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28 Pages of 9/11 Report Revealed (Debka Alert!)
Dekba | 8/1/2003 | Debka

Posted on 08/01/2003 8:22:27 AM PDT by ElusiveSpondulix

1. Al Qaeda Terror Conspiracy Vs America Traced to 1991

The contentious 28 pages of the 900-page US congressional report on the September 11, 2001 al Qaeda terrorist attacks on America reach back into a murky past and forward into an uncertain future, pinpointing their powerful interaction for the first time.

When the report produced by a joint House-Senate inquiry panel came out on Thursday July 24, those pages hit the US President George W. Bush between the eyes. According to a senior Washington source, speaking to Debka, the president judged at once that the authors, particularly the Democratic lawmakers on the inquiry body, had not confined themselves to probing into the intelligence failings leading up to the attacks but broadened the scope of the inquiry to fashion a weapon for use in the vendetta waged against him since he decided to go to war on Iraq, as well as generating fodder for his rivals in the up-and-coming election campaign. This weapon, he believed, was also aimed at the heads of his inner circle of advisers: vice president Richard Cheney, CIA director George Tenet, FBI chief Robert Mueller and the senior White House staff, especially national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

One of those advisers was quoted to us as referring to the 28 critical pages as an attempt to blow up the White House.

A source who has read the entire report described those few pages as an incendiary concoction of highly sensitive intelligence materials relating to war, foreign relations, domestic politics and even the President’s campaign for reelection in 2004. Its connotations are potentially detrimental to the president and even more so to America’s world standing amid its preoccupations with two wars.

As soon as he had perused the contentious section, Bush stamped the explosive 28 pages classified, delaying only to put in telephone calls to the CIA and FBI Directors. The president stated that publication would be injurious to national security and jeopardize an ongoing investigation.

He told his staff that he would personally handle its contents and forbade any one else to deal with the subjects named without his say-so.

A Debka intelligence source who knows how the material was gathered and put together noted the president’s use of the word “personal”. Some White House staffers would much have preferred not to have read the contentious pages because leaks might turn the president’s accusing finger in their direction.

But the cat may soon be out of the bag anyway. The president could not prevent the congressional committee sending out unexpurgated copies to a long list of recipients in and outside America. Several dozen full texts have reached a number of European and Middle Eastern capitals.

Riyadh is one.

2. Bush and Saudi Prince Butt Horns

The voluminous congressional report on the 9/11 terrorist attacks – especially the 28 axed pages - became an instant best seller in the top circle of princes, read avidly by Crown Prince Abdullah, defense minister Prince Sultan, his son the Saudi ambassador to Washington Prince Bandar, foreign minister Saud al Faisal, interior minister Prince Nayef and governor of Riyadh Prince Salman.

After deciding to bury the document before it circulated any further, Abdullah sent foreign minister Saud al-Faisal post haste to Washington with a demand for the 28 pages to be declassified to give the Saudis a chance to defend themselves against accusations of complicity in the 9/ll hijackings.

“The Saudis knew perfectly well about the president’s decision to black the explosive pages which also refer to them,” according to our source. “They demanded that Saud al Faisal be received in the White House without delay as though it was a matter of life and death. In fact, it was a matter of self-interest. They manufactured a crisis to give themselves a chance to say loud and clear for all to hear that the allegations in the unpunished section were lies. It was important for the royal house to demonstrate to Saudi religious and tribal leaders, as well as to al Qaeda supporters at home - overt and clandestine – that Riyadh will brook no accusations such as are contained in the report and is doing everything in its power to fend them off.

In the view of Debka’s counter-terror sources, this was a Saudi exercise to pacify al Qaeda sympathizers in the kingdom and ease internal tensions.

Even more important, the unpublished substance of the report gave the Saudis another excuse for huffily withholding cooperation from Washington in the sensitive interrogations of the terrorist suspects rounded up in the kingdom.

To pre-empt the Saudis, Bush immediately agreed to receive the Saudi foreign minister on Tuesday, July 29, but declared firmly ahead of al-Faisal’s arrival that the disputed pages would not be declassified.

Understanding he had been outmaneuvered, Prince al-Faisal waxed sarcastic as he came out of his interview with Bush: “The President praised Riyadh as a strong ally in the war on terror as well as a joint victim of terrorists…” Declaring that his country had captured some 500 terrorists and had nothing to hide, he added: “It is inconceivable that this president would try and cover up any aspects of 9/11.”

Our sources disclose that the Saudi prince grumpily complained in the ears of his advisers about being classed as a “victim of terror”.

