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Why Frist and all won't go 24/7 (Vanity)
vanity | 8/4/03 | votelife

Posted on 08/04/2003 3:29:36 PM PDT by votelife

Freepers, First I apologize in advance for the vanity. I have been very active in the last several months trying to push Estrada's nomination. Pryor recently as he's from my state. On thread after thread I see people complaining at the fact that Frist/Bush won't make the Senate go 24/7. Let me explain this is probably not the best course of action to take right now.

1. The mainstream media- remember how Clinton was able to frame the govt shutdown as the Repubs fault? How easy do you think ABCBSCNNMSNBC will be able to say, right wing republicans block prescription drugs to put an arch-conservative on a court of appeals. I know this is unfair, but who said the NY Times is fair.

2. To go 24/7 from what I've read is MUCH harder on the Repubs than the Dems. Basically, only one Dem would have to be there (they could rotate) while all the Repubs or 50 I guess would have to be there. I'm not exactly sure on the particulars of this, perhaps other Freepers could back me up, but generally, this is tougher on the Repubs than the Dems.

3. It's August, nobody is paying attention. Going 24/7 now might get us judges, it might not. Tough to say how it would play out. Do it August of next year, or OCTOBER of next year, and Bush can tie it into his obstruction case very well.

4. While Bush has been getting beat (FOR NOW) in the Senate, he keeps the pressure on the Dems. After the Estrada filibuster was going, Bush nominated Pryor, an obvious deference to the conservative movement. Bush also nominated Pickering again, and Owen again. These are not the moves of someone who is rethinking the conservative judge strategy. Also, he just nominated Janice Brown, a black conservative who is a California Supreme Court Justice.

5. So basically based on number 4, I think Bush and Rove, are just letting the Dems destroy their party. The Dems will be on record filibustering a qualified Hispanic, a woman, a Catholic, a Baptist, a Black Woman, an Arab. Who knows who else, but this will be a VERY valuable campaign issue.

6. How do you think this obstruction plays in SC, NC, FL, GA, Pennslyvania (key primary between liberal Specter and conservative Toomey), ND, SD, etc? I can tell you that Tom Daschle won't like these obstruction ads running in his state! And how do you think the obstruction of Estrada will play among Hispanics right before the '04 election?

I know in advance some Freepers may accuse me of being a Bush-bot. I could care less. Bush has an excellent job on the pro-life cause. Ramming through some appeals court judges and somewhat removing the issue in '04 may actually HINDER Bush being able to get a conservative confirmed to the Court in the future. Pro life is starting to become more and more of a winning issue for the Repubs. As Bush likes to say, hearts are being changed. Freepers, be patient! I want these judges confirmed as much as the next Freeper, but I think we need to take a longer view of this problem. The Dems are getting more and more extreme, and out of touch with America. '04 is looking good (Hollings announced retirement today, also helping a future GOP Senate).

Now, if a Supreme Court justice retires, than this analysis goes out the window, and it would be time to go nuclear.

So for the Freepers who are upset at Frist, the best way to get these judges confirmed is to help defeat Democrat Senators (and defeat Arlen Specter)!

Comments appreciated, though I won't pay attention to them if they are not well reasoned.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrat; estrada; filibuster; frist; owen; pryor; senate
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1 posted on 08/04/2003 3:29:37 PM PDT by votelife
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To: votelife
when I say this it's because it might make it easier for some Dems to retain Senate seats saying they worked with the Pres on judges, as opposed to blindly opposing any and all judges conservative.
2 posted on 08/04/2003 3:31:37 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
I have been a proponent of the nuclear (or, "nuke-you-lur"!) option, but your arguments make some sense. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the mechanics of a full-blown filibuster to carry on an informed conversation. I disagree with premise #1, though. I think the public would support the president and the Republican senators in a flame war with the media.
3 posted on 08/04/2003 3:35:32 PM PDT by clintonh8r (You can have no better friend and no worse enemy than a United States Marine.)
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To: votelife
Also the rats have to pick the fight carefully,...as a lot of judges have been confirmed.
4 posted on 08/04/2003 3:37:04 PM PDT by spokeshave
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To: clintonh8r
you may be right about number 1, and with radio and the internet, you have a very strong case, but if my 1 is wrong, wouldn't it be better for the future of the Courts if this high stakes battle were played out right before the election so it was fresh on the voter's minds?

