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Voice Of Free Iraq Walks Out On US
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 8-6-2003 | Brian Whitaker

Posted on 08/05/2003 6:35:19 PM PDT by blam

Voice of free Iraq walks out on US

Brian Whitaker
Wednesday August 6, 2003
The Guardian (UK)

A broadcaster who became known as "the voice of free Iraq" after the fall of Saddam Hussein has walked out of his job, saying the United States is losing the propaganda war. Failure to invest in the new Iraqi broadcasting service means foreign channels are gaining popularity at the expense of the US, Ahmed al-Rikabi, the American-appointed director of TV and radio said yesterday.

"The people of Iraq, including the Sunni Muslims, are not about to turn against their liberators, but they are being incited to do so. These [foreign] channels contribute to tension within Iraq," he said.

Saddam is scoring propaganda successes over the Americans by sending audio tapes to Arab satellite channels, Mr Rikabi continued.

"Saddam is doing better at marketing himself, through al-Jazeera and al-Arabiyya channels," he said, referring to the deposed Iraqi leader's recent messages which have been broadcast throughout the Middle East.

Last April Mr Rikabi, who had been head-hunted by the Americans, announced the overthrow of the Iraqi regime from a tent near Baghdad airport. Many Iraqis still recall his exact words: "Welcome to the new Iraq. Welcome to an Iraq without Saddam, Uday or Qusay."

He then helped to recruit a team of journalists that started TV transmissions lasting up to 16 hours a day. But the channel was dogged by a lack of money and resources.

The station was provided with only three studio cameras and five portable cameras, Mr Rikabi said. For the five portable cameras, they were allowed only 10 rechargeable batteries lasting 15 minutes each.

The best-paid journalist got a salary of $120 a month, compared with the minimum of $500 a month paid by other Arab networks, he added.

There was also a clothing allowance for newsreaders, but only to clothe the visible top half of their bodies.

Stephen Claypole, who was a public affairs adviser to Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad, said: "It's very typical of everything the Americans get involved in. They announce large budgets and the money is never released."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ahmedalrikabi; alarabiyya; aljazeera; alrikabi; free; iraq; iraqimedia; iraqwalks; propagandawar; rebuildingiraq; saddamhussein; stephenclaypole; tv; us; voice

1 posted on 08/05/2003 6:35:19 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
if this is true, it is not good nooz
2 posted on 08/05/2003 6:38:20 PM PDT by agitator (Ok, mic check...line one...)
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To: blam
Stephen Claypole, who was a public affairs adviser to Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad, said: "It's very typical of everything the Americans get involved in. They announce large budgets and the money is never released."

Yeah, Americans are lousy at everything. That is why our country is so screwed up and nobody wants to come here.

3 posted on 08/05/2003 6:42:20 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: blam
They announce large budgets and the money is never released.

And that's all they care about, getting that "free" American money.

4 posted on 08/05/2003 6:47:19 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Gone Camping.)
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To: blam
Failure to invest in the new Iraqi broadcasting service means foreign channels are gaining popularity at the expense of the US

Lets change this statement to a more truthful statement.

The us Failure to bomb the old Iraq propaganda machines.

Now don't come back with how this would look to the rest of the world. I realise we believe in a free press BUT, lets add to that AN HONEST PRESS!

LETS BOMB ALL THE DISHONEST PRESS

5 posted on 08/05/2003 6:48:28 PM PDT by chachacha
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To: chachacha
I disagree with some of the sentiments on this thread. we have done a bad job of marketing our side of this war and it shows. The Arab world gets a ton of BS from their press yet we have not countered it in any meaningful way. If we are expecting common sense from these people then perhaps that shows we don't get it yet.
6 posted on 08/05/2003 6:50:59 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: blam
Could it also be some State Department bureaucrats mucking up the works???
7 posted on 08/05/2003 6:51:38 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: blam
This - from an anti-American propagandists. Never have so many reporters been so deceitful. Forget pro-American press in Iraq....we can't get pro-American press in America.

Our local cable company provides 3 channels for local public school coverage and WE can't get the CENTCOM and DOD briefings - are forced to hear the war news through the wanker-filter...dishonest from day one.