President Bush and the Saudi foreign minister al-Faisal fell out some time before the 9/11 report was published. In early March, when Riyadh understood that nothing would deter the Bush administration from launching an invasion of Iraq, Prince Saud al Faisal visited the White House to discuss terms for Saudi assistance, chiefly in the form of air bases close to the Iraqi border being made available to the US Air Force. In return, the Saudi royal house sought a presidential pledge not to open up American’s strategic oil reserve for fear world prices would be driven down. Bush and his advisers were willing to accede in return for a counter-promise from Riyadh to step up production in order to bring oil prices down to the 20-22 dollars per barrel level.

On the spot, the Saudi foreign minister phoned Crown Prince Abdullah’s palace and obtained his consent to the deal. It was personally guaranteed by the two princes.

However, as Debka’s Washington and Gulf sources affirm, Bush kept his side of the bargain; the Saudi princes did not. Instead of raising production, they reduced it, sending oil prices rocketing over 30 dollars per barrel up until the present.

On a later occasion, President Bush sharply reproved the Saudi foreign minister, complaining that Riyadh’s breach of faith had the effect of canceling out some key Iraq war gains. In private conversation, the president accused the Saudis of mining the war for the sake of financial profit and damaging the American economy. The price of oil continues to be high, weighing down on President Bush plans to kick off his re-election campaign with the glad tiding of falling energy prices. Instead, the price of oil has become a campaign handicap.

When they met at the White House on Tuesday, Saud al Faisal found his host in an exceptionally blunt mood after he had just seen the Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon off.

Riyadh Exaggerates Scale of Terrorist Crackdown

Bush after pointing out that what had been written could not now be unwritten, moved onto the offensive. If anyone had cause for a grievance, he said, it was Washington not Riyadh. The president proceeded to tear into the reports Riyadh put about of the Saudi security authorities’ merciless crackdown against al Qaeda terrorists and their accomplices up and down the kingdom, punctuated by heroic firefights. None of it was true, said Bush. There may be more Saudi security troops out and about than before al Qaeda’s triple attacks in Riyadh on May 12.. But, the president insisted, they are mostly passive. The only times clashes occur is when a Saudi force stumbles on a terrorist cell and comes under attack first.

Furthermore, while Saudi spin specialists spread stories around the American media claiming CIA and FBI officers are free to join Saudi interrogations of detained Saudi terrorists, and even put in their own questions, very little has changed since 1995. Aside from a handful of cases immediately after May 12, the Saudis consistently deny American investigators access to suspects. Even when suspects are caught on the strength of leads from US intelligence, American agents are only permitted to read censored transcripts of their interrogations, no direct access.

Bush also charged the Saudis with practicing the “revolving door” method to inflate their arrest figures. Most are freed after a few days, some even without being questioned. Another grave accusation he leveled from US intelligence input was that Saudi funds continue to flow to al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in Europe and the Middle East. Notwithstanding Saudi assurances that they had clamped down on the funds reaching Muslim charities, large sums are still funneled through Gulf emirates.

To stem the US president’s diatribe, the Saudi foreign minister offered to allow American investigators to question Omar al-Bayoumi, According to the congressional report, this Saudi Arabian helped two of the Saudi hijackers who died in the 9/11 attacks to settle in San Diego with the help of funds provided by “high-placed Saudis within the country’s ruling elite.” One of those high-placed Saudis was Princess Haifa al-Faisal, the wife of Saudi ambassador to Washington Prince Bandar bin Sultan. She has repeatedly denied knowing the destination of the money she forwarded.

What emerges clearly from the report is that, however circuitous the routes, the financing for at lest two of the September 11 suicide hijackers came from two principal sources: ruling circles in Riyadh and close allies of Washington working out of the Saudi embassy in the heart of Foggy Bottom.

As for Saud al Faisal’s gesture regarding al-Bayoumi, he forgot to mention a small point: Under the law of his country, a citizen has the right to refuse to answer the questions of foreign investigators. Al Bayoumi would merely be tagged onto the list of unavailable Saudi citizens Washington wants to question which has been growing since 1995. The Riyadh authorities come up with the most inventive excuses for their brush-offs. They don’t know the suspect’s address, or he is still under their own investigation and, when all else fails, the detainee is said to have sadly passed away in his cell.

3. From Late 1980s, US Double Agents Aided Bin Laden’s Expansion

Some of the names and events appearing in the blacked-out 28 pages of the congressional report on the September 11, 2001, come up in the main body of the document and will be familiar to American newspaper readers. However, Debka’s intelligence experts note that this panel was the first to dig as far back as 10 years ago and delve into the root-causes of the 9/11 calamity.