Similar to a bill which would push income tax day to right before the elections...
5 posted on 08/04/2003 3:38:33 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: spokeshave
Dems like to say they have confirmed 130 or so of Bush's judges. There are a few problems with this.

1. This is just a guess, but I bet these are more "moderate" Kennedy/O'Connor judges.

2. Or, they're older judges who the left doesn't view as a threat.

3. Or, I and think this is common: the Dems filibuster Appeals level judges and approve District Judges, ie trying to stop Bush from getting the more important posts.

There are good internet sites where you can see that many of Bush's judges just haven't got hearings, so while Dems have voted for most of them, it's only on ones that haven't been stalled, blocked, "blue slipped" etc.

That being said, I'm glad to see some of Bush's judges get through while Estrada and Pryor draw the heat.
6 posted on 08/04/2003 3:42:32 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
I've been one of the people saying, "What's wrong with these Republican wimps?" Your post definitely offers some perspective. What really matters is that we get the conservative judges; whether this route will achieve the goal remains to be seen.

On this issue, as with the administration's Middle East policy, I'm of two minds. I'd like to think that Bush et al are doing something really cagey, so subtle that I just don't get it. However, sometimes I fear that they're just clueless, and actually believe that being nice to people who want to destroy your way of life (Democrats, Saudis, Palestinians) is really going to work.
7 posted on 08/04/2003 3:43:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick (GUNS - the anti-liberal!)
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To: votelife
Patience is a virtue. I believe that Bush is ever-so-conscious of the dereliction of the Democrats, and will implement rules that deny a minority of Senators the power to determine the makeup of the judiciary.
8 posted on 08/04/2003 3:43:47 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: votelife
You do not have to make any apologies. You have been a tireless, unceasing, and dedicated Freeper on this issue.

Everyone blames Frist and the R Senators, but you are right, this is a well thought out long term strategy by the WH.

President Bush told each of his nominee's that he would stand by them. I guess I'm a Bush-Bot also, and his word is good by me.

9 posted on 08/04/2003 3:44:59 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: votelife
Finally, I think Freepers who are really mad at Frist should share some of that anger against the so-called moderate Dems like Breaux, Lincoln, Dorgan, Johnson, Baucus, etc or Dems from "Red" States! It's not Frist's fault if the Dems want to arbitrarily block qualified conservatives.

Look at it from the left's perspective. You don't think Hillary, Dashcle, and Leahy are exerting pressure behind the scenes? How about all the liberal special interest groups. Don't the Freepers who criticize Frist think these groups are reading the Dems the riot act?
10 posted on 08/04/2003 3:45:40 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
wouldn't it be better for the future of the Courts if this high stakes battle were played out right before the election so it was fresh on the voter's minds?

You are assuming the GOP can control what the media "spotlight" topic will be....I don't think they can as the media will find/manufacture/hype another issue to "spotlight", and it will surely be one that favors the Dems.

If Bush loses, the American judicial landscape will appear no different than it was when he arrived..
11 posted on 08/04/2003 3:49:45 PM PDT by mr.pink
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To: woodyinscc
If Bush talks like this, I think he'll stick with his support!

A Bush radio address, slamming the Dems on Estrada
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/849436/posts
12 posted on 08/04/2003 3:52:32 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
3 things you missed:
It's August, DC is on vacation, they can't go 24/7 (they could have started earlier and run into August but the next two show why to not do that)
The Dems have realized they're putting their head in a noose, other than the high profile filibusters we're getting judges through very nicely
Never blow the wad when it won't do any good, this is a ready made campaign issue next November, but not if it gets solved over a year in advance. If they're still filibustering next October it's a great stump speach and might be a good time to force it to 24/7 to really increase the profile.
13 posted on 08/04/2003 3:54:08 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: votelife
It's simpler than all that. They are gonna wait til next election and make it a campaign issue ... especially to force all the incumbent Dems to stay in Washington when they want to be campaigning.
14 posted on 08/04/2003 3:54:11 PM PDT by Guyin4Os
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To: mr.pink
that's true, but if he gets Pryor, Estrada, and Owen on the lower courts, but doesn't get reelected, than a future liberal Supreme Court will likely create lots of liberal havoc, and I don't think many freepers will console themsleves with "Well, at least Estrada's on the DC court, and at least will got that Pryor guy on the 11th circuit court"

