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ANOTHER Nazi propaganda emulating anti-Israel cartoon
"Little Green Footballs" pro-Israel website ^ | 8/5/3 | Auth

Posted on 08/05/2003 8:04:32 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker

I wrote: “Cartoons like this, not seen in the West since the bad old days of Julius Streicher and Der Stuermer, are getting more and more common. ”

When I wrote that, I was simply repelled by what seemed to me to be obvious, gut-churning antisemitism.

Auth/Phil Inq.

vs.

From Hitler-era Germany.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; propagada; propaganda; tonyauth
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1 posted on 08/05/2003 8:04:33 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: dennisw; Alouette; Yehuda; veronica
ich ping
2 posted on 08/05/2003 8:05:46 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Gad....it's even worse than I thought it was.
3 posted on 08/05/2003 8:06:37 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
4 posted on 08/05/2003 8:12:16 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: NativeNewYorker
Absolutely sickening.
5 posted on 08/05/2003 8:12:58 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
I know SO MANY people who think that this sort of thing could never happen again... It scares me that this is right out in the open, and the same people don't see the danger.

Egads.
6 posted on 08/05/2003 8:21:40 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: NativeNewYorker

Tony Auth, born in Akron, Ohio, and raised in Southern California, has been drawing since the age of five.


He graduated from the University of California at Los Angeles in 1965 and worked for six years as chief medical illustrator at Rancho Los Amigos Hospital, a large teaching hospital affiliated with the medical school of The University of Southern California.


In 1967, while still working as a medical illustrator, Auth began doing political cartoons. He first drew a single cartoon each week for Open City, a Los Angeles weekly. After a year, he began creating three drawings weekly for the UCLA Daily Bruin. Those cartoons were used widely in other college newspapers. In 1971, The Philadelphia Inquirer hired him as staff editorial cartoonist, and he is currently a member of its editorial board.


Auth has won several awards, including the Pulitzer Prize for editorial cartooning and the Sigma Delta Chi Award for distinguished service in journalism.


Auth's work appears five times a week in The Philadelphia Inquirer. He and his wife, Eliza, have two children.


7 posted on 08/05/2003 8:25:34 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Totalitarians, socialists, communists of all stripe are anti-semites. That has been a constant of history. If anti-semitism didn't exist, I'm convinced they'ed invent it.
8 posted on 08/05/2003 8:26:10 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: NativeNewYorker
Most likely it's a coincidence -- the subjects of both are very different, the Nazi-era one being simple hate propaganda, but the new one apparently referring to effects of the Israeli wall/fence plan.
9 posted on 08/05/2003 8:26:55 AM PDT by ZviTheWise ("Everybody in this house needs to calm down and eat some fruit or something." -- Mel Gibson, "Signs")
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To: Frank_Discussion
It scares me that this is right out in the open, and the same people don't see the danger.

Well, it underscores our responsibility.

If a newspaper publishes anti-Jewish garbage we should complain.

If a friend, neighbor or co-worker makes an anti-Jewish comment we should correct them and point out that what they're doing is wrong.

If a politician advocates the "Palestinian cause" or even more sinister things, we should bring it to people's attention and work to defeat them.

If we see any Jew being harassed or bothered by others we should defend them vigorously - physically if we have to.

10 posted on 08/05/2003 8:27:18 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Methinks the terrorists doth protest too much.
11 posted on 08/05/2003 8:27:39 AM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (But I can't get nothin' that can be bought, so I'll just live with what I got... Lord, forgive me.)
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To: wideawake
I agree.
12 posted on 08/05/2003 8:29:52 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: ZviTheWise
Most likely it's a coincidence -- the subjects of both are very different, the Nazi-era one being simple hate propaganda, but the new one apparently referring to effects of the Israeli wall/fence plan.

Dude. Both portray Judaism as a physically devisive force.

Career cartoonists like Auth know the history of their trade. T'ain't no freepin' coincidence.

13 posted on 08/05/2003 8:30:07 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Umm, What does it mean? I have no clue. Could someone explain it?
14 posted on 08/05/2003 8:30:35 AM PDT by Baseballguy
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To: Baseballguy
It means Jews divide/imprison people.
15 posted on 08/05/2003 8:31:35 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Baseballguy
It means the Israelis are fencing off the "Palestinians" into disconnected ghettos while keeping most of the land for themselves. It implies that the Jews are Nazi-like oppressors of innocent refugees. Disgusting.
16 posted on 08/05/2003 8:38:04 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: NativeNewYorker
The Arab cartoons are actually much worse than Nazi propaganda cartoons.