Its authors fix on late 1991, early 1992 as the starting line. It was then that the Afghan mujaheddin fighting against the Russians were converted from a pro-American to an anti-American combat force.

In the late 1980s, word was already going round the medressas of Peshawar and the bazaars of the Middle East that the brilliant guerrilla commander, whom Saudi intelligence had head-hunted for the CIA, Osama bin Laden, was going around saying that the force of fundamentalist Islam that had been potent enough to defeat the Communist empire was equal to taking on American imperialism.

In the early nineties, the 28 censored pages reveal, those words became deeds.

Here comes the most sensitive section of the blacked pages.

At the time, Saudi security and the Pakistani military intelligence were casting about for a military-religious force to install a stable Sunni Muslim regime in Kabul that would squash the endless internecine warfare between tribes and sects. Such a regime was needed above all as a buffer against the radical ayalloyahs in Tehran who threatened to export their Shiite Muslim revolution to Pakistani Shiites, especially in Baluchistan, to the Saudi Shiites who inhabit the oil regions of the kingdom, and to the Shiites of Lebanon. The princes of Riyadh took fright from the creation of Tehran’s first military Shiite terror force, the Hizballah, in Lebanon and its threat to the stability of Gulf regimes in general.

Against this backdrop, Saudi intelligence created, funded and armed the Taliban army of Afghanistan.

The report does not explain how Osama bin Laden and his militia came to be integrated in the formation of the Taliban. Two possibilities are suggested: Anti-American factions at the Saudi court or inside Saudi intelligence provided Saudi-born bin Laden with hefty sums of money to establish a base of influence and control over the Taliban leaders. The unpublished section of the report rules out the prevalent theory that the Saudi-born terrorist financed the project out of his own pocket. Alternatively, a leading world intelligence agency antagonistic to the United States gave bin Laden his first leg up.

Double Agents Wrought Damage from Within

The report speaks of the artful use of double agents operating clandestinely inside the CIA and FBI, and names some who were recruited by the United States in the years between the 1980s and the mid-1990s. Some of these double agents were accepted by US elite units, such as the 82nd Airborne Division, the Rangers and even the Delta Force, as instructors or regular troops, while at the same time providing military training for bin Laden’s followers in their Afghan bases. The American turncoat Aldrich Ames, who was captured in 1994 and sentenced to life imprisonment for spying for the Soviet Union and later Russia, was one of those double agents and a prime mover in weaving these agents into the United States armed forces, claiming they contributed to America’s most vital intelligence interests.

He was not the only one, only the most notorious.

The dual action of these penetration agents enabled Osama bin Laden to truthfully boast to his Saudi and Pakistani sponsors as well as tohis Taliban partners that his organization enjoyed the most sophisticated American training resources – a tremendous prestige booster at the time.

The congressional report goes on to reveal that the double agents were fully apprised of the plan the al Qaeda founder developed in 1992 for his first act of terror inside America - the initial attempt to bring down New York’s Twin Towers in February 1993.

He had come up with the monstrous notion of locating a truck in a space under one of the towers and loading it with the exact amount of explosives required for rocking the tower inward so that it crashed into the second one, bringing both down. Already then, he was looking forward to the deaths of thousands of Americans.

In the event, bin Laden miscalculated the quantity of explosives and the Twin Towers were saved.

In 1994, his followers came up with a bolder plan, to hijack in one day 12 Boeing 747 airliners full of passengers from Far Eastern airports, fly them to North America and crash them over strategic locations, like the White House, Capitol Hill, New York’s Trade Center. That attempt was aborted, but the lawmakers who penned these 28 pages ask why, after that episode, US intelligence failed to connect the relevant events with the related intelligence data and come up with al Qaeda’s ultimate goal, the September 11, 2002 hijackings. All the signs were present and there to see and pointed to the bin Laden organization’s three objectives:

1. The destruction of New York’s Trade Center.

2. Attacks on strategic sites in Washington DC

3. The taking of the highest possible number of American lives.

Debka’s intelligence sources reveal that the compilers of the congressional report offer some answers to their question.

Bin Laden Gathers Momentum

The first cause was the efficiency of anti-American double agents planted inside US intelligence in opening the door of America and its intelligence agencies to clandestine penetration by bin Laden’s undercover men. They were equally efficient in covering these penetration agents’ tracks and keep them safe from exposure. When a protégé was discovered, the double agent protecting him – often a trusted American intelligence officer, like Ames – would be on hand to prevent him being brought to book, arguing that his fall would blow an entire vital American counter-intelligence network somewhere in the world, e.g. Southeast Asia, the Middle East, the Persian Gulf .