Think big picture!
15 posted on 08/04/2003 3:54:19 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
because of my analysis, I have stopped calling/freeping Dem senators on this issue for the most part. I'll call them once in a while, but it's gotten to the point where I'd almost PREFER the so called "moderates" to filibuster. Especially the ones who are up for reelection. At this point, as locked in as the Dems are I think it's more important to call Bush/Frist/Hatch, etc and tell them to keep fighting for the judges. Do we really want say John Edwards to "see the light" on Estrada, make one good vote, and then get stuck with him for 6 more years? If he wants to block Estrada, I'm happy to hang that issue over his head.
16 posted on 08/04/2003 3:57:47 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
I won't pay attention to them if they are not well reasoned.

What's well reasoned to you might be very well reasoned to me. Free Miguel!

17 posted on 08/04/2003 3:57:50 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I could basically reduce my entire argument down to FREE MIGUEL, but I want to get the Frist bashers to look at the larger picture.

That said, Free Miguel!
18 posted on 08/04/2003 3:59:15 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
and for the Freepers who say Bush isn't doing enough, well, he has fought 2 wars, (is still fighting them) and is dealing with Israel/Palestine, and "16 words" and all the Dem harping etc. Bush can't do EVERYTHING.
19 posted on 08/04/2003 4:00:21 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
Here's an example of the kind of letter that will help us get the court we want:

Dear President Bush,
With the Surpeme Court session getting ready to close, it may well be time for perhaps the most important domestic decision of your presidency: the appointment of a Supreme Court Justice(s). The main reason why I supported you in 2000 and why I wanted Daschle out of power in 02 (and 04) has to do with the courts. I want America courts to interpret law, not write law. During your presidential campaign you said Thomas and Scalia were your two model justices. Those are excellent models. The High Court needs more like them. Clarence Thomas recently said to students that the tough cases were when what he wanted to do was different from what the law said. And he goes by the law. This should be a model philosophy for our justices. Your father, President Bush lost his reelection campaign for 3 main reasosn, as far as I can see. 1. he broke the no new taxes pledge 2. David Souter 3. Clinton convinced people we were in a Bush recession (which we had already come out of by the time Clinton was getting sworn in)

I urge you to learn from all three of these: 1. on taxes, you're doing great. Awesome job on the tax cut. 2. good job so far on judicial appointments. I want to see more of a fight for Estrada, Owen, and Pickering, but I commend you on your nominations. 3. by staying engaged in the economic debate you'll serve yourself well

I have been thoroughly impressed with your handling of al Queida, Iraq, and terrorism. You have inspired confidence and have shown great leadership.

But I want to remind you that your Supreme Court pick(s) will be with us LONG after you have departed office. I urge you to avoid the tempation to find a "compromise" pick. Go for a Scalia or Thomas. Don't go for an O'Connor or Kennedy. To be specific, get someone who is pro-life. Roe v Wade is one of the worst court decisions I know of, and it's the perfect example of unrestrained judicial power.

I know the temptation will be tremendous on you to nominate a moderate. But remember who your true supporters are. I am not a important leader or politician. I am "simply" a citizen who has been an enthusiatic supporter of you. I am willing to accept compromise in many areas of government but I will watch your Court nomiantions extremely closely. What the Senate Dems are doing right now is disgusting, but as the President you have the bully pulpit to stop it. Democrats will back down if you turn up serious heat on them.

Moreover, I think public opinion is shifting towards the pro-life position. Dems will want you to nominate a moderate, but almost all will vote against you anyways. Pro-choice Repubs will likely still vote for you if you nominate a Scalia, after all, you campaigned on it. So Mr. President, I urge you to stick with your campaign statements and nominate justices who believe in judicial restraint, like Scalia and Thomas.

Happy Memorial Day and may God bless you and your family.



20 posted on 08/04/2003 4:02:12 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
2nd shameless vanity plug:

FREEPers, I have created the ultimate Estrada activism thread. On it you will find ways to contact Senators, newsspapers, radio/tv people, organizations etc. Go there and help support Estrada. Keep the thread bumped until we get him confirmed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/847037/posts

21 posted on 08/04/2003 4:03:30 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
I don't think any of this will matter until Bush uses the bully pulpit to make his case, personally.