We do have radio and press and TV in Iraq - but the world is big, with thousands of TV, radio and press outlets preaching anti-American pap - incited by a major US political party and our own former Presidents to act against us to weaken America on the world stage...all afraid of Big Good America.

Why are we not acting on this? As Roy Innis said, the first amendment was never supposed to be a suicide pact.

8 posted on 08/05/2003 6:55:29 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Dems made freed slaves 2/3rds of a person because the freed slave vote would give the GOP the south.)
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To: agitator
if this is true, it is not good nooz

No, it's not, and I'm inclined to believe that it is true. This isn't the first I've heard of problems in the communicating-to-the-people-of-Iraq department. We've got to win over the hearts and minds of the Iraqis, otherwise our job will be a thousand times more difficult. Money spent to get our message out to the Iraqis -- that we're working hard, that progress is being made, that we're on their side -- is money very well spent. If there is such a thing as a morally justified time for propaganda, this is one of them. We shouldn't be skimping on this.

9 posted on 08/05/2003 6:55:51 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: misterrob
We have no mainstream voice in the press. Haven't for decades. We do have some voices today, though - and more tools.

It was worse during Vietnam. Cronkite's lies won the day, because we had few ways to check the facts - mail took weeks, internet non-existant.

Today, Americans are being conned daily - either don't care or don't know - wouldn't know unless they check CENTCOM, or have loved ones serving.

It's up to us to get the word out.

A member of Pres. GHW Bush's first admin. wrote a book about the media not allowing a President to fight a war. Solzhenitsyn was onto 'em long ago:

The press has become the greatest power within the western countries,
more powerful than the legislative, the executive, and the judiciary.
One would then ask: By what law has it been elected
and to whom is it responsible?  -  Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

The (inter)national mainstream press IS the #1 answer to "why they hate us."

The only solution really is to take them less seriously...and get the facts out, as well as standing up to the liars.

As long as people believe the well-coiffed spinners and noisy activists, people like Hillary Clinton and Fidel Castro stay in power.

10 posted on 08/05/2003 7:09:57 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Dems made freed slaves 2/3rds of a person because the freed slave vote would give the GOP the south.)
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To: blam
I can't believe that the US administrators are as incompetant as reported.

Where is the common sense here?

11 posted on 08/05/2003 7:15:44 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Yardstick
Only a pro-socialist administration gets positive inter/national press. For Clinton, the war would be covered very differently....the VICTORY it IS would be well-known and the world wankers would jump on board. We are up against a thousand enemy-press voices in Iraq and at home, carefully primed and sharing the DNC talking points.

The Iraqi people survived over 24 years of brutality from the Hussein regime. They may have a more difficult time ignoring the hate speech surrounding them today.

When was the last time you heard a pro-American AMERICAN news outlet?

12 posted on 08/05/2003 7:15:44 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Dems made freed slaves 2/3rds of a person because the freed slave vote would give the GOP the south.)
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To: blam
With the VOA crowd in charge, this is not a suprise. Our foreign broadcasting capacity sucks beyond anyone's imagination.
13 posted on 08/05/2003 7:16:54 PM PDT by Beck_isright (Remember the Blue Ridge Corporation!!!! Damn the torpedoes and SEC, full speed ahead!)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Forget pro-American press in Iraq....we can't get pro-American press in America.

This is true.
But we could try harder to get our message across to the Iraqis.

14 posted on 08/05/2003 7:18:23 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: blam
We really haven't invested enough money in media- we need to counter the Iranian mullahs. This is yet more evidence in how bad the State Department has been. The American message doesn't get out and there are too many career diplomats who dislike America and its mission in the world.
15 posted on 08/05/2003 7:22:00 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
But I think this is different than working against our left-leaning free press. Relying on the independent media to flak for our project in Iraq would be beyond hopeless. This should be a government operation -- not a free press at all -- getting a very controlled message out to the Iraqis. This should be propaganda (in the best sense of the word).
16 posted on 08/05/2003 7:26:37 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Jorge
What "we",Jorge? The government? I've seen very little that a career pol/diplomat can't well and truely screw up. Which "we" are you speaking of?
17 posted on 08/05/2003 7:31:31 PM PDT by Adrastus
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To: Jorge
How? How?! The American people - even Freepers choose to believe the NY Times - and the rest of the press is following the lead of our enemies.

How?