The result was an intelligence fraud of staggering proportions. Under the guise of recruiting agents able to undermine the enemy, hostile elements were introduced into key departments of American intelligence and US elite forces, where they dedicated themselves to betrayal and destroying these services from within. The fraudulent sell was achieved by putting a reverse spin on key figures and events.

The Osama bin Laden manifestation, for instance, was long presented by the double agents working undercover against the United States as a brilliant American intelligence penetration of the fundamentalist Islamic labyrinth. The transition of his headquarters and main force from Afghanistan to Sudan in 1994 won praise as a feat pulled off by Washington and Riyadh to persuade the Taliban to expel hostile extremists. US-based double agents and bin Laden’s men were given permission to help plan and execute the move.

Some of those penetration agents later jumped the fence and returned to their real master, bin Laden. The real significance of the Islamist network’s relocation was that it was spreading its wings and gathering momentum to spring on two goals: A. To amalgamate with the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, an operational partnership that gave the organization its most vibrant operational arm which functions to this day. B. To lift al Qaeda out of the narrow confines of Afghanistan and open up new terrain in the Horn and East Africa where jumping of bases were set up for operations in Arabia, Egypt and the Middle East at large.

The networks established in al Qaeda’s years in Sudan are at peak operational strength in 2003.

4. Bush Slams Lid on US Intelligence’s Pandora’s Box

According to Debka’s Washington sources, President George W. Bush believes that two senators are responsible for the profoundly intrusive approach to American intelligence adopted by the congressional inquiry – the Republican Richard Shelby, whose relations with CIA director George Tenet are adversarial, and a leading Democratic presidential nomination hopeful, Bob Graham.

The 28 critical pages cover not only Tenet’s term as CIA director but go back to an earlier period when he served as deputy director. Full publication could end his career in the CIA. With American forces hunting Saddam Hussein in Iraq closing in on their quarry, this would be the worst possible moment for the president to be confronted with a crisis at the top of US intelligence.

Tenet is also a key figure in the team made up also of secretary of state Colin Powell and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice for raising international troops to back up American forces in Iraq. The president has bought their thesis that foreign troops will only be forthcoming in conditions of relative calm in Iraq and neighboring Middle East countries. Any upsets in Syria, Lebanon, Israel or the Palestinian Authority, they say, will set Iraq on fire again. This is why Tenet acted to abort steps by John Bolton, secretary of state on disarmament, to pressure Damascus to give up the secrets of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction concealed in Syria and the Lebanese Beqaa Valley.

Vice president Richard Cheney, defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz – just back from touring Iraq – do not oppose cooling the pressure in principle as long as it gets results. But they believe military and diplomatic heat will produce more from the Syrians and Iranians. They are certain that the uncovering of Saddam’s unconventional weapons arsenal in Syria, or exposure of his illegal weapons programs as a part of a shared project financed additionally by Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Libya (See separate article on this) would turn developments round and vindicate their line of approach. In the meantime, all three are holding their peace out of loyalty to the president.

Bush himself treads carefully between the two camps. His plan to persuade former secretary of state James Baker to undertake defined tasks in Iraq - such as the rehabilitation of the national oil industry and the management of US-Iranian interchanges over Iraq - has run into serious obstacles.

Baker performed a number of unsung diplomatic missions for previous presidents, notably George Bush senior. He carried out the transformation of Mongolia from a sterile buffer between China and Russia into a thriving pro-American enclave and key American electronic intelligence-gathering base in that part of the world. Baker failed in his attempt to effect a similar metamorphosis in Western Sahara. At 73, he is not sure if he wants to undertake a physically taxing, long-term mission in Iraq.

The president is also loath to convey the impression that he cannot cope and needs to call out his father’s cavalry.

The 9/11 report has made a Baker appointment even less likely.

Its fallout will undoubtedly lead to demands for further inquiries against politicians and intelligence heads from the early 1990s, a Pandora’s Box best left unopened if possible. Recalling to government service a senior figure, who would have to face searching questions that might delve into his past intelligence associations, would play into the hands of the president’s rivals, chiefly Senator Graham of Florida.

Bush is certain that Graham, a central figure in the congressional inquiry, steered its conclusions towards a controversy that would dominate his bid for the presidency. The president axed the key 28 pages in order to prevent Graham holding them up as proof of the ineffectiveness of both presidents Bush in coping with al Qaeda and Iraq – not only in 2003, but as far back as 1991.

