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ON A RESONANCE THEORY OF THOUGHT AND SPIRITUALITY
Karl Jaspers Forum ^ | August 21, 2001 | Varadaraja V. Raman

Posted on 08/02/2003 4:43:59 PM PDT by betty boop

ON A RESONANCE THEORY OF THOUGHT AND SPIRITUALITY


by Varadaraja V. Raman


The following theory is proposed to explain the observed phenomena of thought and spiritual/mystical experience/creativity:

PROBLEM:
(a) Thought is the subtlest emergent entity from the human brain. As of now, though it is taken to arise from complex biochemical (neuronal) processes in the brain, we have no means of detecting any physical aspect of thought.

(b) All sensory experiences (light, sound, smell, taste, sound) result from an interaction between an external agent (photon, phonon, etc.) and some aspect of the brain.

HYPOTHESIS:
(a) It is proposed that, like the electromagnetic field, there is an extremely subtle substratum pervading the universe which may be called the universal thought field (UTF). This may even be trans-physical, i.e., something that cannot be detected by ordinary physical instruments. Or it may be physical and has not yet been detected as such.

(b) Every thought generated in the brain creates its own particular thought field (PTF).

Theory based on the above hypotheses:
(a) Just as EM waves require the complex structure of the brain to be transduced into the experience of light and color, the UTF requires the complex system of the human brain to create local thoughts. In other words, when the UTF interacts with certain regions of the brain, thoughts arise as by-products.

(b) Interactions between PTFs and brains generate other PTFs. Indeed every thought is a different reaction-result to either the UTF or to a PTF.

(c) There is an important difference between UTF and PTF. UTF does not require a material medium for acting upon a brain. But a PTF cannot be transmitted from one brain to another without a material medium, such as sound, writing, signs, etc.

(d) In some instances, as with molecular resonance, certain brains are able to resonate with the UTF in various universal modes. Such resonances constitute revelations, magnificent epic poetry, great musical compositions, discovery of a mathematical theorem in a dream, and the like, as also mystic experiences.

(e) This perspective suggests that there can be no thought without a complex brain (well known fact); and more importantly, that there exists a pure thought field (UTF) in the universe at large which may be responsible for the physical universe to be functioning in accordance with mathematically precise laws.

ANALOGIES:
The following parallels with other physical facts come to mind:

(a) Phosphorescence & luminescence: When radiation of shorter wavelengths falls on certain substances, the substances emit visible light immediately or after some time. Likewise when the UTF falls on a complex cerebral system, it emits thoughts of one kind or another.

(b) One of the subtlest entities in the physical universe is the neutrino, which does not interact with ordinary matter through gravitation, strong, or electromagnetic interaction. Being involved only in the weak interaction, it is extremely difficult to detect it. The UTF is subtler by far than the neutrino, and may therefore (if it be purely physical) it may be far more difficult to detect.



Prof. Varadaraja V. Raman
Physics Department, Rochester Institute of Technology
e-mail VVRSPS@ritvax.isc.rit.edu



KARL JASPERS FORUM
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ON A RESONANCE THEORY OF THOUGHT AND SPIRITUALITY
by Varadaraja V. Raman
18 June 2001, posted 21 August 2001
 


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: brain; consciousness; faithandphilosophy; mind; quantumfields; spirit; spirituality; thought
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To: whattajoke; Phaedrus
Until proven otherwise, this is pseudo-science.

I hope you don't mean the delayed choice quantum eraser.

201 posted on 08/08/2003 11:34:00 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: RightWhale; betty boop
By any chance are you speaking of the search at Fermilab? In search of extra dimensions
202 posted on 08/08/2003 11:36:25 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Thank you so very much! And I certainly agree with everything you said!

Somewhere around here I have some Jewish thinking on the subject, that we are expected to explore, appreciate and wonder at His creation. The paper indicated that the only criticism in heaven would be a lack of curiosity.

203 posted on 08/08/2003 11:39:37 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I believe it's in Italy, although other labs are working on the idea.
204 posted on 08/08/2003 11:43:35 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RightWhale
Thank you for the lead! Can you narrow it down for my search? A link, a name, a phrase?
205 posted on 08/08/2003 11:47:45 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I'm getting something. A word. Yes, a word! FreeRepublic thread. Old one. Superstring.
206 posted on 08/08/2003 11:51:10 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: js1138
I liked this part:

What is "the speed of thought?" If he's referring to how fast can a person think (i.e. how rapidly can a mind create different thoughts or concepts), then that is a rate, NOT a speed. If he is referring to how rapidly can thoughts, information, ideas, etc. be communicated from one mind to another by any process, that's still limited to less than the speed of light. (I cannot inform my friend on Sirius (which is 9 light years away) of my breakthrough in physics for another 9 years. That's how long the signal sent out today will take to get there.) "The speed of thought" is a meaningless (but glib sounding!) concept in this sentence. This is a classic example of Dirac's complaint about something being so bad "it's not even wrong."