Nazi anti-Semitic cartoons

Arab anti-Semitic cartoons
(from Qatar, "moderate" Arab "ally"--oh yeah, the Qatari (our "moderate allies") cartoons are also ferociously anti-American)

17 posted on 08/05/2003 8:53:19 AM PDT by Alouette (Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: Alouette
I'd expect that kind of stuff from the religionofpeace, but not Auth!

The Inqi has (had?) a large Jewish audience.

18 posted on 08/05/2003 8:58:21 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: NativeNewYorker
I'll be sending this info to my contacts at the organizations which monitor such matters.
19 posted on 08/05/2003 9:46:58 AM PDT by veronica (http://www.petitiononline.com/KN50711/petition.html - Confirm Daniel Pipes to USIP ......sign this!)
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To: veronica
Thanks. I am quite in a lather about this.

I've seen Auth's material for years, but I had no idea he harbored these views, won a Pulitzer, and sat on the Inqui's editorial board.

I suspect we'll see a pattern similar to that after the Chicago editorial cartoon smear -- feigned ignorance of the meaning and history of the image, crocodile tears for getting free PR, chest-thumping about the first amendment, whining about over-sensitive Jews, and in the end, nothing.

20 posted on 08/05/2003 9:50:48 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: NativeNewYorker
I suspect we'll see a pattern similar to that after the Chicago editorial cartoon smear -- feigned ignorance of the meaning and history of the image, crocodile tears for getting free PR, chest-thumping about the first amendment, whining about over-sensitive Jews, and in the end, nothing.

Unfortunately I agree. He might say he was using the emblem of the state of Israel, not the symbol of Judaism. His meaning is all too clear, though. Either he is anti-semite, or he is deep in the grips of that attitude and not smart enough to notice.

21 posted on 08/05/2003 11:55:13 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: SupplySider
It means the Israelis are fencing off the "Palestinians" into disconnected ghettos while keeping most of the land for themselves.

Aren't they?

22 posted on 08/06/2003 12:36:20 PM PDT by Huck
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To: SupplySider
He might say he was using the emblem of the state of Israel

Now why would anyone use the Star of David as a symbol of Israel? Could it be because it's on their flag? And why would he draw it as a fence? Could it be because the Israelis are building a fence? And why are their people whose movement is restricted by the fence? Where did he ever get such hateful notions? Anti semite! Nazi!

23 posted on 08/06/2003 12:38:22 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
In a word, "no." And what do you think of the so-called "Palestinians" (sp)?
24 posted on 08/06/2003 12:41:34 PM PDT by =Intervention= (White devils for Sharpton Central Florida chapter)
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To: Huck
I wonder why Israel is building a fence?

Maybe because the people on the other side want to bomb the Sh*t out of them?

I'd build a fence too; On the western side of the Jordan River....

After a few people called U-haul...

25 posted on 08/06/2003 12:47:51 PM PDT by Jimmyclyde
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To: Jimmyclyde
They are building a fence.
26 posted on 08/06/2003 12:50:42 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
Now why would anyone use the Star of David as a symbol of Israel? Could it be because it's on their flag?

In your opinion then, none of these cartoons are anti-Semitic. Oh yeah, and since "Uncle Sam" is a symbol of the United States, these cartoons can't possibly be anti-American either.


Al-Watan, June 11, 2003 (Qatar)
The big word with the Star of David: "Terror;" below, on the hand: "The assassination policy."


Al-Watan, May 13, 2003 (Qatar)
In the middle: "the Arab states".


Al-Watan, May 8, 2003 (Qatar)
The Jew is pointing at "Syria".


Al-Watan, May 6, 2003 (Qatar)


Al-Watan, April 19, 2003 (Qatar)
In Arabic, on the Jew: "Weapons of mass destruction". In Arabic, on the left: "Syria".


Al-Watan, April 17, 2003 (Qatar)
The Jew is representing "the big Israel", which pushes the US towards "Syria".


Al-Watan, April 16, 2003 (Qatar)
The Jew is writing "the sanctions on Syria".


Al-Watan, April 6, 2003 (Qatar)
Powell is pointing at "Syria" and "Iran".


Al-Watan, March 6, 2003

27 posted on 08/06/2003 12:58:09 PM PDT by Alouette (Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Check out this Nazi Propaganda. In its Anti-Americanism it looks like it would be right at home at DU, or anywhere on the Left. It also has the Star of David:


28 posted on 08/06/2003 1:06:52 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch
1944, Dutch Nazi propaganda posterWOW
29 posted on 08/06/2003 1:17:24 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: SupplySider; Huck
It means the Israelis are fencing off the "Palestinians" into disconnected ghettos while keeping most of the land for themselves.

Yeah, the Israelis sure do have most of the land, don't they?