No part of the congressional report, including the blocked out section, answers the most important question: Has the American intelligence community reorganized and purged itself of the hostile intruders who snarled its operations up until the September 11 disasters? If it has, is US intelligence now capable of anticipating future terrorist attacks in time to take preventing action?


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; 911report; alqaeda; debka; graham; iraq; saudi
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Cheers to all. It's that time of the month to share again this transmission from my correspondent. It's a shame that there isn't some kind easy litmus test for truth. However, you all must make of this what you will.
1 posted on 08/01/2003 8:22:27 AM PDT by ElusiveSpondulix
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
For some reason I hardly believe, if it WAS leaked, that Debka would be the first to get it.
2 posted on 08/01/2003 8:24:24 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: ElusiveSpondulix

 

Debka...

 

Owl_Eagle

”Unleash the Hogs of Peace.”
P.J. O'Rourke Parliament of Whores

3 posted on 08/01/2003 8:26:28 AM PDT by South Hawthorne ("Fire can be our servant, whether it's toasting S'mores or raining down on Charlie"-Pcpl Skinner)
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To: Howlin
How could Rice be the one to rip to shreds over 9/11?

She must be a scary VP pick for the 2004 ticket as far as the dems are concerned.

4 posted on 08/01/2003 8:29:35 AM PDT by blackdog (Who weeps for the tuna?)
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To: Gabrielle Reilly
read later.
5 posted on 08/01/2003 8:33:15 AM PDT by Gabrielle Reilly
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
Well, this vindicates me and anyone else who said 'nuke mecca'. And medina, and Riyadh..

We should NOW to get back at these BASTARDS
6 posted on 08/01/2003 8:40:26 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: blackdog
I have NO idea; Chris Matthews is pushing that scenario, too!

And I agree about 2004.
7 posted on 08/01/2003 8:43:18 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: ElusiveSpondulix; Orion78; Noswad; lavaroise; Paul Ross; HighRoadToChina
I find the 1991 date particularly remarkable. That is when "the Soviet Union fell." Very interesting that this rash of double agency started then, assuming this is true. If this is true, the 28 pages if taken at face value ought to open additional avenues of inquiry into the very essence of our assumptions and understanding which underly the current orthodoxy that "the West won the Cold War."
8 posted on 08/01/2003 9:09:00 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
"the Saudis consistently deny American investigators access to suspects."

Wouldn't want any suspects to accidentally admit they are funded and hosted by the Princes....

9 posted on 08/01/2003 9:12:50 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Leave Pat, Leave!")
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
"Saudi funds continue to flow to al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in Europe and the Middle East"

Bump for truth.

10 posted on 08/01/2003 9:13:50 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Leave Pat, Leave!")
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
"the financing for at least two of the September 11 suicide hijackers came from two principal sources: ruling circles in Riyadh and close allies of Washington working out of the Saudi embassy in the heart of Foggy Bottom."
11 posted on 08/01/2003 9:15:44 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Leave Pat, Leave!")
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
"Saudi intelligence created, funded and armed the Taliban army of Afghanistan."
12 posted on 08/01/2003 9:18:14 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Leave Pat, Leave!")
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
CAVEAT LECTOR [Rick Brookhiser]
Debka.com, a site that Jonah has mentioned before, predicts sandstorms and snowstorms in Iraq; says the allies didn't bring enough troops; foresees a fierce fight for Baghdad. Maybe they are right — in my experience, they are right about half the time — but a word on them is in order.

Debka is the name of an Israeli folk dance. The site comes from Israel, and seems to run the leavings of Israeli intelligence. Some of their items are stuff that was new yesterday, and hence, though true, is no longer vital, and so gets passed on to Debka. Some of it is stuff that an intelligence officer said, "Why are you putting this crap on my desk? Give it to Debka!"

There is also a steady tone of marginally anti-American doomsaying. In the big picture, Debka supports the United States, thought 9/11 was terrorism, etc., etc. But in virtually every specific case, it takes the view that Americans are dumb cattle who don't know what they're doing. I assume this attitude is compounded from 1) the desire for sensationalist copy 2) Israeli arrogance — more common before the intafadas than now, but still sometimes surfacing: only we understand the region, only we know how to fight, and so forth and so on.

Posted at 09:47 PM

('The Corner' in National Review, March 23, 2003)
http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/corner.asp

This latest Debka 'exclusive' doesn't have the ring of truth to it.

