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Tax Revolt: Wisconsin Style
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | August 8, 2003 | Meg Jones

Posted on 08/08/2003 5:55:22 AM PDT by ninenot

Groups rally for, against Doyle veto on GOP limits

By MEG JONES
mjones@journalsentinel.com
Last Updated: Aug. 7, 2003

Kenosha - Promising to start a tax revolution in Wisconsin, hundreds of taxpayers fed up with the governor's veto of strict limits on local property taxes showed their displeasure during a rally Thursday night.

Chanting "Support the freeze," a crowd of more than 400 listened to legislators and rally organizers complain about taxes.

"The taxpayers have woke up and are revolting," said Ralph Lisowski, who helped organize the event at a Kenosha restaurant.

"Our intent is to start a new revolution with a shout heard 'round the state," Lisowski said as the crowd cheered.

Outside the Parkway Chateau Brat Stop as folks walked into the rally, more than 100 people clad in red shirts marched in a circle with signs that said: "More Cuts Will Hurt Kids" and "Let Locally Elected Leaders Make LOCAL decisions."

While legislators and Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle debate the Republican-proposed limits on taxes, residents on both sides of the issue expressed their views Thursday by picketing, chanting, waving signs and wearing red or blue shirts.

Supporters of the tax limits wore blue because it signifies a freeze and represents blue-collar workers, Lisowski said. Those in favor of Doyle's veto wore red for contrast with blue.

Regardless of apparel color, the sentiments were fervent on each side.

David Singer, a Kenosha County Board member, marched with those who backed Doyle's veto because he said he supports local control. Serving his third two-year term, Singer said Kenosha County has managed to control its costs while the state's budget has spiraled into a $3.2 billion deficit.

"The state already controls most of the taxes, and now they want to control property taxes," said Singer as he walked with his Dalmatian, Cleo, who, like Singer, was wearing red.

Neal Skrenes, a Kenosha middle school teacher, said he worries about the effect tax limits might have on school districts. He said enrollment in the Kenosha School District is rising because families are moving to the area.

"That means we'll need more schools and more staffing. How can we do that without raising money?" he asked.

But Bill Peterson of Pleasant Prairie said he's not against teachers, he's against high taxes.

"I'm 100% for education, but I'm getting taxed to death," said Peterson, who said the property tax bill on his home has risen from $84 to $3,300 since he bought it in 1956.

"We bought our home to live in in our retirement and to die there, and they're taxing us out of our home," Peterson said.

'Freeze it!'

Several Republican legislators attended the rally, including Senate Majority Leader Mary Panzer (R-West Bend) and Sen. Alberta Darling (R-River Hills), who wore yellow stickers that read "Support the Freeze."

"You're starting the Wisconsin tax revolution tonight," Darling said before leading the crowd in a chant of "Freeze it!"

The rally was one of two scheduled for this week in the Milwaukee area. On Saturday, Citizens for Responsible Government will hold a 2 p.m. rally at Serb Memorial Hall in Milwaukee.

On Thursday, Republican leaders in the Capitol scheduled an override vote for Tuesday. In order to overturn Doyle's veto, it would take a two-thirds vote in both the Senate and Assembly. Republicans control the Senate 18-15 and the Assembly 59-40.

Republicans need 22 votes in the Senate to override, which means four Democrats would have to join the GOP. So far, Democratic Sens. Tim Carpenter of Milwaukee and Jeff Plale of South Milwaukee have said they will vote to override the veto or are leaning that way.

An override vote will be held first in the Senate and then, if needed, in the Assembly. If the Senate fails to override the veto, no Assembly vote would be taken.

The proposed three-year limit on local property taxes was included in the 2003-'05 state budget passed by the Republican-controlled Legislature. Under those caps, municipalities could increase property taxes only for new construction costs or by referendum. Schools would have been allowed to increase their revenue from property taxes by 2% in the first year of the budget and 1.6% in the second.

Doyle vetoed the measure last month, saying it would strip local leaders of their decision-making ability and devastate services and programs.

