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Prince Charles makes mystery visit to Orthodox church priest
icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk ^ | Jul 31 2003 | Eryl Crump, Gareth Hughes, Gareth Bicknell and Steve Bagnall

Posted on 08/05/2003 6:20:49 PM PDT by Destro

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To: MarMema
I guess that's nice. I don't know any more.

I don't like it that Prince Charles can visit a mountain that I can't.

Prince Charles shacks up with a woman which Christians aren't supposed to do. As future head of a church which is in a mess, it's just another example of the elite leading people astray.

There, that's how I feel about Prince Charles. Common people who take their Christianity seriously and hope to enter heaven don't shack up with people they are not married to.

Unless they changed that rule. Hard to keep up with all the changes, and I'm smarting about what happened in the Episcopalian Church tonight, the same church Prince Charles will one day head. I should be more progessive not to be upset by these things. Never did I imagine I would live to see such a horrible thing happen in a church that, in my town, is where the elite people go.

I guess if you are a prince, the rules are for others.

41 posted on 08/05/2003 8:45:28 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska; MarMema
Regarding your comments...

Speaking as someone who is interested in the history of Christianity only, I must say no wonder Protestants are having so much trouble. Protestants are condemned if they sin and tarred with the sin rather than forgiven for it. Charles sinned like any human does. Why should he be shunned for it? That is not the problem. The gay Episcopalian "Bishop" is not repentant and finds no sin in being gay, that is the true problem. I guess Protestants still mark people with scarlet letters. Then again it is understandable they error in their understanding of Christianity being that they have no connection with the historic church.

The gay Episcopalian Bishop controversy pretty much puts a nail in coffin of the personal Jesus Protestantism (where whoever reads the Bible can come to interpret it as they see fit). If this is the result than Protestantism was a noble but failed experiment.

If this is Episcopalian case holds and shows a trend then I see a possible future scenario--Protestant Christianity (already withered in Northern Europe) will begin to wither in America. There will be a return to "orthodoxy" (Roman and Greek) by former Protestants. What falls by the wayside will substitute Christianity for secular humanism, the kind we find in the Scandinavian countries who have most fully demonstrated the trend in dumping their Protestant Christianity for a secular belief system.

PS: I would also add that the appearance of Female clergy in some Protestant sects as a sign of the decline.

42 posted on 08/05/2003 9:20:18 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
The gay Episcopalian "Bishop" is not repentant and finds no sin in being gay, that is the true problem. I guess Protestants still mark people with scarlet letters.

Here we go again. Protestant bad. Catholic good. Orthodoxy good.

Did I miss Charles showing any evidence of being repentent? According to catholic teaching, one must be truly contrite and resolve to make amends (although it doesn't work that way in practice).

I guess, as a former protestant, I feel worse than if I had brought up in one of the other churches. I'm so upset I don't know what I'm supposed to think and feel. I do not think protestants are bad people. All of my relatives are protestants and I love them and I can't stand it when people put them down just for being protestants.

43 posted on 08/05/2003 9:44:43 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
That is not what I said. But the problem remains--what systematic problem exists that can alter a Protestant church so? Splintering a million ways till it dissolves away?

I am approaching this from a none religious perspective.

44 posted on 08/05/2003 9:52:25 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
I thought maybe I didn't understand what you were driving at. Yes, protestants split and split, but I find little difference between that and catholics who don't split but rebel against basic catholic teachings and values yet remain in the church because they are not disciplined.

I suppose eventually all Christians who don't reject the historic basic teachings will reunite. They will probably have to. In the wilderness.

Protestantism is probably doomed but I don't like to see catholics and orthodox rejoice over it. Part of the reason is that they practice their beliefs closer to the simplicity of the early church more than the other two which are too heavily ritualistic for people who aren't prepared for it.

45 posted on 08/05/2003 10:02:31 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Destro
<p.Maybe old CHarles swings BOTH ways and looking for solace for his gay mode? Just speculating. There have been rumors that he is a bisexual.
46 posted on 08/05/2003 10:06:05 PM PDT by nmh
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To: virgil
There has been a lot of speculation on whether Charles will be King at all. It may skip over him and his son will be King. If Charles goes Orthodox, it may be a sign he isn't going to be king.

Some say he could become the antichrist. I've heard some interesting reasoning on this.