I seriously doubt that a Republican-controlled committee would issue a report criticasl of Bush, especially in the run-up to an election year.

13 posted on 08/01/2003 9:29:01 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
Interesting read.
14 posted on 08/01/2003 9:40:54 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
"The president could not prevent the congressional committee sending out unexpurgated copies to a long list of recipients in and outside America. Several dozen full texts have reached a number of European and Middle Eastern capitals. "

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If this is true, it's high time we start trying those for treason, who release vital national security information.

My other comment is that,"Where were all the Republicans on the committee?!" to allow the Democrats to put in accusations, slander and highly sensitive information.
15 posted on 08/01/2003 11:09:54 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: belmont_mark
And of course what was Clinton doing during his 8 years about all this?
16 posted on 08/01/2003 11:12:03 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
for later
17 posted on 08/01/2003 11:36:46 AM PDT by malia
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To: quidnunc
"DEBKAfile’s War Diary is included in US Library of Congress historic collection of 2003 War on Iraq on Internet"

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If Debka is so unreliable, why do you think the Library of Congress decided to include Debka's reports?


18 posted on 08/01/2003 12:15:05 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Indeed, I find most of the allegations that have officially surfaced to be far more damaging to the past Clinton administration than to the current one. Why won't Bush defend his good honor? Oh, oh, I know. Need to move on. Win - win. Begin in a freindly way, and all that other Dale Carnegie Institute of Yellow Bellied Appeasement rot.
19 posted on 08/01/2003 12:18:12 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
I credit the Bush administration with yet ANOTHER piece of brilliant political manipulation (of his opponents).

The result of the 28 page blackouts is MORE congressional investigations, of the ROLE of Saudi Arabia, in funding and supporting terrorism.

Bush is using Congress to "out" Saudi Arabia. If it is later necessary to whack SA, it can be put forth as necessary by informaion investigated by Congress.

Bush will let the dems point toward those dastardly Saudis (and I believe them to be the worst).

Graham is NOT going anywhere, being a 2nd tier candidate. But the eventual dem candidate, could very well use a claim that Bush went soft on SA or has family ties with SA.

Later, when Bush whacks SA it will fit into a carefully orchestrated plot.

The visiting SA prince the other day, left KNOWING and revealing in his tone, that he knew he had been had.
20 posted on 08/01/2003 12:26:36 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
"A source who has read the entire report described those few pages as an incendiary concoction of highly sensitive intelligence materials relating to war, foreign relations, domestic politics and even the President’s campaign for reelection in 2004. Its connotations are potentially detrimental to the president and even more so to America’s world standing amid its preoccupations with two wars."

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Of course the Democrats couldn't care less, if they damage the US, just so they can somehow get Bush. They are not fit to hold ANY national office, much less the presidency.

21 posted on 08/01/2003 12:32:42 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
"It's DEBKA-man!

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

22 posted on 08/01/2003 12:36:17 PM PDT by mhking
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
Regardless of the veracity of this story, no one can say that the Saudis are smart.They have failed, with remarkable ineptness, to grasp how doomed their present State truly is since 9/11, and they still act like sheiks in the souk.Their sloth and decadence has made them...kaput.
23 posted on 08/01/2003 12:51:00 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: FairOpinion
FairOpinion wrote: ("DEBKAfile’s War Diary is included in US Library of Congress historic collection of 2003 War on Iraq on Internet") If Debka is so unreliable, why do you think the Library of Congress decided to include Debka's reports?

The Library of Congress collects all sorts of things, including some comic books.

I don't know what Debkafile's War Diary is but I'm assumiong it's a history of some sort; a far cry from their controversial and sensational intelligence bulletins such as this one.

Frankly I find the assertion that Senator Graham — a Democrat — could dictate that the Republicans include an anti-Bush section in the report to be nonsensical.

Until I am shown convincing evidence to the contrary I consider this Debksfile report to be bullCENSORED.

24 posted on 08/01/2003 12:51:05 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
The Ex Congressman John Kasich said on Hannity & Colmes the other day that it would be posted on the internet in a couple of days..... Guess he was right.
25 posted on 08/01/2003 1:03:01 PM PDT by b4its2late (I am a partisan. Part right and the other part right.)
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To: FairOpinion
"If Debka is so unreliable, why do you think the Library of Congress decided to include Debka's reports? "

Maybe it's filed away in the "Humor" section...
26 posted on 08/01/2003 1:13:40 PM PDT by honeygrl (Vote for Ozzy California!)
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
bump for later
27 posted on 08/01/2003 1:17:46 PM PDT by DeepInEnemyTerritory
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To: quidnunc
Thank you, for possibly the best synopsis on Debka I have seen yet.