Doyle makes a push

And the governor hammered home those points again Thursday when he launched his own effort to rally public opinion behind his veto.

Doyle stood with mayors and uniformed emergency workers outside city halls in La Crosse and Chippewa Falls, saying he was forced to be the "grown-up in charge" in the Capitol by vetoing the Legislature's "arrogant" plan to cripple local services and public schools.

The governor was scheduled to make a similar appearance in Stevens Point today.

Doyle again predicted he would win a Tuesday state Senate vote to override his veto, saying too much is at stake now for legislators to enact the GOP plan over his objections.

"It's one thing to stick this in the budget, knowing that there's a grown-up as governor who is going to take care of it and veto it," Doyle said in Chippewa Falls. "It's another thing to say, 'OK, we're really going to cut our schools by $400 million over the next two years, we're going to tell local leaders that they're all big spendthrifts.' I think that's a very hard vote for a legislator to take."

In La Crosse, Doyle said: "It's really arrogant that people in one part of the state are telling people in another part of the state what to do."

Mayors at Doyle's side in the two cities echoed that theme.

"Shouldn't all levels of state government be focused on helping local decision-makers, rather than dictating terms and limits to how we spend your tax dollars?" asked Chippewa Falls Mayor Doug Sandvick.

A former Democratic legislator, La Crosse Mayor John Medinger, said he was developing a 2004 budget that would hold property taxes "at the level of 2003" - something Doyle has repeatedly asked all elected local officials to do voluntarily.

Steven Walters of the Journal Sentinel staff, reporting from Madison, and correspondent David Marcou, reporting from La Crosse, contributed to this report.


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Reports from FReepers present indicate that there were around 450 tax-freeze advocates (the good guys) and about 50 Teachers' Union members who were against the freeze picketing outside.
1 posted on 08/08/2003 5:55:24 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: ninenot
"Our intent is to start a new revolution with a shout heard 'round the state," Lisowski said as the crowd cheered. Well, his shout has been heard internationally on the Free Republic Network.
2 posted on 08/08/2003 6:02:10 AM PDT by BostonianRightist (smash the reds!!)
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To: ninenot
Property taxes in Wisconsin are outrageous. I own two homes on different waterfront properties in Minnesota and my brother lives "in town" across the border in Wisconsin. About 5 years ago, he built a new home, three bedroom, about 3000 square feet. Nice home but not palatial. He pays more in property taxes for his one home than I do for my two homes in Minnesota. Either of my places would bring more in sale than his would.

As a result, many taxpaying citizens of this Wisconsin town leave and more across the state line. This allows them to pay less taxes, stay close to their birthplaces, and continue to work their jobs regardless of which state they work in.

The result is that more taxpayers leave and more tax consumers remain shifting an even greater tax load on those who choose to remain.

3 posted on 08/08/2003 6:10:30 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: ninenot
Having picked our pockets to the limit at the Federal and State levels, the tax-and-spend locusts are putting the heat on local officials to keep their gravy train flowing by raising local taxes, on top of everything else. They resent every dime left in the pockets of citizens who create the wealth they believe they have a right to mooch.

Solution to government deficits: CUT SPENDING. Starting with the bloated "defense budget", and continuing with the secular religious institutions known as the public schools. The school systems are indoctrination centers, not learning centers. For details, see: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/

The Underground History of American Education
A Schoolteacher's Intimate Investigation
Into The Problem Of Modern Schooling
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/index.htm

For links to the book chapters, see:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm

4 posted on 08/08/2003 6:17:04 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: ninenot
Those in favor of Doyle's veto wore red for contrast with blue.

Nah, they wore red because they are commie pinko socialists... but that's just a guess ;0)

5 posted on 08/08/2003 6:19:06 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (The wages of sin are death, but by the time FICA and SSI are taken, it's just sorta tired feeling)
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To: ninenot
Doyle stood with mayors and uniformed emergency workers outside city halls in La Crosse and Chippewa Falls, saying he was forced to be the "grown-up in charge" in the Capitol by vetoing the Legislature's "arrogant" plan to cripple local services and public schools.