I know what this administration's been doing in Iraq. I doubt many here cared enough to look past the destructive partisan press for the truth. YES, the Iraqi people need to be strong and need to learn who to trust in the press.

Clinton gave the UN and international socialist NGOS and think tanks unprecidented authority in US foreign policy matters. We have no Jesse Helms sitting on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee defending US from the pro-UN-crook globalists. What THIS administration has accomplished in Iraq even with the forces they're up against (#1 enemy = the VLWC) is nothing short of a miracle. Blaming this administration for the current efforts of the international press is rather like Clinton telling Juanita Broderick, "Put some ice on it."

18 posted on 08/05/2003 7:35:55 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Dems made freed slaves 2/3rds of a person because the freed slave vote would give the GOP the south.)
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To: blam
This is horrible news. What would make this person give up so quickly? What do we have to do...take up a collection for the New Iraqi Media? This is one battle in the WOT we can't afford to lose. And it's raw meat for the anti-war, anti-Bush hyenas.
19 posted on 08/05/2003 7:36:34 PM PDT by arasina (click here ---no, wait a minute---DON'T!)
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To: blam
If it was being run by NPR, this is a good thing
20 posted on 08/05/2003 7:42:22 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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To: Adrastus
I'm talk about our people in Iraq of course.
21 posted on 08/05/2003 7:44:16 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Yardstick
We have radio, TV, newspapers, magazines, leaflets, posters, billboards, meetings, daily interaction across the country. It's no accident that Saddam Hussein protected his Iraqi Info Ministry more than even his soldiers...with mobile satellite trucks, backup generators...after years of controlling the people by controlling the media. Most of the world - especially those who spent time in Communist or other oppressive regimes know full well the power of the press - to harm. We in America like to pretend we aren't influenced.

Meanwhile, as the military continues to make great progress across Iraq - successfully completing major operations WITHOUT major casualties - and winning over the Iraqi people - the press hypes bad, ignores the good, and even those who should know better believe the lies.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

22 posted on 08/05/2003 7:49:21 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Dems made freed slaves 2/3rds of a person because the freed slave vote would give the GOP the south.)
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To: Jorge
I'm sorry. That must have sounded sarcastic. What can we, you and I and anyone else who feels the frustration of knowing that our people there are once again screwing the pooch, do about this situation? Are there any websites, addresses or whatever that can be contacted in Iraq? There has to be something that can be done.
23 posted on 08/05/2003 7:57:27 PM PDT by Adrastus
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
How? How?! The American people - even Freepers choose to believe the NY Times - and the rest of the press is following the lead of our enemies.

We NEED a better PR machine.

We are on the side of what is good, and just and beneficial for the Iraqi people.

We need to get that message out there and keep pounding it home.

We also need to counter the deceitful propaganda from the press where ever we encounter it, because we are right and they are wrong.

It's ridiculous that the only message so many people are hearing is leftist American hating crap from a bunch of losers. We have to provide the alternative.

Blaming this administration for the current efforts of the international press is rather like Clinton telling Juanita Broderick, "Put some ice on it."

You misunderstood me. I'm not "Blaming this administration for the current efforts of the international press" at all.

I am blaming them however for not doing enough to counter the barrage of misinformation.

They need to do more to get the truth out.

24 posted on 08/05/2003 7:58:23 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
BINGO, I agree with you 100%, it's just like the reports from the leftist liberals about the economy, Capital investments went up over 30% in the 2nd quarter and all they can report about yesterday was the projected layoffs. I'm no economist but I know this.... We are damn lucky we are not in a full fledged depression after all this country has been through since the bubble bursted in the high tech sector, the recession that follewed, the wall street accounting fraud, the attacks on 9/11 and the 2 wars that followed.

If anybody was to ask me on septemer 12th 2001 that in 22 months the Taliban would be gone and a provisional government up and running along with Osama Bin Laden MIA, move 300,000 troops into Kuwait, setup a Command center in Qatar, Successfully remove Saddam and already begun rebuilding Iraq, and in the 2nd quarter of 2003 the GDP is at a 2.4% rate of growth, I would laugh and say "YEA RIGHT!"