30 posted on 08/06/2003 1:52:05 PM PDT by Alouette (Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: Schlepp; Huck
A good response. The nature of the cartoon is pretty obvious, and I've no doubt it has it's fans. But face it, a conservative forum is probably the wrong place to defend it. IMO, Huck is just chumming these threads for reactions.
32 posted on 08/06/2003 2:11:29 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Schlepp
What makes us human, or at least civilised humans, is our ability to distinguish between things; to recognise that one thing is not another. Does the fact that you wear pants and Hitler wore pants make you the most evil man in the world?

To some posters on these threads it does. I agree we should be able to distinguish between things. But then you don't allow any choice but your own. It's the cartoonist's fault, you say, for not being clearer to you about what the picture means. Yet, I had a differnt take on it. To you, my take is invalid. Only your view is correct.

33 posted on 08/06/2003 2:12:51 PM PDT by Huck
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So if you post your point of view, it's called posting. But if I post mine, it's chumming? You have a lot of gall.
34 posted on 08/06/2003 2:14:57 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Alouette
Yeah, the Israelis sure do have most of the land, don't they?

I wasn't referring to the whole middle east. I was referring to the state of Israel and the "disputed" territories.

35 posted on 08/06/2003 2:16:44 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
I wasn't referring to the whole middle east. I was referring to the state of Israel and the "disputed" territories.

It would seem you are going to great effort to avoid that little stumbling-block that we call "context."

36 posted on 08/06/2003 2:57:51 PM PDT by Alouette (Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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Take a good look at the fence. It leaves 80-90% of the Disputed territories in Arab hands.
You are either massively ignorant or disingenuous.
37 posted on 08/06/2003 2:58:45 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: Huck
Aren't they?

Ah. Dropping the mask a little, huh?

38 posted on 08/06/2003 3:22:14 PM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: Huck
It's the cartoonist's fault, you say, for not being clearer to you about what the picture means.

Poor Huck. The cartoon is too difficult for him.

But.. wait a minute. See Huck's profession:

My line of work:

E-learning. I am an instructional designer/multimedia designer/project manager.

I wonder who would hire an e-learning expert of such an awesome caliber that he doesn't "get" a nazi cartoon. Stormfront? Hamas elementary school? Some madrassa on the Pak/Afghan border?

39 posted on 08/06/2003 3:29:23 PM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: ZviTheWise
Most likely it's a coincidence -- the subjects of both are very different, the Nazi-era one being simple hate propaganda, but the new one apparently referring to effects of the Israeli wall/fence plan.

That is what is referred to as a 'distinction without difference'. You may be willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the 'cartoonist', but I believe he knows exactly what he is doing, and is probably aware of the earlier Nazi version of what he did.

40 posted on 08/06/2003 3:31:25 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Huck
That was either a pathetic troll attempt, or you meant to post that comment at Stormfront.
41 posted on 08/06/2003 3:35:27 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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So if you post your point of view, it's called posting. But if I post mine, it's chumming? You have a lot of gall.

Not gall huck, my point of view.

Anyone reading this can review your posts on this thread and on Nazi Imagery Goes Mainstream and make their own decision.

You haven't stated a coherent opinion. You're chumming (Jew-Baiting if it makes you feel better).

Or if you prefer, I'll secone rmlew's opinion, it's more pc,

You are either massively ignorant or disingenuous.

42 posted on 08/06/2003 3:37:07 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: spodefly
That is what is referred to as a 'distinction without difference'. You may be willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the 'cartoonist', but I believe he knows exactly what he is doing, and is probably aware of the earlier Nazi version of what he did...That was either a pathetic troll attempt, or you meant to post that comment at Stormfront.

Note the United Press Syndicate’s explanation on this thread. Nazi Imagery Goes Mainstream

Lee Salem, editor of the United Press Syndicate distributing the cartoon brushed off concerns about the cartoon. He responded that it is UPS’s job “to distribute editorial columns and cartoons across a broad spectrum of opinion, some of which are sure to antagonize some readers, somewhere.” Referring to Auth as an “opinionist,” he defended the decision by pointing to the “various occasions” on which UPS was “labeled anti-Arab, anti-Muslim, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-Christian, and a whole lot of other anti's.”

There’s no reason to think the cartoonist would employ subterfuge in explaining his cartoon. As you note, he knows what he's drawing.

43 posted on 08/06/2003 3:42:05 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: NativeNewYorker
The Denenberg Report

This guy has been keeping tabs on Knight-Ridder, NPR and Tony Auth for quite a while.

44 posted on 08/06/2003 3:48:53 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Angelus Errare
Ping.
45 posted on 08/06/2003 3:49:40 PM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
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To: Stentor
This guy has been keeping tabs on Knight-Ridder, NPR and Tony Auth for quite a while.