Okay, all you tax-paying "children," Doyle says you're all just too young and stupid to question his judgement.

Notice who was gathered to tell you how stupid and selfish you all are. Every single one of those people is on the government payroll, being paid with your money to tell you have no business trying to stop them from taking more of your money for themselves. This is the apex of a conflict of interest. Every single one of those "Uniformed emergency workers" should be immediately fired and have all of their benefits revoked. By attending this event, they ceased being "public servants" and have become policy wonks and political hacks.

6 posted on 08/08/2003 6:32:48 AM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: ninenot
"The taxpayers have woke up and are revolting," said Ralph Lisowski, who helped organize the event at a Kenosha restaurant.

"They stink on ice!"

7 posted on 08/08/2003 6:36:52 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Orangedog
It's not hard to figure out where local and national support for the Democrat Party comes from: the AFSCME, the Firefighter's Union, the Police Union, and the Teachers' Union.

While the NEA/Teachers' bunch provides the money and the bodies, along with the AFSCME (miscellaneous Gummint workers,) the Firefighters provide the muscle--literally roughing up anti-Democrat protesters, such as at the AlGore rally in DePere, Wi. during the last campaign.

Total State/Local tax burden in Wisconsin places us 4th in the USA; we are paying about 120% of the national average in taxes. At the same time, Wisconsin workers earn about 85% of the national average. The effect: excruciating pain.

"Ayatollah" Doyle, a thug in his own right, is now in the running for Irony of the Year with his commment that '...no one should have to [take orders] from a distant place..' (in running their local government.) He conveniently forgets about Wisconsin's Dept of Education, Department of Natural Resources, and Department of Transportation---ALL of which, from liberal-bedwetter-socialist-Madison, dictate local policies and procedures on a regular basis.

This is only Chapter One of the revolt. It's posted PRECISELY to get national FReeper attention--to make it known that the Tax Revolt is beginning to be national in scope, and will NOT BE IGNORED.
8 posted on 08/08/2003 6:49:36 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: ninenot
"It's another thing to say, 'OK, we're really going to cut our schools by $400 million over the next two years, we're going to tell local leaders that they're all big spendthrifts.' I think that's a very hard vote for a legislator to take."

The truth is often hard to take...

9 posted on 08/08/2003 6:50:21 AM PDT by trebb
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To: johniegrad
The result is that more taxpayers leave and more tax consumers remain shifting an even greater tax load on those who choose to remain.

WEAC's magazine, the house organ for the educrat goons, had a nice article recently on retiring in OTHER states, to escape Wisconsin's confiscatory taxes. Hypocrites.
10 posted on 08/08/2003 6:55:08 AM PDT by Kozak (" No mans life liberty or property is safe when the legislature is in session." Mark Twain)
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To: trebb
What you have here is Doyle talking out of both sides of his posterior. On the one hand, he's telling people to trust their local politicians not to raise taxes, and on the other he's talking baout a $400 million cut to schools if taxes aren't raised. Just how STUPID does he think we are?

Either his precious teachers union members are going to get the 400 million or they're not.

I'd prefer not.

11 posted on 08/08/2003 6:55:23 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: ninenot
To give non-Wisconsin Freepers some idea of Wisconsin property taxes.


117,900 asking price City of Milwaukee --- $2649.00 taxes

115,900 asking price City of Glendale --- $2188.00 taxes

116,900 asking price City of South Milwaukee $2070.00 taxes

117,900 asking price City of Greenfield -- $2240.00 taxes

117,900 asking price Village of West Milwaukee $3211.00 taxes

114,900 asking price City of Cudahy --- $2611.00 taxes

These are all communities in Milwaukee county with numbers taken from a local real estate site. These taxes are on top of a large income tax.

These are not luxurious homes.
12 posted on 08/08/2003 7:04:24 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Kozak
Until we get rid of the confiscatory public service employee pensions we will have confiscatory property taxes. We need to take all the teachers pension balances that we have already funded and convert them to 401K plans and then have the teachers contribute to their own pension plans just like the rest of us regular folks.
13 posted on 08/08/2003 7:11:45 AM PDT by tom paine 2
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To: ninenot
Great post!
I love a tax revolution.