But this has all happened and still people read the doom and gloom published by these rags and actually believe it. Their agenda is so obvious it glows in the dark

25 posted on 08/05/2003 7:58:29 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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To: misterrob
Er, excuse me for pointing out what should be obvious to a supposedly rational person..."marketing" is not really the immediate priority of USA military actions.
Best if you get a grip on the fact that reality is not really a "concept" that must be "sold" to a paying audience!
That whole style vs substance thing comes into play.
Stop and smell the manure!
Ask Haiti if they would choose the UN or the USA,if choice was possible, to "fix" the problems they allowed to inflict themselves with.
26 posted on 08/05/2003 8:00:55 PM PDT by sarasmom (Punish France, Ignore Germany, Forgive Russia. Canada-well they ARE mostly French)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Not to mention that the facts on the ground trump all the propaganda that can come out of any loud speaker or radio
27 posted on 08/05/2003 8:03:47 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
We have radio, TV, newspapers, magazines, leaflets, posters, billboards, meetings, daily interaction across the country.

Well, this is true, and I could imagine that TV might not be the most effective way of communicating over there. Radio and print may be the better way. On the other hand, if our efforts in these areas are as anemic as our effort in the TV department apparently are, then there is good reason for concern.

Surely the smart people we have in charge of things in Iraq have a handle on this. It would be monumentally stupid to overlook something important as being able to communicate, and to be persuasive, with the people you're trying to govern.

28 posted on 08/05/2003 8:07:01 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Adrastus
I'm sorry. That must have sounded sarcastic.

LOL. That's OK.

Are there any websites, addresses or whatever that can be contacted in Iraq? There has to be something that can be done.

This is a great idea. I heard that the Iraqis who've been isolated from the rest of the world for so long...are now starting to get online.

Let's face it...the internet has provided an excellent and popular alternative to the liberal media when it comes to news sources, right here in America.

Imagine what an Iraqi version of FreeRepublic or Townhall.com could do?

29 posted on 08/05/2003 8:07:18 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: MJY1288
Not to mention that the facts on the ground trump all the propaganda that can come out of any loud speaker or radio

The "facts on the ground" clearly don't trump all propaganda. Just look at the success our own liberal media has in coloring people's perception of things here in the US. The media has an effect on people's thinking. There's just no way around it. That's why it's important that we use the media to our advantage in Iraq.

30 posted on 08/05/2003 8:21:48 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Jorge
Of course we need a better PR machine. Ask those who were fighting the PR war during the 60s when the big 3 controlled the news and the info.

It's very frustrating to have the international press in enemy hands - but we do.

President Bush could try co-opting NPR. He asked the VOA team not to play pro-Taliban propaganda tapes from Osama Bin Laden in the early days of Afghan bombing and they stood up and walked out on our CIC in protest.

The ACLU, PFAW, Hollywood - THE activist press....are out of control. Not only in America, but around the world. They share talking points, learn from the instructors who share the same philosophy - run in the same circles.

Conservatives don't go into government work in large numbers - nor do many sit through liberal liberal arts schools to take on the Big Media.

We have more voices today, and the internet - but our enemies have 24/7 satellite and Madison Avenue-Hollywood creative talent - with no concern for the truth - or for lives destroyed on the path to power.

We bypassed the press in Florida to get the truth to the people. It can be done. Americans need to start paying attention.

31 posted on 08/05/2003 8:22:19 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Dems made freed slaves 2/3rds of a person because the freed slave vote would give the GOP the south.)
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To: Jorge
here is an Iraqi newswire source

Woman engineer vows to change face of impoverished Baghdad township

32 posted on 08/05/2003 8:24:32 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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To: Yardstick
I rerad somewhere that the main source of news for the Iraqi people is News Papers and currently there is over 50 being published in Iraq right now
33 posted on 08/05/2003 8:26:27 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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To: MJY1288
Thanks!
34 posted on 08/05/2003 8:28:35 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Yardstick
"This should be a government operation"

This IS a government operation. Managed by the left wing US State Department. If you have ever been overseas, you would realize just how pathetic our government's broadcasting services are.
35 posted on 08/05/2003 8:29:55 PM PDT by Beck_isright (Remember the Blue Ridge Corporation!!!! Damn the torpedoes and SEC, full speed ahead!)
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To: Jorge
Don't forget to save that link to your favorites folder, lots of great news from that source and should be posted here on FR as often as possible
36 posted on 08/05/2003 8:31:42 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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To: arasina
"What would make this person give up so quickly?"