207 posted on 08/08/2003 11:51:41 AM PDT by balrog666 (Religions change; beer and wine remain.)
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To: RightWhale; Alamo-Girl
The extra dimensions are invisible to us because they are very tiny and operate only on subatomic size regions.

Hmmmmmmm.... Maybe the reason that they are invisible to us is not because they're [it's] so tiny, but because they're [it's] so vast? Grandpierre suggests that neurons per se cannot be the mediators of a brain interacting with another brain or nervous system, simply because they are "too large" to be the material carriers of such transmissions. The same holds for cells, molecules, and even atoms. What we're looking for is to be found at least at subatomic, but more likely, at particle/wave levels. Does multistring theory suggest that a teensy little "time window" (extra dimension) must open up to enable wave propagation, and then must close again -- disappear -- once that process is complete? Seems like doing things "the hard way" to me. Kinda kludgey!

But I really don't know; as you say, all this is hypothetical at this point. But I agree with you: a revolution in Galilean science could ensue any time now. We just don't know what that looks like yet!

Thank you so much for writing, RightWhale.

208 posted on 08/08/2003 11:53:40 AM PDT by betty boop (We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
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To: whattajoke; AndrewC
There is tons of evidence for the efficacy of ESP. It just doesn't fit into the boxes and cubbyholes of the current Materialistic paradigm. Can't duplicate it in the lab? Doesn't mean it isn't real. Dean Radin writes a well-documented book about currently unexplainable effects (by Materialistic science)? Fine, ignore it. Minds do definitely need to be opened. Denial is not an adequate response to the "unexplainable". And the sky won't fall if we are willing to admit ALL that there is into the realm of scientific consideration.
209 posted on 08/08/2003 11:59:04 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: balrog666
Thank you for reading my post.
210 posted on 08/08/2003 12:01:20 PM PDT by js1138
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To: RightWhale
LOLOL! If you do remember something I'd appreciate it, because dimensionality is one of my favorite subjects.
211 posted on 08/08/2003 12:02:31 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; All
Exactly, A-G (bb is catching up, through a fast slew of posts here; I bet she's at the office, too).

Indeed, and we also have physical limitations. IMHO, one of the most interesting physical limitations is in our vision. We are limited in the number of dimensions we can see. Perhaps that causes a limitation in comprehending higher dimensional dynamics - or perhaps that is yet another such limitation of our mind.

Yes. And it is a 'hypothesis' I regard, that at least much of the time when we have spiritual perceptions, we are utilizing... actually drawing from the perceptors and natures of spirit(s)-other, not just spirit-self. I think this too is explanatory. It is also quite sobering, when we realize that there are only two kinds of spirits we are told about, and these are very acutely distinct in their intentions. So, empiricists of "anima" and "resonance" be aware.

I truly hope that the Relational Nature of... nature and the supernatural is not disregarded. It is our fundamental nature, so I believe we are told --the fundamental nature of all that is. And one may be related with the Intently Benign Source, or with that which is intently harmful.

I suspect such physical limitations were intentional and wonder if they may keep us from being aware of what is going on around us, spiritually speaking and in terms of "all that there is."

Yes, indeed. We are responsible for that with which we are responsible. I used to be involved in a church fellowship that tried to turn our set of responsibilities inside out, as if we were responsible to see and know about vicissitudes spiritual! Shoot, we have enough trouble telling the weather, much less guessing what is going on in that realm of breeze and breath.

So let's regard the signs. When it comes to this subject matter, we find that where there is a sign, "HERE BE DRAGONS," that sign is true and dragons have powers beyond our comprehension. Thankfully, the Lord rules, but that is not a panacea for those who disregard the terms of His contract (a.k.a., Logos, Covenant) and the safe boundaries to which it/He refers -- wheter knowingly or otherwise.

212 posted on 08/08/2003 12:03:46 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: Alamo-Girl
By any chance are you speaking of the search at Fermilab?

I don't know about this search, but I've searched for a place near Fermilab and it can be a pain, to try to drive around that place! I was late to a sales meeting!

213 posted on 08/08/2003 12:05:47 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: Phaedrus
Can't duplicate it in the lab?

The occurrance rate of ESP and relate psychic phenomena is always inversely proportional to the degree of care taken in observation -- laboratory or no. The mere presence of a trained stage magician supervising any attempt to demonstrate ESP guarantees the absense of the phenomena.