If he's trying to set up the campaign issue for 2004, then he better be prepared to use it. He will have to go around the country demanding that the people send him Republicans to the Senate so that he can break the filibuster.

He can use the wacky rulings of the 9th Circuit, the election tampering of Florida State Supreme Court, New Jersey State Supreme Court, and possibly California State Supreme Court (depending on which way the recall goes) as his examples of why he needs Republicans in the Senate.

Otherwise, it is all just running in place.

-PJ

22 posted on 08/04/2003 4:03:56 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Bush used the issue in key states last year. I remember seeing him stump about judges. Ask Cleland, Carnahan, and Mondale about democrat obstruction and if they think it contributed to their defeat. I expect he will do the same. For instance, FL has TONS of Hispanics. I'd expect to see Estrada get used as a big issue there. It might get so bad, that Dems might confirm Estrada just to help out in Florida.
23 posted on 08/04/2003 4:07:56 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: Political Junkie Too
the reason why it matters now has to do with Senate recruitment. If the GOP sees the base is inflamed over this issue, then they will use that issue more in the next election. If they see we don't care, then...

But, you are right in that it all comes down to Bush.
24 posted on 08/04/2003 4:09:08 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: mr.pink
President Bush will not lose this high stakes battle.(there are no Souters in his playbook)

The dims have drawn their line in the sand because of NOW, People for the American Way(Ralph Neas) and NARAL.

When Bush gets his Judges, it will be a dagger to the heart of the Democrats, and a great victory for the Nation and the values that make it strong.

25 posted on 08/04/2003 4:11:02 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: votelife
But, you are right in that it all comes down to Bush.

Exactly. He's the one with the appointment power. He's the one appointing the judges. He's the one the Democrats are targeting with their demands to be consulted, to provide lists prior to appointing, etc.

It will be a case of "Use it or lose it."

-PJ

26 posted on 08/04/2003 4:14:46 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: votelife
Your points are well made. It is a practical impossibility for the Repubs to force a 24/7 filibuster. As you point out, the dims only need to keep one or two present on the floor to keep the filibuster going. On the other hand, the Repubs have to keep 50 present, because anytime there is a lack of a quorum, it leads to an automatic adjournment until the next day if a "motion suggesting the lack of a quorum" is made.
27 posted on 08/04/2003 4:17:28 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: Political Junkie Too
I refer you back to the previously posted Estrada radio address. That address I think was a turning point in this battle. Everything going on now, is window dressing. Bush is likely asking the Dems how they like there Estrada served, over a nuclear filibuster say in October 2004, or quietly sandwiched around obscure legislation, far from the election.
28 posted on 08/04/2003 4:21:31 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
Thank you so much for this very valuable information. I think part of the frustration we feel out here in the public is that we are not privy to the "plan". But we also know you cannot reveal a lot of what's going on.

We are also aware that the President is orchestrating this plan and I think it's good that the repubs seem to be working together for a change.

Now that I understand how this is all being viewed - and even though I wish more could be done sooner - I do understand.
29 posted on 08/04/2003 4:37:06 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - "The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth")
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To: votelife
Your father, President Bush lost his reelection campaign for 3 main reasosn, as far as I can see. 1. he broke the no new taxes pledge 2. David Souter 3. Clinton convinced people we were in a Bush recession (which we had already come out of by the time Clinton was getting sworn in)

You forgot #4

He betrayed the gun owners of America. And if Bush 43 does the same thing HE also will be serving one term. Bush has passed many unConstitutional laws and if he doesn't fix the gun laws or extends them... he is toast!

I also agree with much he has done but like you, I have my line he can't cross.

30 posted on 08/04/2003 4:45:44 PM PDT by The UnVeiled Lady
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To: votelife
This just occurred to me a little while ago. What about forcing the Dems hands another way? The House could draw up articles of impeachment for large numbers of liberal federal judges on the grounds that they have violated their oaths of office by issuing tortured misinterpretations of clear laws. No filibuster in the House. The Senate would then have to vote to impeach or not to impeach those judges. I'm pretty sure there's no filibuster on impeachment votes either. Not that the Dems wouldn't try...