The same type of idiots than answer the "1-800-ASK IRS" help lines, run our State Department. They are leftist, lazy, inept morons. Trust me on that one. But sleep tight. The same types are well entrenched in Homeland Security also.
37 posted on 08/05/2003 8:31:44 PM PDT by Beck_isright (Remember the Blue Ridge Corporation!!!! Damn the torpedoes and SEC, full speed ahead!)
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To: agitator
Well, took at the source (The Guardian)
38 posted on 08/05/2003 8:31:48 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Beck_isright
LOL, how correct you are!!!, it's like "NPR International" with Bill Moyer spewing the liberal agenda 24/7

I'll settle for silence over that clap trap :-)

39 posted on 08/05/2003 8:35:06 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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To: MJY1288
I read somewhere that the main source of news for the Iraqi people is News Papers

That wouldn't surprise me. Hopefully we're putting out some good newspapers over there.

40 posted on 08/05/2003 8:44:23 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick; All
Here is a little insight into Claypole, I think it will explain why he is gone ....

Towards Freedom: weighted in favour of US
 
A former adviser to efforts by the US and Britain to set up a post-war media network in Iraq has lifted the lid on the high degree of political control exerted over broadcasts by coalition authorities.

Stephen Claypole revealed that the Iraqi Media Network was originally intended to be run by Bob Reilly, a former director of the Voice of America radio station, giving it what he describes as "a degree of independence".

Although the station is US government-owned, it was considered relatively impartial.

However, amid Washington concerns that Jay Garner, the director of the post-war reconstruction effort in Iraq known as the Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance, was "not relating" to the Iraqi people, the Iraqi Media Network was kept firmly under US government control.

"It was the stuff of dreams for the White House and No 10 - direct control over the content of the evening news," Claypole wrote in the latest issue of Television, the journal of the Royal Television Society.

Veteran news boss Claypole, who was the founder of the TV news agency APTN and chairman of broadcast advisory company DMA-Media said all attempts to be independent was lost.

While IMN attempted to give the impression that it was conveying the views of ordinary Iraqis, it was heavily weighted in favour of the official US line, Claypole claimed.

"'We have got to have vox pops,' became the mantra, so that the Iraqi people can see themselves talking in an atmosphere of liberty.

"When the vox pops came back to the temporary studios with anti-American opinions, they were shelved for a day or two to be intercut with official ORHA responses."

Into this "dodgy mix", wrote Claypole, came a woman called Hero Talabani, the "exotic and cosmopolitan wife of the leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan".

Mrs Talabani, according to Claypole, managed to convince Margaret Tutwiler - the American ambassador to Morocco who had been drafted in to assist in the roll-out of the new civilian administration - "that she was the arbiter of public taste".

"After one morning meeting with the IMNtv team, it was decided to take a taped package to Mrs T's house for her to comment on the editorial content. The Iraqi exiles who formed the majority of IMNtv's staff threatened to strike," Claypole revealed.

As if tight government controls and the influence of exotic characters were not enough, IMN was also hampered by squalid surroundings and lack of communications equipment following attacks on Iraqi TV and radio stations during the war.

ORHA was located in a rambling palace, called the "Four Saddams", that had no running water or electricity, was covered in sand and infested by "mosquitoes, sand fleas and large black rats".

To make matters worse, those working for ORHA were not allowed to go anywhere unless accompanied by soldiers and special forces.

"No thought was given to why the military had precision bombed most of the TV and radio stations and transmission systems in Iraq," wrote Claypole.

"On the ground, the only means of communication was Thuraya satellite phones that worked so poorly they were known as 'Thuraya Heaps'."

In the immediate aftermath of the war in Iraq, the Americans broadcast Towards Freedom Television from a Hercules transport plane flying above the country, showing Fox News, NBC, ABC and CBS dubbed into Arabic but otherwise unedited.

CNN declined to participate in the transmission because it did not feel it was appropriate for an "independent global news organisation" to participate in an American government transmission.

The inaugural broadcast on Towards Freedom TV featured Tony Blair and George Bush delivering messages in a bid to reassure the Iraqi people that the US and Britain wanted "the government of Iraq and the future of your country" to belong to Iraqis.