214 posted on 08/08/2003 12:07:29 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138; Phaedrus
The mere presence of a trained stage magician supervising any attempt to demonstrate ESP guarantees the absense of the phenomena.

Hmm.... I suspect that dogs and pidgeons are impervious to stage magicians, even if humans are intimidated.

215 posted on 08/08/2003 12:12:07 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: js1138
The occurrance rate of ESP and relate psychic phenomena is always inversely proportional to the degree of care taken in observation -- laboratory or no.

This is just not so, js1138. ESP is an embarrassing unexplainable to modern science, is what I'm hearing. I would go so far as to say that most if not all experience it.

216 posted on 08/08/2003 12:12:26 PM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: Phaedrus
I'v managed to live going on six decades without hearing a first or second hand report of ESP.
217 posted on 08/08/2003 12:15:55 PM PDT by js1138
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To: unspun
Dogs and pigeons -- have I missed anything in the scientific literature?
218 posted on 08/08/2003 12:16:46 PM PDT by js1138
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To: betty boop; RightWhale; AndrewC
Thank you so much for your post!

You are sooo close to an article I recently read, that I can probably find again if you are interested - though I'd have to look for it over the weekend most likely. The meat of the article was that the dimension we call time is the consequence of wave function. That puts the time dimension question in the ballpark of Quantum Field Theory - hence the connection. Or as AndrewC once said (paraphrased) when something moves, everything moves.

219 posted on 08/08/2003 12:18:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: js1138
Good question. I don't know what you've read, but I've been doing a little reading about the observed behavior of some animals, unexplained by physical laws.
220 posted on 08/08/2003 12:19:01 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: js1138
...by physical laws that we've known.
221 posted on 08/08/2003 12:19:19 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: js1138
My mom had ESP, she could see out the back of her head.

I couldn't get away with diddly squat with her around. ;)
222 posted on 08/08/2003 12:19:56 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: unspun
Thank you so much for your post and your agreement on those major issues!

So let's regard the signs. When it comes to this subject matter, we find that where there is a sign, "HERE BE DRAGONS," that sign is true and dragons have powers beyond our comprehension. Thankfully, the Lord rules, but that is not a panacea for those who disregard the terms of His contract (a.k.a., Logos, Covenant) and the safe boundaries to which it/He refers -- wheter knowingly or otherwise.

Not everyone has been given the gift of being able to discern the spirits (I Corinthians 12:10). IMHO, if a person does not have that gift, he could get into dangerous, deep water where "there be dragons" by trying to do so.

OTOH, the gifts are given for a purpose to complete the body of Christ. So if one has this gift, it ought to be used to the glory of God.

My two cents...

223 posted on 08/08/2003 12:28:29 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Aric2000
The mother's third eye is an actual physical fact, unlike the rest of this pseudoscientific crap.

Is it still the eighth?
224 posted on 08/08/2003 12:29:17 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
I'v managed to live going on six decades without hearing a first or second hand report of ESP.

You may have missed some of the reports from the DNC that explain what the President is thinking.

225 posted on 08/08/2003 12:29:42 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: js1138
According to some, and I have actually witnessed this, so it is me as well, just before an earthquake, most animals will A: cower in a corner, hide under a bed, or otherwise seek come sort of cover, and B become VERY quiet, just before the last quake we had, I knew it was coming because my dog tried to squeeze herself under my bed, she's half Dobie half lab, so it was not gonna work.

Anyway, some have theorized, that just before an earthquake the local magnetic fields shift slightly from the coming breakout, and the animals are sensitive to this change in magnetic field within or near the center of the earthquake.

I have no idea whether this is true, but I have come to trust my dogs instincts.
226 posted on 08/08/2003 12:30:08 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: js1138
Yep, it's still the 8th, you're safe!! ;) LOL
227 posted on 08/08/2003 12:33:04 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
just before an earthquake, most animals will A: cower

The recent 7.3 earthquake in Alaska, my dog did nothing for the first 10 seconds, then looked around for the next 20 seconds. After it was over, she sniffed suspiciously around her doghouse for a few minutes, caught a vole, then went back to her nap. Unusual? No, voles are naturally ingenuous.

228 posted on 08/08/2003 12:38:47 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Alamo-Girl
You are sooo close to an article I recently read, that I can probably find again if you are interested - though I'd have to look for it over the weekend most likely.

A-G, if it's not too much trouble, I'd love to read that article! But no hurry if you're busy with other things this weekend. Thank you so much!