The impeachment articles could be withdrawn when the President's court nominees get the up or down votes they are constitutionally required to get.
31 posted on 08/04/2003 4:50:40 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: votelife
Think big picture!

Bump.

32 posted on 08/04/2003 4:51:38 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: votelife
There was an article just last week talking about when Frist may begin pushing the confirmation of these judges. I think he mentioned needing to get some other legislation done now and come fall or early winter time look for more emphasis. I can't remember what the article title was.
33 posted on 08/04/2003 4:53:20 PM PDT by deport
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To: Doug Loss
The Congress already has the authority to disband or restructure all the courts under the Supreme Court. Why not just abolish all the courts and start over?

Article III Section I

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

-PJ

34 posted on 08/04/2003 4:55:34 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Tax-chick; votelife
"I've been one of the people saying, "What's wrong with these Republican wimps?" Your post definitely offers some perspective."

Count me as a ditto-head to tax-chick.

I especially like your point about the pro-life viewpoint becoming more wide-speard. Also, the whole gay rights group got a big kick in the teeth today with the revelations about that Bishop. After the RC priest/child molester/homosexuals scandals I think and hope that guy is toast. And isn't he practically "married"?

The key, key, key thing is for Bush to win re-election. If the dems can't bring Harry Truman back from the dead they SHOULD be hopeless after their knocking of the President and the war.
35 posted on 08/04/2003 5:17:50 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: votelife
Great post and thread, votelife. I learned a lot from you and the other posters to this thread and I've bookmarked it.

Thank you.

36 posted on 08/04/2003 5:46:38 PM PDT by syriacus (Will pro-aborts discount Einstein's scientific ideas, since he said "GOD does not play dice?")
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To: votelife
NOT being a politician and having turned down some offers - I would "almost" opt for the NU-CU-LER solution on the dems! :>)

Hey! I is an Aggie too!

Someone in the Republican party needs to make a stand for America and Americans - not for republican or democrat. I told that to some of the "real" democrats that they need to take back their party from the socialist/communist far-left - just as the republicans need to get the party back from some less than appealing far-righters.

I don't consider religious/conciencious people to be far-right (as a rule) but I balk at a theocracy for sure. One year ago I would have described myself as a republican and thought of libertarians as KOOKS! Now I'm getting to be more of a KOOK myself.

This garbage of blocking the Estrada vote and the republican party not taking this to the full public now and showing them the left-wing radical extremists as to what they are...

On the other hand, this other garbage of insulting and shutting off Tancredo by BUSH for being an AMERICAN first has to cease immediately also.

The republican party has only one thing going for it right now --- and that is that it is the lesser problem right now. The far left is EVIL but the far right is approaching that description also.

I will defend my country as the oath I took demands - from ALL enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC!
37 posted on 08/04/2003 5:50:04 PM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: steplock
It feels good to vent occasionally! :>)

38 posted on 08/04/2003 5:55:10 PM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: votelife
Finally, I think Freepers who are really mad at Frist should share some of that anger against the so-called moderate Dems like Breaux...

First, thanks for posting this and I agree with most of your reasoning. As for Mr. Breaux, speculation is that he will not seek reelection in 2004, so perhaps that's why he's going so far afield from his constituents. And as to this red-map state's jr. senator, Ms. Landrieu's a just-reelected Hillary wannabee and complaints fall on deaf ears.

39 posted on 08/04/2003 6:08:55 PM PDT by Mudbug
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To: votelife
Regarding # 6, "How do you think obstruction plays in SC, NC, etc."

The dems have taken some polls and done some focus groups on this and have detected the early stages of bad PR over their refusal to give these judicial nominees an up/down vote.

This is why Hilliary, in her recent speech, identified the Federalist Society as the group behind the VRWC. This demonizing of the Federalist Society will likely be expanded to justify the filibuster of these nominees, who all are members of the Federalist Society.

40 posted on 08/04/2003 8:42:49 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: woodyinscc
When Bush gets his Judges, it will be a dagger to the heart of the Democrats, and a great victory for the Nation and the values that make it strong.