This "report" keeps moshing around dates, like 1991, 2001, 2002, et al.

Conspicuously absent are the dates 1993 - 2001!

Now, how could that be?

28 posted on 08/01/2003 2:39:52 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Serving You - on Operation Noble Eagle!)
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To: Monty22
Agreed, Monty22--

I have always held forth that we should have turned keys no later than 9/12.

No religion, no shrines, no martyrs

Keep the Faith for Freedom

Greg

29 posted on 08/01/2003 3:11:02 PM PDT by gwmoore (As the Russian manual for the Nagant Revolver states: "Target Practice: "at the deserter, FIRE")
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To: mhking
It's DEBKA-man!

ROFLMAO Debka man is hilarious! And apposite.

30 posted on 08/01/2003 3:13:44 PM PDT by PianoMan (Ignore anything I post after midnight)
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To: Old Sarge
Here's an article I just posted concerning Debka's reliability:

To Read This Thread Click Here

31 posted on 08/01/2003 3:40:55 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: FairOpinion
My other comment is that,"Where were all the Republicans on the committee?!" to allow the Democrats to put in accusations, slander and highly sensitive information.

Shelby and Graham have agendas. Even before the latter announced his bid for the White House he opposed action in Iraq saying that it would divert the resources necessary to fight terrorism. Shelby, on the other hand, has it in for Tenet. I think both would look to prove their points in their investigation.

The Cold War didn't simply vanish it went to other fronts with the same pawns (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc.) Look at France with their Cold War superpower rhetoric and need to conter-balance the United States. Their failure to support action in Iraq is rooted in this view.

If all those 28 pages did were embarrass the President or put him or his chief advisors on the hot seat, I think they would be released. What's in there is probably very damning to the Saudis, but that isn't a battle the President is able to wage right now. We need, for a number of reasons, to deal with them. Their time will come though.

32 posted on 08/01/2003 3:48:46 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: quidnunc
"(Debka)...has grown exponentially in size and buzz, now reaching approximately 150,000 regular readers and receiving over 1.2 million hits each week. The majority of the site's audience is American, with 30% logging on from Israel and another 8% from 96 other countries throughout the world.


Debkafile is self-supporting, establishing a revenue stream with subscriptions to its weekly e-mail newsletter (there are now several 100 readers paying $120 each year to receive in-depth analysis, details, and prognoses via e-mail that cannot be found on the Web site), along with money made by providing a customized news service for individuals and corporations.


Readers include military and intelligence officials, financial and academic leaders, as well as interested students and curious skeptics.

Although the Observer allowed that the accuracy of Debkafile’s information is difficult to assess, it noted that the site must be doing something right if so many military and intelligence officials, as well as journalists make up its core audience. "

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Above excerpt is from the article at the link you gave, which in general tries to bash Debka. BUT... A lot of influential people not only read Debka, but PAY, to read it. All those people wouldn't be paying out good money, if they didn't think it was worth it. Also intelligence officers wouldn't bother to read it, if it were pure fiction.

33 posted on 08/01/2003 3:59:57 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
FairOpinion wrote: BUT... A lot of influential people not only read Debka, but PAY, to read it. All those people wouldn't be paying out good money, if they didn't think it was worth it. Also intelligence officers wouldn't bother to read it, if it were pure fiction.

A lot of people pay to read the National Enquirer too.

34 posted on 08/01/2003 4:03:15 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: b4its2late
If full copies have been given to Americans and foreign people, it would aready be online.

It isn't.
35 posted on 08/01/2003 4:35:13 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: All
Can't believe there's people at Free Republic who actually believe a word of what DEBKA says [laughing outloud].
36 posted on 08/01/2003 4:39:38 PM PDT by Terp (Retired US Navy now living in Philippines were the Moutains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: rwfromkansas
FWIW, according to FOX's Judge Napolitano, any sen. who wanted to put this info out could: All the senator would have to do is read from the report while on the floor of the Senate and the senator couldn't be prosecuted criminally. There's a provision in the Constitution that prohibits arrest for anything said there.
37 posted on 08/01/2003 4:40:00 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Terp
The consensus around the blogsphere seems to be that Debka is a rumor mill which may be more-or-less right 50% of the time.

The problem lies is deciding which 50% to believe.

38 posted on 08/01/2003 4:49:48 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
I rarely take the time to read their stuff - none of it ever pans out.