229 posted on 08/08/2003 12:39:53 PM PDT by betty boop (We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
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To: Aric2000
I've heard conflicting stories about animasl and earthquakes. For example, How much time elapses between the animal warning and the quake? Are they feeling vibrations that humans don't notice? Are they actually prior to events recorded by seismographs? Do they happen at all, and has there ever been a film record with an accurate clock recorded on the film?
230 posted on 08/08/2003 12:40:34 PM PDT by js1138
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To: unspun
I bet she's at the office, too.

Shhhh, Brother A! Don't tell anyone! (I'm "multi-tasking" today....)

231 posted on 08/08/2003 12:42:15 PM PDT by betty boop (We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
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To: betty boop
I will look for it then! The only reason I said this weekend is that I do expect quite a few posts today and tomorrow as people are getting used to "the" agreement and blowing off steam. Hugs!!!
232 posted on 08/08/2003 12:44:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: js1138
I would NEVER claim that it is at all scientific, not EVER, do not get me wrong here.

All I know is that just before an earthquake, my dog flips her lid, maybe she does feel the vibration or whatever before I do, but when she tried to cram herself under my bed, I knew that there was a problem.
233 posted on 08/08/2003 12:53:10 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Alamo-Girl
OTOH, the gifts are given for a purpose to complete the body of Christ. So if one has this gift, it ought to be used to the glory of God. My two cents...

Gifts are used for the glory of God when used wisely, within one's sphere of responsibility and competence, wouldn't you say? And gifts do not guarantee adequacy for all situations for which we would desire them (e.g., Jesus in was it Nazareth? Bethsaida?).

When it comes to the nine GOTS, from what I've seen it gets inherently wayward when we try to do the driving ourselves.

Also, there seem at least two kinds of "discernment" mentioned in the Bible. One may be to actually recognize spirits. Another for sure, is to be granted with wisdom so as to discern what is, how it is, why it is, etc., within our aforementioned sphere(s).

234 posted on 08/08/2003 12:57:39 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: js1138
If you've seen animals react before an earthquake, I accept that as grounds for a scientific investigation. My questions are as before. Is there something that could be recorded that is simply to subtle for humans to notice?
235 posted on 08/08/2003 1:05:10 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Alamo-Girl
Whenever you get the chance, A-G. No hurry.... Thank you!
236 posted on 08/08/2003 1:08:17 PM PDT by betty boop (We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
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To: unspun
Thank you so much for your post!

I think we are probably fairly close to agreement on this point. I see it like the gift of Faith versus the grace of Faith.

Everyone who is a Christian has the grace of Faith - i.e. they believe. But only a few have the gift of Faith which goes way beyond the usual to answered prayers, healing, etc.

Likewise we all have the grace to discern the Spirit who indwells us. But only a few have the gift of spiritual discernment, which goes way beyond the usual enabling one to be aware of the spiritual realm.

237 posted on 08/08/2003 1:09:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Phaedrus
There is tons of evidence for the efficacy of ESP.

Phaedrus, I have to admit that I have now lost all respect I had for you. "Tons?" Do please show me a micron of evidence and I will have James Randi give you a million dollars, cold hard cash. The only "unexplainable" thing regarding ESP is the fact that some people believe it exists!

what's next, you're gonna tell me you just knew I was a Taurus or something because of my attitude?
238 posted on 08/08/2003 1:17:29 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: js1138
Now the problem becomes, how do you tell when there is going to be an earthquake so that you can have the correct equipment in place and monitoring before it occurs....

Talk about a catch 22..;)
239 posted on 08/08/2003 1:20:13 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: unspun
Dogs and pidgeons display ESP? Well, at least if that were true we can't put them in jail for with withholding evidence like we would have to do to all the human scam artists, um, I mean psychics. (shouldn't all ESP practitioners be brought up on conspiracy to terrorism charges, since no one warned us of 9/11?)

Anyway, is it that homing pidgeons can fly home again after being blindfolded and taken miles and miles away? I urge you to accept the fact that there are things you either don't, or choose not to understand. i urge you further to dispense with any notions of ESP, which has been tested hundreds of times always with the same result: it doesnt exist. period.
240 posted on 08/08/2003 1:25:04 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: js1138
If you've seen animals react before an earthquake, I accept that as grounds for a scientific investigation. My questions are as before. Is there something that could be recorded that is simply to subtle for humans to notice?

It's already being studied extensively in China, Japan, and California.

241 posted on 08/08/2003 1:30:00 PM PDT by balrog666 (Religions change; beer and wine remain.)
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To: whattajoke
I'm waiting also. I suspect there may be something to the stories of animals and earthquakes, but nothing has so far convinced me it isn't a physical phenomenon.