Very well stated. I think one of the biggest problems in our society is that 90% of people don't understand how the activist judges are legislating from the bench and upsurping powers that constitutionaly belong to the congress. The Dems know that many of their goals can only be achieved via judicial activism and that's one of the reasons they have "gone to the matresses" over Bush's nominees. This means of legislating poses a tremendous danger if not curtailed.

I think that's one of the reasons I get excited and impatient when this issue is brought up, I don't enjoy being governed by unaccountable philosopher kings.
41 posted on 08/05/2003 5:06:40 AM PDT by mr.pink
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To: CyberAnt
thanks for your comments; I don't know what Bush's solution to this filibuster mess is, however his past comments suggest he won't take this lying down. I do know that our best course of action (which I've been doing) is to contact Bush/Frist/etc and share the anger with them. Tapping on our keyboards here doesn't do any good.

I'd sure rather be in Bush's position politically on this issue than Daschle's. We need to remember how UNPRECENTED this attack on a president's nominating power is. Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg was approved with many Republican votes! The Dems are trying to REWRITE the confirmation process and its our job (and Rush and Hannity and FR and other sites) to make sure that America hears the truth. Maybe part of Bush's plan is to use this issue to END Daschle's political career. It frustrates me to not know what the final plan is, but look, Bush just nominated Janice Brown, I think we can be confident there is a plan in store!

SD is a very conservative state and won't take kindly to this obstruction. Daschle only manages to get elected by promising pork and blurring the differences between the two parties. Pro-life and Pro-gun are two major issues in SD and the blocking of conservative nominees goes to that heart of that issue. I'd be happy to delay the confirmation of these appeals court nominees to see Daschle defeated or scared into retirement. I think this is a sentiment all Freepers can agree on!

Now freepers, call your senators and call Frist, write Bush, and call the talk shows!
42 posted on 08/05/2003 2:58:09 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: syriacus
thanks for your encouragement. I'm trying to keep the intensity up on FR for these nominees. I know it's frustrating because Estrada was nominated over 2 years ago, but the long term goal is a more conservative Supreme Court, not one conservative on the DC court. So all of our letters, calls, etc help Washington realize that this is a major issue. I've called the NRSC and told them that judges was the #1 reason why I voted Bush in 2000 and Repub in 2002. And that I want more defense of Bush's nominees. I've also made calls and told Senators that internet conservatives are getting frustrated with Frist/Bush bc Estrada and all aren't getting confirmed. I've also taken to writing "Free Miguel Estrada" on the backs of envelopes I'll send to George Bush or to Senators, as I saw you did.

Another Freeper, Hoosiermania I think, has stood out in front of Evan Bayh's office holding pro-Estrada signs.

If FR keeps up the heat on this issue, and at this point, I think it's more important to pressure Republicans, than I think we'll get our judges.
43 posted on 08/05/2003 3:07:59 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: jocon307
"The key, key, key thing is for Bush to win re-election. If the dems can't bring Harry Truman back from the dead they SHOULD be hopeless after their knocking of the President and the war."

As you have said, I hope more FR who care about the Supreme Court realize this, because if Bush wins, the SC will go to the right.
44 posted on 08/05/2003 3:10:03 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: The UnVeiled Lady
I don't think Bush will sign any anti gun laws nor do I think any antigun laws will reach his desk courtesy of Tom Delay. I'm not even sure if Daschle wants to sign an anti-gun law seeing as he's up for re-election in SD.
45 posted on 08/05/2003 3:11:37 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: Doug Loss
very cool idea; while not quite as nuclear in Human Events they talk about the House taking a more active role in judges and in highlighting judicial activism... Myself, I'd like to see ads next year saying, do we want 's judges making rulings outlawing the pledge of alegience? Mix in with children in classrooms, etc...Vote Bush who believes in the values that make America great!
46 posted on 08/05/2003 3:15:03 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: Mudbug
why do you think Breaux supports Estrada, but not Pryor and Owen?

Do you think Breaux has decided not to run?
47 posted on 08/05/2003 3:16:29 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
Thanks..I'll read later..but ya goota ping me in the future, my man...
48 posted on 08/05/2003 3:57:30 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050
forgive my ignorance, but what is a ping?
49 posted on 08/05/2003 4:15:19 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
When you post a thread, vanity or otherwise, you send me a reply..just so I see it's up..
50 posted on 08/05/2003 4:17:09 PM PDT by ken5050
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