PDT
(To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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