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Laying down the law
Charleston.Net ^ | 02 August 2003 | STEVE REEVES

Posted on 08/02/2003 11:25:58 AM PDT by Deadeye Division

Laying down the law

Fed up with crime, 67-year-old man fires on 3 engaged in
shootout in his front yard

BY STEVE REEVES
Of The Post and Courier Staff
The last time police came by his Tripe Street home to investigate complaints about drug dealing in the West Ashley neighborhood, William Gates made it clear to them that he had had enough.

"I told the police, 'Bring the coroner and body bags the next time you come out here,' " he said. "Nobody is going to run me out of my home."

The coroner and body bags weren't needed Friday morning because when Gates made good on his statement, he only wounded the men he shot. But it wasn't for lack of trying.

"I shot to kill," he said. "I'm not going to lie to you."

Roused from his sleep by the sound of gunfire about 4:30 a.m. Friday, the 67-year-old Gates took up his 12-gauge Browning automatic shotgun, stepped out onto his front porch and fired three blasts at men he said were drug dealers having a shootout in his front yard.

When the shooting stopped, three men lay wounded. Gates is said to have hit two of them, and the third is thought to have been hit during the initial shootout.

Gates, a semi-retired brick mason who drives a battered blue Chevrolet S-10 pickup truck with an airbrushed tag on the front bumper that says "Godfather," said Friday afternoon that he was only protecting his wife and house from what he describes as out-of-control neighborhood thugs in their teens and 20s who drink beer and sell and take drugs in his yard. He said gunshots fired near his house during drug-related disputes are a common occurrence.

"I had had enough," he said. "If I have to go to jail, so be it."

While police did not publicly approve of what Gates did, they filed no charges against him Friday.

"We have no plans to arrest him," Charleston Police Chief Reuben Greenberg said. "We can't see from where we sit where a crime's been committed. People have the right to provide for their safety, and we believe that is what he was doing."

Greenberg said the decision on whether Gates will be charged will be made by the solicitor's office, a decision likely to come early next week. Meanwhile, Greenberg said police patrols in the neighborhood will be increased.

Gates was born in the house on Tripe Street. It was his parent's house, and they passed it on to him when they died.

Tripe Street was a good part of the neighborhood at one time, Gates said, but began going downhill fast about 10 years ago. The narrow, tree-lined street is home to many houses that have seen better times and, according to police, the area is a magnet for illegal activity, much of it drug related.

"Drugs, stealing, a little bit of everything," said Gates' wife, Yvonne.

She said that last year someone fired a shot through their living room. The bullet hole can be seen in the wall that faces the street.

"The good Lord was with me that day because I had just moved my grandbaby from that couch," Yvonne Gates said. "She would have been killed because the bullet hit the couch."

The Gateses' yard is littered with empty 32-ounce beer cans and other trash they say was put there by the young people who loiter in the area until the early hours of the morning.

William Gates' anger finally reached critical mass early Friday morning when he and his wife were awakened by the gunshots, which police say was likely the result of a dispute over drugs, outside their bedroom window.

Gates said he heard his wife yell and fall to the floor.

"I thought they shot my wife," he said. "I went and got my gun and fired three shots."

Investigators were trying to determine exactly who shot whom, but it is known that Kevin Hazel, 27, was found lying in the bushes in front of the Gateses' house. He had been shot in the back with a 9 mm pistol. Matez Hazel, 24, and Christopher Hampton, 22, both suffered shotgun wounds.

All three were in intensive care recovering from their wounds. Police said Friday they don't know yet whether the three men, all of whom previously have been in trouble with the law for drugs, will be charged with any crimes.

Police found a 9 mm handgun and three spent shell casings next to Matez Hazel, and said he had a small amount of marijuana wrapped in a $5 bill in his sock.

Gates, who is an avid hunter and proudly displays two large mounted deer heads among the photographs of children and grandchildren in his living room, had all seven of the guns he owns confiscated by the police until their investigation is complete. He vows that he will be ready if friends of the three men try to retaliate, and he smiled as he said he planned to acquire a gun to protect himself.

"They better make sure they get me if they come back, because if they don't get me, I'm going to kill all of them," Gates said. "I'm 67 and don't have that long to live anyway."

Gates said all he wants is peace and quiet and to be able to come home to his wife and not see drugs being sold in front of his house. He said he refuses to move.

"Why should I go?" he said. "I'd sooner be dead."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: banglist; wodlist

1 posted on 08/02/2003 11:25:58 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: *bang_list
Bang
2 posted on 08/02/2003 11:27:18 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: Deadeye Division
Greenberg's good to go. I've read a lot of good things about him, and seen him on TV a time or two.
3 posted on 08/02/2003 11:32:02 AM PDT by Ed Straker
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To: Deadeye Division
had all seven of the guns he owns confiscated by the police until their investigation is complete.

That sucks. I hope he has one cached somewhere.

4 posted on 08/02/2003 11:33:30 AM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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To: Mulder
From the article it sounded like he was planning on re-arming as soon as possible. That's a good thing, since I doubt that he'll ever see any of the confiscated guns again -- though that a black man is now completely unable to defend himself against armed drug dealers should make a lot of liberals very happy.
5 posted on 08/02/2003 11:47:20 AM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: Deadeye Division
"32-ounce beer cans", that's a quart???

A clasic good triumphs over evil story.

Molon Labe!