I hope the taxpayers in Wisconsin have the heart and stamina to keep the heat on this disgusting scumbag Jim Doyle. Work hard for those override votes and make sure that the scumbag Democrats understand that they will pay dearly if they don't protect homeowners from exobinant, confiscatory property taxes.

Know what? Just last year the tax revolution WORKED in Tennessee, and it can work in Wisconsin, too.
14 posted on 08/08/2003 7:17:39 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard; sinkspur; ELS; BlackElk; Aquinasfan; NYer; Desdemona; maryz; patent; narses; ...
Thanks for your encouragement.

PING LIST: This article is not on our typical thread--but I ping you to get the national exposure this story deserves.
15 posted on 08/08/2003 7:27:46 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: ninenot
I take it you have a state income tax.

Our property taxes in Texas are outrageous, and we have a high sales tax.

But, thankfully, no income tax.

16 posted on 08/08/2003 7:34:33 AM PDT by sinkspur ("I've got brown sandwiches, and green sandwiches." Oscar Madison in THE ODD COUPLE.)
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To: sinkspur
State Income Tax is graduated, takes 6.95% at AGI over $50K (more or less...) State Sales Tax is 5%, locals can add another 1/2 of 1%. State Gasoline Tax is #2 in the country. State Cig Tax is # 4 in the country.

Those are the easy ones...
17 posted on 08/08/2003 7:38:35 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: ninenot
More examples of liberal MEDIA BIAS:

(remember this is an article about a LARGE group of tax-freeze supporters, and a much SMALLER group of tax-freeze opponents)

1. SIZE - The tax-freeze supporters (taxpayers) outnumbered the tax-freeze opponents (teacher's unions) at this rally. Yet the Journal/Sentinel prints a larger picture of the tax-freeze opponents than the tax-freeze supporters. The ratio in the printed paper's picture size is probably 3 to 1.

2. CONTENT - The larger picture of the tax-freeze opponents shows a bunch of happy faces, while the picture of the tax-freeze supporters is of (what looks like) an angry mob.

3. CONTENT - The smaller picture of the tax-freeze supporters features the view toward the armpit of one of the supporters (who is holding up a sign)

4. PLACEMENT - On the printed copy of this liberal paper, the larger picture of the tax-freeze opponents is placed ABOVE the fold on the front page, while the smaller picture of the tax-freeze supporters is at the BOTTOM of the page.

Even on the website there is the same liberal emphasis.

A PERFECT example of liberal bias (what you CHOOSE to publish, how you emphasize it, how you place the photos, what the tone is)

I have to emphasize again that it was the tax-freeze supporters that OUTNUMBERED, by at least 4 to 1, the opponents.

But, glancing at a liberal newspaper, you got the OPPOSITE IDEA!

Journalists = Objective?? HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!

18 posted on 08/08/2003 7:38:59 AM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: BostonianRightist; sinkspur; Lancey Howard; tom paine 2; MediaMole; Trust but Verify; Kozak; ...
Please see my reply on the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel's liberal media bias regarding the tax-freeze rally in Kenosha, Wisconsin at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/960424/posts?page=1#18

19 posted on 08/08/2003 7:45:52 AM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: ninenot
Gosh, I don't think I could afford my house in Wisconsin. And the income tax......nope, I'd have to scale down considerably. No wonder so many seniors retire in Texas and Florida.
21 posted on 08/08/2003 7:47:49 AM PDT by sinkspur ("I've got brown sandwiches, and green sandwiches." Oscar Madison in THE ODD COUPLE.)
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To: sandyeggo
Sell before the balloon bursts, whatever you do.