Britain also made its own hour-long contribution to the channel, produced by independent TV company World Television at a cost of £10,000 to the MoD.

As only around 10% of Iraqis have access to television, according to a US military spokesman, the American and British authorities have also set up radio stations and newspapers in the aftermath of the war.

· To give MediaGuardian a story email editor@mediaguardian.co.uk or phone 020 7239 9857

41 posted on 08/05/2003 9:04:16 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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To: Yardstick; All
Here is the link to the above story... Sorry

The Guardian

42 posted on 08/05/2003 9:14:07 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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To: Beck_isright; Jorge; Ragtime Cowgirl; Kaslin; sarasmom; agitator; vbmoneyspender; SAMWolf; ...
See post #41 for some insight into Stephen Staypole, he is obviously a leftist and I'm glad to see him outta there. I also read an opinion piece of his back in novemeber of 2001 where he said the U.S. media was using the picture of 9/11 as a tool and it should be considered "pornographic" and not used anymore.
43 posted on 08/05/2003 9:24:22 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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To: MJY1288
LOL, Staypole = Claypole
44 posted on 08/05/2003 9:25:01 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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To: Kaslin
that's why I said "if" :)
45 posted on 08/06/2003 3:10:21 AM PDT by agitator (Ok, mic check...line one...)
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To: MJY1288
Thank you for that info, MJY1288.

Would you consider doing a separate thread on him? Propaganda war indeed. Stephen Claypole is no objective participant. FoxNews hasn't a clue.

I'm still wondering about the Clinton holdovers who quit because of the Museum looting. The press hasn't investigated that story. The press lied. They undermined our troops - turned many in the watching world against our troops just as our troops marched into Baghdad to cheering crowds and worked to assure the Iraqi people that we respected their culture and history.

The Museum workers who moved the antiquities to the bank vault knew that they weren't stolen from day one, and only came forward AFTER weeks of anti-American bashing from the press. No follow-up, no investigation, no apology, no accountability from the accusers.

Those on the left still pretend to care about the safety of our troops as they toss literal bombs in their path daily.

Still waiting, as well, for the big press investigation into the Al Jazeera and other reporters on Saddam's payroll who ignored Saddam's mass-murder, took Saddam's money and spread anti-American propaganda for years. They have a lot to lose if when the truth is exposed. Are they still on Saddam's payroll?

46 posted on 08/06/2003 4:55:00 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Dems made freed slaves 2/3rds of a person because the freed slave vote would give the GOP the south.)
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To: MJY1288
So-called "Voice Of Free Iraq" is a clymer
47 posted on 08/06/2003 8:12:14 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Dems made freed slaves 2/3rds of a person because the freed slave vote would give the GOP the south.)
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To: MJY1288
Very interesting. You're right, he sounds like a leftist dweeb. Why was he chosen in the first place?

As only around 10% of Iraqis have access to television...

This would explain why we're apparantly not pouring the money into our TV efforts.

"...the only means of communication was Thuraya satellite phones that worked so poorly they were known as 'Thuraya Heaps'."

"Thuraya Heaps"!

Points for wit for whoever thought that up. If it was an Iraqi, then there is definite hope that we can make a civilization out that place. The Afghanis never would have thought of that.

48 posted on 08/07/2003 9:17:41 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
I believe it was wise to send that guy packing, Liberals are not capable of inspiring self determination, and in a country like Iraq where everyone has been under the thumb of a tyrant like Saddam, we don't need a socialist liberal like this moron telling the people of Iraq to depend on the coalition forces for their every need. We need someone to spell out what it means to be free and self reliant, and this bafoon Claypole is incapable of grasping that approach.

Claypole, like many other liberals, they believe that it's their responsibility to make sure that those who are the most successful should provide for those who lack the skills to provide for themselves. Socialism is a failed concept because it doesn't reward excellence. If and when we neglect to reward excellence in this country, is the day we have lost everything this country was founded on.

A liberal believes in providing a months supply of Fish for anyone who feels they can't fend for themselves, along with the Time/Date and Place when the next delivery can be expected,

A Conservative believes in providing a fishing pole for those who want to work, along with directions to the nearest fishingh hole

49 posted on 08/07/2003 9:58:08 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Enemies of America can Count on the Democrats for Aid and Comfort)
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