6 posted on 08/02/2003 12:14:32 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR (Don't tread on me!)
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To: Dimensio
Didn't see his race mentioned in the article. Did I miss something?
7 posted on 08/02/2003 12:22:08 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: TERMINATTOR
"32-ounce beer cans", that's a quart???

Looks like the "homies" are gonna be pourin' out a little of the 40's for the other homies that didn't make it.
See History of 40oz. Tipping

8 posted on 08/02/2003 12:24:16 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Deadeye Division
Police said Friday they don't know yet whether the three men, all of whom previously have been in trouble with the law for drugs, will be charged with any crimes.

Gee, it seems pretty obvious that all three of them need to be charged with trespassing, for starters.

9 posted on 08/02/2003 12:45:22 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Deadeye Division
i>Gates is said to have hit two of them

2 hit for 3 shots, at night in the middle of a firefight. Not bad, not bad at all. Still room for improvement of course. 3 dead for 3 shots is the ideal to aim for for.

The police had no business confiscating this guy's guns. If he's not even suspected of a crime, and he'd have been arrested himself if there was any evidence of a crime, then he not only needs to have his guns, he has enemies you know, he has a right to keep and bear them under the US and South Carolina Constitutions (whose RKBA provision is identical to the second amendment) Did they provide a 24/7 armed guard on his house? I sort of doubt it.

This guy is a liberal's worse nightmare. A law abiding Black citizen with a gun and the will to use it to defend himself.

10 posted on 08/02/2003 12:48:11 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Hugin
YALONDA M. JAMES/STAFF William Gates of West Ashley talks about how he fired a 12-gauge shotgun three times early Friday at three men who were having a shootout in his front yard. Gates apparently wounded two of the men, who he said were drug dealers.
11 posted on 08/02/2003 1:04:40 PM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: Deadeye Division
his 12-gauge Browning automatic shotgun

One of my favorites, with an adjustable choke. Had a matching set. 12g and 20g years ago.

FMCDH

12 posted on 08/02/2003 1:31:30 PM PDT by nothingnew (the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
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To: Hugin
Follow the article link, you'll see a picture of the subject of the story.
13 posted on 08/02/2003 1:45:41 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: El Gato
2 hit for 3 shots, at night in the middle of a firefight. Not bad, not bad at all. Still room for improvement of course. 3 dead for 3 shots is the ideal to aim for for.

Accordiing to the story one was probably already down before Gates started firing. As for dead vs. wounded, the article doesn't say what kind of shells he had in his gun. But since he is a hunter it may well have been birdshot. I have a feeling if it was buckshot they would be dead.

14 posted on 08/02/2003 1:57:26 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Deadeye Division
Is this South Carolina?
15 posted on 08/02/2003 2:46:41 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Soccer Mom's flee the Rats for Bush in his flight suit: I call this the Moisture Factor. MF high!)
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To: big ern
Yes
16 posted on 08/02/2003 2:53:11 PM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: Deadeye Division
I just composed a short note to Mr. Gates. I don't have the full address or the zip but I'm sending it to

William Gates
Tripe Street
West Ashley
South Carolina.

If someone knows more of his address send it to me. Especially the Zip Code.

17 posted on 08/02/2003 3:13:30 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Soccer Mom's flee the Rats for Bush in his flight suit: I call this the Moisture Factor. MF high!)
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To: El Gato
Reuben Greenberg is a liberal's worst nightmare too:

Successful police chief Reuben Greenberg of Charleston, South Carolina, said in a June, 1994 interview with Rush Limbaugh:

You know, the root causes of crime were supposed to be poverty, unemployment, a poor education, this, that, and the other. Yet 90% of the people with those same characteristics, both blacks and whites, somehow never wound up in the criminal justice system. So I started orienting ourselves toward the protection of those who follow the rules and regulations of society, rather than those who would victimize other people in the community. It is not an excuse to say, "Well I came from the wrong side of town, and I am black, and my great-grandfather was owned by this person." Yeah, that’s true, but these other guys had great-grandfathers who were owned by this person as well, but they are not criminals. They are out working and paying taxes.
The first step in restoring law and order is to recognize that a lack of money and opportunity does not cause crime. A lack of values causes crime. Only by firmly focusing on the real cause can a solution be achieved."

I lived in W.A. for about 6 years, the last 2 less than a mile up from Tripe St. My kids went to school just a few blocks away. It's too bad that neighborhood has gotten crappier.


18 posted on 08/02/2003 3:56:39 PM PDT by visualops (The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.)
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To: Deadeye Division
Good for him.
19 posted on 08/02/2003 4:28:30 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: big ern
Thanks to the two freepers that helped me with the address. I normally just look that stuff up myself but I've been remodeling a bathroom since Thursday and had to finish it before I went back to work on Sunday.

Yes, it came out nicely because my wife picked out the colors and I did the work. If you try it any other way it's gonna suck when it's done.
20 posted on 08/02/2003 8:50:25 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Soccer Mom's flee the Rats for Bush in his flight suit: I call this the Moisture Factor. MF high!)
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To: Mulder
Bump
21 posted on 08/02/2003 8:50:53 PM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: Deadeye Division
If you're local, please keep us updated on Mr. Gates' situation.
22 posted on 08/03/2003 5:12:58 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Deadeye Division; *Wod_list; jmc813
No moonshiners having shootouts on people's lawns? I wonder why not ....
23 posted on 08/04/2003 7:25:38 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Deadeye Division
Browning Gold 12 gauge:


24 posted on 08/04/2003 5:13:29 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; Bill D. Berger; ..
WOD Ping
25 posted on 08/05/2003 7:17:38 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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