In your pos, I'd be selling, investing the cash at interest, and spending the time before moving in a cheap dump.
24 posted on 08/08/2003 8:09:59 AM PDT by dsc
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To: sandyeggo
Having moved from Sacramento to Wisconsin in 97 it's a wash on taxes. The real estate taxes are higher, but the sales, income and other taxes are lower. No where near the fee's you pay in Cali example, I saved $1200 a year in auto registration fees ( 50/ vehicle ) when I moved. Same for professional license etc etc. Cost of living also much lower, with wages somewhat lower ( although not so in my own case ;-). Your lovely state however is a poster boy of bad liberal social and fiscal policy. It's well on the way to being a third world country of the poor masses with a few fabulously wealthy. Of course if the liberals here have their way we will be following. Locals are always complaining we "don't have enough diversity". As the hispanic and asian immigrants arrive en mass. Won't be happy until we have a tower of Bable here as well.
25 posted on 08/08/2003 8:10:38 AM PDT by Kozak (" No mans life liberty or property is safe when the legislature is in session." Mark Twain)
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To: sandyeggo
A house of the same size and situation as yours would cost roughly 120-150K here in Texas. That's for a newly-built two-story house in a prestige neighborhood on the edge of town (the lot would be approximately 1/2 acre depending on neighborhood). An existing house of that size in an established neighborhood would likely run around 100K.

Our modest little home (1300 ft^2, brick, inside city limits, built in 1952) cost us 80K. The mortgage runs about $700/month; property taxes under 1K/year. We have no state income taxes here in Texas.

Yes, the weather here is harsh. It's 109°F here today with no end in sight, but that's why Mr. Carrier invented air conditioning. Winters are cold, gray, and windy, but generally snow and ice-free. Yes, we have occasional tornadoes and hurricanes and hail, but you can see those coming and get out of the way. What we don't have are earthquakes, riots, mudslides, wildfires, or Sacramento.

As a former resident of Southern California myself, I invite you to consider relocating to Texas. I can't imagine going back to LA under any circumstances. Life is good here. It's not San Diego, with its sea breezes and salt air, but our state has its own unique charms: the rugged beauty of the Hill Country, the vast plains of North Texas, the Southern atmosphere of East Texas, the Tex-Mex spiciness of South Texas, and of course the Wide-Open Spaces out west. We have bayous and swamps, deserts and canyons, amber waves of grain and mountains, and in springtime it's wildflowers as far as the eye can see. We have big cities (complete with 24-hour lifestyle, deli foods, and gay nightclubs) and small towns (that roll up the sidewalks at 8 pm, sell black-eyed peas out of the back of a pickup truck, and have honky-tonks) and soulless suburbs that look just like the ones in OC (with megastores, freeway restaurants, and The Mall). We have lakes, rivers, forests, a prairie; we have ocean access; we have good roads, great food, wonderful beer, and the nicest people in the world (and in all colors).

This is Texas. The only thing we don't have is snowskiing (but someday, when we reclaim “Colorado”, we'll have that, too). Y'all are all invited to come on down.

(Plus we have more Anglcan Use parishes than any other state!)
28 posted on 08/08/2003 8:24:09 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: ninenot
...there were around 450 tax-freeze advocates (the good guys) and about 50 Teachers' Union members who were against the freeze picketing outside.

Maybe that's why the Urinal/Sentinel chose to put a picture of the teachers' union above the fold on the front page which was three times the size of the below-the-fold picture of the pro-override group...

29 posted on 08/08/2003 8:26:57 AM PDT by brewcrew
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To: sandyeggo
I live in Greendale, a nice suburb of Milwaukee. My house is a ranch style, approx. 1600 sq. feet, on a 90 x 130 lot, 3 bedrooms, 1 full plus 2 half baths, attached 2-car garage.

The local government's assessment of my house has been raised to $172,000, from $157,800. By state law, houses must be re-assessed ever 4 (or 3?) years. Last year's property tax on this house is $4,426, but this includes garbage pickup, and some other fees that areas charge separately. This ends up being about a 2.8% tax (per year) on the value of your house.

You think you own your house? Don't pay your property tax, and we'll see who owns it! That's why I call my property tax the "rent" I pay to Government. Sure this is a distortion of the English language, but in effect, it is true!!