I was amused by the guy writing books on the feeling that someone is watching you. He wants school kids to conduct experiments and report the results. As far as I know there are no controls for schools that get negative results and fail to report.
242 posted on 08/08/2003 1:32:11 PM PDT by js1138
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To: whattajoke
Phaedrus, I have to admit that I have now lost all respect I had for you. "

Oh, don't exaggerate. You didn't really have any respect for her to start with, did you?

Tons?" Do please show me a micron of evidence and I will have James Randi give you a million dollars, cold hard cash.

Randi has been offering that cold, hard million dollars for an awfully long time. No ESP demonstrated yet.

The only "unexplainable" thing regarding ESP is the fact that some people believe it exists!

The poor will be with as always. Same with the gullible.

what's next, you're gonna tell me you just knew I was a Taurus or something because of my attitude?

Scorpio!

243 posted on 08/08/2003 1:34:10 PM PDT by balrog666 (Religions change; beer and wine remain.)
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To: Aric2000
Now the problem becomes, how do you tell when there is going to be an earthquake so that you can have the correct equipment in place and monitoring before it occurs....

There is a little town in California that has 24/7/52 monitoring by cameras, laser devices to pick up microtremors, etc., just to answer that very question.

I don't know if all this equipment is still in place.

244 posted on 08/08/2003 1:36:14 PM PDT by js1138
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To: balrog666; Phaedrus; whattajoke; js1138; Alamo-Girl; unspun; RightWhale
A basis for ESP?

Well, here's a possibility: "If consciousness works through EM fields, its activity in every step involves changes in its EM field and the interaction of its EM field with another EM field -- outer or of an inner subsystem. It means that EM induction results, which generates naturally a higher level of electromagnetic activity besides the overlapping and superposition of the two interactive EM fields. Consequently, the interactive EM fields when they are active, generate a subsidiary EM field, a 'daughter' field. This induction effect is suggested to be the physical basis of the 'group effect,' the enhancement of the basic activity level when entering into interaction with another human being, consciously or without being aware of it.... Consciousness develops through the phenomenon of 'emotional infection,' widespread among children, and also present in rituals and when masses of people form a community. In new-born children, the movements originate from spontaneous emotional reactions.... The propensity to interact originates from the nature of emotions, of their mutuality...and field nature, which is the basis of the well-known phenomenon of 'transference,' the easy transfer of emotions in the trance- [hypnotic] state from one person to another. This is the basis of the transference of emotions, its epidemic character, as well as the wide range phenomena of mass psychosis and collective impulses...." -- A. Grandpierre, "The Physics of Collective Consciousness," 1996.

BTW, it is likely animals also participate in these EM fields.... Animals are conscious, though seemingly not self-aware.

245 posted on 08/08/2003 2:04:20 PM PDT by betty boop (We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
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To: Phaedrus
It isn't that ESP cannot be duplicated in a laboratory that is the problem. ESP cannot be duplicated in a casino or on the Bourse or by a middle linebacker or by Miss Cleo prediction her imminent subpoena or by the Intelligence Services protecting skyscrapers.
246 posted on 08/08/2003 2:07:47 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: betty boop
Respectfully, here's what I just read:

"Blah blah blah big words blah blah blah big words."

---- A. Grandpierre, "The Physics of Collective Consciousness," 1996.
247 posted on 08/08/2003 2:13:57 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for that excerpt!

That certainly seems like one which could be tested. A lot of animals and fish act as a "collective consciousness" in defense, etc.

248 posted on 08/08/2003 2:20:46 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; whattajoke; js1138; Phaedrus
...animals ...not self-aware.

Tell that to my mother's poodle, especially when I accidentally step on her foot and she thinks it may have been because I'm angry with her. 8-o Such self pity.... Dogs are also quite easily embarrassed when master or mistress confuses them things just too much for them; their eyelids become half-closed and they don't like to look master in the eye.

But thank you bb, for offering an explanation of why yawns are so doggone contageous --even when we don't know that the other person in the room has just yawned. ;-`

Not sure how to answer waj and js here, since I've had so much to do and haven't read as much Rupert as I've wanted by this time, but interested in what you two may eventually find there.

Aren't you interested in the (a-hem) scientific challenge here?

Hmm... if we can't call extra-sensory perception ESP, then what should we call it, bb? Electromagnetic qualia sense? EMQS?

249 posted on 08/08/2003 2:23:09 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: whattajoke
Respectfully, here's what I just read: "Blah blah blah big words blah blah blah big words."

Substitute BS for "big words" and we're on the same page.

250 posted on 08/08/2003 2:23:28 PM PDT by balrog666 (Religions change; beer and wine remain.)
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