47 posted on 08/05/2003 10:14:49 PM PDT by Bellflower (a Dem by any other name smells the same)
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To: nmh
That was a very rude remark about the Prince.

Orthodox Christianity calls homosexuality a sin and does not have the the problems with gay priests that other groups do.

48 posted on 08/05/2003 11:50:34 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Bellflower
Prince Charles is not from the east.... how could he be the anti-christ.

You are just too unrational.

49 posted on 08/05/2003 11:51:58 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Lion in Winter
and does not have the the problems with gay priests that other groups do.

Thank you, God, for the Orthodox church.

50 posted on 08/06/2003 7:42:55 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Lion in Winter
"That was a very rude remark about the Prince."

I disagree. The rumor that he might be a bisexual has been floating around for a LONG time. Nothing "crude" about that.

"Orthodox Christianity calls homosexuality a sin and does not have the the problems with gay priests that other groups do."

Christianity that follows the Bible teaches that homsexuality is a sin. ORthodox or not - who cares what they label themselves - not all follow the Bible by ANY label. You can't tell me that just because a denomination claims to be "Orthodox" that they don't have skeletons in their closet either homosexul or heterosexul problems. ALL people are imperfect and will sin accordingly. This is just one of many sins they are just as capable of commiting in the open or behind closed doors.

51 posted on 08/06/2003 9:34:12 AM PDT by nmh
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To: Lion in Winter; Bellflower
That was Nostrodamus who said their would be a last male King of England--though why that referes to Prince Charles among these types - who knows....
52 posted on 08/06/2003 10:07:37 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: MarMema; The_Reader_David
I have read your posts regarding your Church and I think you need to comment on that post #48 which says your Faith does not follow the Holy Bible.
53 posted on 08/06/2003 10:10:05 AM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Bellflower
Charles is not my favorite person in the world, but I've never put him anywhere near the category of antichrist. Now, Clinton on the other hand...
54 posted on 08/06/2003 10:14:44 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Aliska
Protestantism is probably doomed

Ah, no, I don't think so!

55 posted on 08/06/2003 10:16:01 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Destro; MarMema; The_Reader_David; Bellflower
****** I am appalled that some people who post on this site feel that they have any right to condemn any visit by a person... any person.... to a Priest.*****

****** I would be willing to bet you that during the Soviet era in Russia or Poland, many people were condemned and ridiculed for such a visit. Perhaps, the visitor and the Priest were murdered as well for being Christians.******

56 posted on 08/06/2003 10:16:31 AM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Lion in Winter
I have no problem with the Prince going to a priest but going to a priest doesn't make one a Christian. I was only referring to a book written by Tim Cohen called "The Anti Christ and a Cup of Tea" about many reasons why he believes Prince Charles to be the antichrist. His reasoning is interesting.
57 posted on 08/08/2003 1:54:05 AM PDT by Bellflower (a Dem by any other name smells the same)
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To: Destro; twigs
Destro, I do not at all follow anything that Nostodamus says but rather was referring to the information in a book called "The Anti Christ and a Cup of Tea" by Tim Cohen. He is quite interesting.
58 posted on 08/08/2003 2:01:51 AM PDT by Bellflower (a Dem by any other name smells the same)
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To: Lion in Winter
I think you misunderstood the post. We follow the teachings of the Holy Apostles as recorded in Holy Scripture on matters of sexual morality.

You seem to have taken our not having a problem with homosexual clergy as meaning we approve of such. We do not have a problem in the sense that we are not overrun with a movement to ordain the sexually immoral. We do not have a problem in the sense that we have not coddled (mostly homosexual) sexual predators among our clergy.

We will defrock (or if the hierarchs should prove slow, the laity will walk out on) clergy who call evil good. We have the same problem with "gay" clergy (for "gay" denotes not merely suffering from a besetting homoerotic temptation but the embrace of that temptation) that we have with heretical clergy or proud clergy who teach that pride is not a sin, or avaricious clergy who teach that greed is not a sin.

59 posted on 08/08/2003 8:54:36 AM PDT by The_Reader_David
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To: The_Reader_David
I made an error and referred you to my own post... it was that odd "nmh" who made the comment in #51, that stated that the Orthodox Christian Church does NOT follow the Holy Bible.

That particular bigoted nmh poster is quite an embarrassment to this site, in my opinion.

60 posted on 08/08/2003 9:42:02 AM PDT by Lion in Winter
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