On top of this, in Milwaukee County we have a 5.6% sales tax, and Wisconsin state income tax rates of 6.5 and 6.75%. Oh yes, and one of the highest gas taxes in the land. Gasoline was about 1.69/gallon here yesterday.

Wisconsin ranks 48 out of 50 in state and local taxes, (only Maine and NY are worse)

http://taxfoundation.org/press-bestworststates.html

30 posted on 08/08/2003 8:28:59 AM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: MediaMole
These are all communities in Milwaukee county with numbers taken from a local real estate site. These taxes are on top of a large income tax. These are not luxurious homes

"NOT LUXURIOUS" is an understatement! These have to be tiny starter homes or major fixer-uppers. A modest 1300 sq foot ranch presently sells in my neighborhood for $160,000-$170,000. Our property taxes last year were about $3200, and I expect them to rise to $3600 or higher this year, as we were hit with a $30,000 increase in our assessment for this tax year.

31 posted on 08/08/2003 8:36:28 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (My kid might play the game, but don't you EVER call me a SOCCER MOM!!!!!)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
Starting with the bloated "defense budget"

Defense is one of the few things that the Feds are constitutionally allowed to do (Defense, Foreign relations and interstate trade). If you want to cut lets start with welfare, education, interior, endowments for the arts and humanities etc.

We can sell off illegal federal lands (the fedgov has no constitutional authority to hold forests and non-DOD reserves) and have enough to pay at least one years worth of the budget, especially since the costs of maintaining these lands goes away and the lands start producing revenue again.

Defense is not the problem in the fedgov.

32 posted on 08/08/2003 8:40:57 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: B-Chan
I love Texas, and would move there in a heartbeat if it weren't for family. My husband often curses his ancestors for settling here..."It's just like the Old Country", he imagines them saying and then adds "yeah, but the Old Country SUCKED!" LOL!
33 posted on 08/08/2003 8:42:20 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (My kid might play the game, but don't you EVER call me a SOCCER MOM!!!!!)
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To: B-Chan
Oh, one more thing:

We have cold temperatures in winter, and with high taxes, this is not a good incentive to keep our graduates here. We spend a fortune on K-12 education, and have a very good UW system. Wisconsin has one of the highest SAT scores in the country. Despite high SAT scores, we have high taxes! (or is it the other way around?!?)

With our above average "investments" in education, there have been many reports of a "brain drain" to other states. So our education dollars are in effect helping other states.

I hope the other 49 states thank us!

Wisconsin does not have the highest taxes in any one category, but add up all the taxes, then we are in the top 3.

Vanity thought: I have wondered if the North Pole were a tax-free zone, would people move there??

34 posted on 08/08/2003 8:43:35 AM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: ninenot
"More Cuts Will Hurt Kids"

Liberalspeak for "I want everyone elses wages in my pocketbook."

Supporters of the tax limits wore blue because it signifies a freeze and represents blue-collar workers, Lisowski said. Those in favor of Doyle's veto wore red for contrast with blue support of their communist views.

Regardless of apparel color, the sentiments were fervent on each side.

Red to represent coveting their neighbors goods, Satanic doctrine. Blue for rightnousness, or "learn to fish". The war of evil against good.

"That means we'll need more schools and more staffing. How can we do that without raising money?"

Who will increase the teachers union pay and numbers? Where will they get facist money to buy politicians? Who will pay for homosexual lessons? The childrens abortions?

"We bought our home to live in in our retirement and to die there, and they're taxing us out of our home,"

DUH! That's the idea. You're to be herded into housing complexes. How can we live in a dictatorship if you don'y obey?


37 posted on 08/08/2003 9:08:48 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("He who controls communications rules the world." - Adolf Hitler)
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To: Orangedog
... to tell you how stupid and selfish you all are. Every single one of those people is on the government payroll, being paid with your money to tell you have no business trying to stop them from taking more of your money for themselves.

Bump

38 posted on 08/08/2003 9:10:10 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("He who controls communications rules the world." - Adolf Hitler)
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To: hripka
With our above average "investments" in education, there have been many reports of a "brain drain" to other states.