Thanks, interesting link. I'm posting his comments here, for those who just can't figure it out.

Here are the anti-Semitic techniques which Auth and the Inquirer use so consistently and with such mastery and venom:

DOUBLE STANDARD. The cartoon is the classic use of one standard for Israel and another standard for all other nations. Every nation is assumed to have the right of self-defense. But the classic tool of anti-Semitism, the double standard, denies Israel the right of self-defense. This cartoon turns a legitimate attempt to keep terrorists out by building a protective fence into an attempt to imprison Palestinians in a concentration-camp like Star of David. Auth and the Inquirer, in their usual style, ignore the hundreds of Israelis who have died at the hands of homicide bombers, and see the Palestinians only as victims, not those who have rejected peace and have resorted to the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians. Auth ignores the fact that it is Palestinian terrorism that has required the fence, and if anyone is to blame for its existence it is the Palestinians and their failure to stop terrorists, dismantle the terrorist infrastructure, and end the media’s and educational system’s incitement to violence against Israel and Palestinian teaching of anti-Israel, anti-Semitic propaganda.

MORAL EQUIVALENCE. The cartoon has an underlying theme -- the anti-Semitic technique of moral equivalence. Auth condemns Israel for legitimate self-defense, even if it is directed a preventing homicide bombers, mass murder, and genocidal intentions. This makes legitimate self-defense morally equivalent to the murder and terror tactics of the Palestinians. This technique demonizes and delegitimizes the most innocent of Israeli acts, and establishes moral equivalence between self-defense on Israel’s part, and unspeakable evil such as mass murder and homicide bombings.

HATE SYMBOLS. Auth transforms the Star of David, an icon of Jews everywhere, into a concentration-camp style design, a prison-like instrument to confine and ghettoize the Palestinians. Hence his imagery condemns Israelis and all Jews everywhere.

OUTRIGHT LIES. Auth’s cartoons also freely makes use of outright lies, and the other tools of the Inquirer’s dishonest and fraudulent journalism. As a matter of fact, the fence being constructed by the Israelis does not and is not intended to imprison or confine the Palestinians. It merely prevents terrorists and others from coming into Israel through an open and unguarded border. It does not prevent them from moving around outside of the borders of Israel itself. In fact, they can even move into Israel itself, but must now use official gates. And in any event, it certainly doesn’t confine them in any way, shape or form resembling the cartoon’s imagery.

We all recognize that the cartoon is not a literal statement and can be subjected to varied interpretations. But the intent of the cartoon is clear, in view of Auth’s long history of anti-Israel and anti-Semitic bias, and the environment in which he labors – The Philadelphia Inquirer and the Knight-Ridder organization. In my view the intent of the cartoon is clear, and that intent is even more blatant and obvious viewed in its total context. The anti-Israel, anti-Semitic bias of the Inquirer has been documented for decades by groups in Philadelphia. In fact, for total historical perspective, it should be noted that the three Ridder brothers (founders of the Ridder newspaper chain which was later merged into the organization that became Knight-Ridder) were America’s leading Nazi supporters during the 1930s and 1940s. The Ridder-Nazi connection is documented in Louis Nizer’s book, (Chapter 4). A summary of Nizer’s chapter on the Ridder brothers can be found on my Web site: denenbergsdump.org. More on media bias can be found on my other Web site: thedenenbergreport.org.

Herb Denenberg is a former Pennsylvania Insurance Commissioner, professor at the Wharton School, and Pennsylvania Public Utility Commissioner. He is a member of the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences and is a board member of the Center for Safe Medication Use. He is an adjunct professor of insurance and information science and technology at Cabrini College. You can write Herb at POB 7301,St. Davids, PA e-mail him at hdenenberg@aol.com or reach him at his two Web sites: thedenenbergreport.org or denenbergsdump.org

46 posted on 08/06/2003 4:02:37 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Stentor
Helluva site.
47 posted on 08/06/2003 4:08:51 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Alouette
Pat Buchanan, Joe Sobran, Charlie Reese, Lew Rockwell, et al. would wildly applaud these cartoons since they make the exact same arguments.
48 posted on 08/06/2003 4:14:31 PM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: rdb3
Oh yeah, and the standard defense is always, "I can't be an anti-Semite! I just love and admire Israel Shahak and Uri Avnery and Noam Chomsky, and they are Jews, so how can I possibly be an anti-Semite????"
49 posted on 08/06/2003 4:21:00 PM PDT by Alouette (Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: SJackson
Anyone reading this can review your posts on this thread and on Nazi Imagery Goes Mainstream and make their own decision

I completely agree.

50 posted on 08/06/2003 4:52:06 PM PDT by Huck
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