One thing I did notice while scanning though it - none of the dates occured during Bush's term in office - THE DEMS WILL NOT BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT - THEY WERE SO HOPING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF "SMOKING GUN" TO USE AGAINST BUSH!!
39 posted on 08/01/2003 5:08:31 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - "The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth")
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To: mewzilla
Couldn't he be ordered to stop speaking?
40 posted on 08/01/2003 5:14:51 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: rwfromkansas
He could if it was in session, I guess. I'm not sure about procedure. I think the point the judge was trying to make is that if they really wanted it out, they could do it. With impunity, at least criminally speaking. Someone should ask the folks who want it released the next time they're kvetching about it. As for me, I'm willing to trust 43 on this. If he wants it kept secret for now, fine by me. Though now that members of the Senate have seen it, it might as well be made public.
41 posted on 08/01/2003 5:21:56 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
Horsehockey. The kids at Debka must have such fun putting this stuff together. They have a real knack for slipping alarmist language into everything they do. Too bad their reliability and accuracy rate is somewhere down around 10%.
42 posted on 08/01/2003 5:41:39 PM PDT by beckett
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To: rwfromkansas
You're probably right. But we'll see sooner or later how correct or incorrect they were.
43 posted on 08/01/2003 5:53:47 PM PDT by b4its2late (I am a partisan. Part right and the other part right.)
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To: rwfromkansas
particularly the Democratic lawmakers on the inquiry body, had not confined themselves to probing into the intelligence failings leading up to the attacks but broadened the scope of the inquiry to fashion a weapon for use in the vendetta waged against him since he decided to go to war on Iraq, as well as generating fodder for his rivals in the up-and-coming election campaign. This weapon, he believed, was also aimed at the heads of his inner circle of advisers: vice president Richard Cheney, CIA director George Tenet, FBI chief Robert Mueller and the senior White House staff, especially national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

This is most likely accurate..

44 posted on 08/01/2003 5:55:56 PM PDT by b4its2late (I am a partisan. Part right and the other part right.)
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
They manufactured a crisis to give themselves a chance to say loud and clear for all to hear that the allegations in the unpunished section were lies. It was important for the royal house to demonstrate to Saudi religious and tribal leaders, as well as to al Qaeda supporters at home - overt and clandestine – that Riyadh will brook no accusations such as are contained in the report and is doing everything in its power to fend them off.

This might even be true. It's like when cops, frustrated by a Mafia figure's refusal to talk, make a big show of escorting him to the front of the police station wearing big smiles, patting him on the back, and shaking his hand - a performance for the benefit of the Mafia informants who are in the neighborhood and watching.

By classifying material that might in fact be harmless, Bush is putting the Saudi government's Al Qaeda collaborators in the very diffcult spot of having to explain to bin Laden and the boys just what they might have told the US government about their operations.

45 posted on 08/01/2003 6:05:28 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
If there is any administration to blame for 911, it is the Clinton administration! Real facts are out there about their total lack of attention to the threats, and to the actual attacks pulled off while he was in office. I am furious that anyone would dare try to blame the Bush White House, and I am sick of this campaign of lies and dirty tricks!
46 posted on 08/01/2003 6:07:48 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: b4its2late
It does seem very plausible. That Graham guy rubs me the wrong way and he goes out of his way to try to harm the President.
47 posted on 08/01/2003 6:32:25 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: rwfromkansas
Agreed. Graham is scum. And so are the other 8, for the most part.
48 posted on 08/01/2003 6:51:42 PM PDT by b4its2late (I am a partisan. Part right and the other part right.)
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To: ElusiveSpondulix
Does anyone with half a brain (leaving out most if not all Democrats) not know what's in those 28 pages?

Does anyone not know that "foreign country" was and is Saudi Arabia?

Sen. Bob "Leak 'em if you've got 'em" Graham gave the entire content to Brit Hume on FoxNews Sunday last week and did the wink and nod. He even said, "it's illegal for me to mention the unnamed foreign country"...wink, wink, nod, nod "say no more, say more".

Leaking intelligence material illegally hasn't ever stopped him before. I pray he's still delusional enough to think he could win the Dem primary (or VP choice) so he'll have to pull out of the Florida senate race in 2004.

49 posted on 08/01/2003 6:56:26 PM PDT by Fledermaus (DimbulbRats have a mental disease - Arrested Brain Development.)
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To: ladyinred
The Clinton administration did away with background checks and security level clearances. This has to rebound back to him in some way.
50 posted on 08/01/2003 9:26:34 PM PDT by swheats
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