The reports are true. Hopefully, I'll be leaving too! As a lifelong resident of this state, I have benefitted from the wonderful education system. My public high school was great, and I have paid a low price for a world-class education. $4,000/year for Wisconsin undergraduate, and right now I'm finishing at Wisconsin law school for a mere $9,000/year. And both the undergraduate and law school are top-tier.

Unfortunately, there's little to do when I graduate. The best jobs are not in this state, and I know from hearing my parents bitch constantly that the taxes are a true pain. Why should I stay? Right now is the major recruiting time for law students graduating in May. I'm sending out hundreds of resumes, with maybe 10 going to in-state firms and state agencies.(Anyone want to give me a job lead? :) Wish me luck.
39 posted on 08/08/2003 9:27:00 AM PDT by July 4th
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
The Bloated "defense Budget should NEVER be lowered, it should be the BIGGEST govenment outlay, that is it's MAIN job.

SSI, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, all these damn grants, highway funds, etc, etc, should be gutted, this is not the fed's job.

Public schools should be privatized and vouchers should be the beginning of the end for them before cutting them off from the public troft completely.

Cutting defense, Not in my lifetime you don't, I like freedom, thank you very much.
40 posted on 08/08/2003 9:38:53 AM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
Well said! The defense budget should be $500 billion. Get rid of or phase-out all the other fed programs. The gov't should just pay for defense, state dept and post service anyway.
41 posted on 08/08/2003 9:44:20 AM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: MediaMole
I pay 21,000.00 a year in property taxes in Franklin.
My kids go to private schools so no burden on the franklin school district. My monthly mortgage payment 1500.00
my monthly tax accrual 1750.00.
Saved all my life to buy the land and build a home of my dreams only to have franklin try to tax me out of it.
42 posted on 08/08/2003 11:36:12 AM PDT by robjna
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To: ninenot
"This is only Chapter One of the revolt"

You got that right brother.

The final chapter will be Civil War II. The book
contains a reasonable account of what is to come.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0929408179/002-6285909-2359260?vi=glance
43 posted on 08/08/2003 12:06:49 PM PDT by HadEnough
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To: sinkspur
I forget the real name but the there is a town in Florida nicknamed little Minnesota, because so many people from MN retire to there.
44 posted on 08/08/2003 12:17:52 PM PDT by Sinner6 (Any one want to buy a chinchilla?)
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To: robjna
Typical "selfish" response from an obviously "mean-spirited" right-wing extremist!! </tongue-in-cheek>

When I was being trained in Uncle Massa's re-education camps, my 8th grade "English" teacher made us memorize

"from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" Of course at the time we were not told that this Commie ho was quoting Marx and Engels. Later in life I came to recognize the source of "Workers of the world UNITE!"

That's why the RED clothing is so appropriate.
45 posted on 08/08/2003 12:19:52 PM PDT by HadEnough
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
If cutting the defense budget is the kind of thinking in those links no one should bother going there for anything but nonsense. We may have to increase the defense budget before our enemies have enough.
46 posted on 08/08/2003 1:44:02 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: HadEnough
Actually, that's a quote from St. Paul. The part nobody mentions is that "let him who will not work, starve."
47 posted on 08/08/2003 2:01:38 PM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: ninenot
*in my best Wisconsin accent*
Aw, well gee wiz, it's that niiiice?

I love the smell of tax revolts in the morning. Good work, keep it up.

From one of the Recall propenents at the beginning of the process, I just wanted to say; you're welcome.

Sincerely,
California

48 posted on 08/08/2003 2:38:29 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock on October 7, 2003!)
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To: robjna
Wow, I just looked up Franklin's taxes. They are obscene.

A $250,000 house in Wauwatosa has about $3000 in taxes while a $250,000 house in Franklin has taxes of nearly $6000.

It's just typical of this state.
49 posted on 08/08/2003 2:50:27 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Lancey Howard
I salute the people of Wisconsin and Tennessee! Great Americans.
50 posted on 08/08/2003 3:12:57 PM PDT by maxwellp (Throw the U.N. in the garbage where it belongs.)
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