Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

GOVERNOR BUSTAMONTE AND LEARNING TO DO SIMPLE MATH

Posted on 08/08/2003 2:51:44 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine

California registered voters, by party.

To all the mathematics challenged "true conservatives" gleefully carving up the GOP votes with more candidates, please carefully observe the numerical superiority in the number of registered Democrats - nearly 1.5 million - which is augmented by roughly 150,000 green party members.

Also look at the group of 2.3 million unregistered voters - a group which is not historically wedded to the "true conservative" wing of the CaliforniaGOP - a fact borne out in several elections.

If one considers that Cruz Bustamonte is enthusiastically backed by the state apparatus if the majority of the voters go over the threshhold and ashcan Davis (which I'm now in doubt over, since Simon is entering), and considering that there is no credible prominent Democrat opposition to him, then how does it help to carve up the GOP vote by having Simon and McClintock at the same time as Schwarzenegger?


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: californiagov; schwarzenegger
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-109 next last
(!)
1 posted on 08/08/2003 2:51:45 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: habs4ever; sinkspur; Poohbah; Catspaw
Clean link. Sorry.
2 posted on 08/08/2003 2:53:24 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
It allows the Demorats to maintain the Governorship while the good ship California goes down with all hands?

(not my desired outcome, go Arnie!)
3 posted on 08/08/2003 2:54:47 PM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dane; Cultural Jihad
.
4 posted on 08/08/2003 2:57:03 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Goreknowshowtocheat; Wolfstar
.
5 posted on 08/08/2003 2:59:06 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance
.
6 posted on 08/08/2003 3:01:03 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Torie
.
7 posted on 08/08/2003 3:01:50 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
All I can say is that it is going to be an interesting next two months in California.
8 posted on 08/08/2003 3:02:20 PM PDT by Dane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: PhiKapMom; unspun
.
9 posted on 08/08/2003 3:03:54 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
Best wishes.
10 posted on 08/08/2003 3:07:58 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: TheDon
*Donning asbestos underwear*
Best possible outcome would be Bustabudget winning. If a Republican (or Arnie the RINO) wins, he faces a hostile legislature and only has two years 'fore the next election to do anything. Bascially, all he will accomplish is making the Republicans look worse. "Why isn't it fixed already?" the PRK'ers will whine.
Let the People's Republik of Kalifornia go down in flames with a Democrat at the controls. That is the best chance conservatives have. This whole recall was a crummy idea from the start, like starting a mutiny on the Titantic while its sinking.
11 posted on 08/08/2003 3:09:11 PM PDT by Little Ray (When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
The California conservatives are being extremely clever. Bear with me here.

The next Governor will be elected with a minority of voter support, will face an impossible task, and will go down in flames in three years, assuming he's not recalled first.

So, you want to get people out to recall the failed Governor Davis, but the only person you really want to win is your worst enemy.

That's Bustamonte. Republicans split their votes and Bustamonte wins a squeaker over Ah-nold.

12 posted on 08/08/2003 3:13:14 PM PDT by Dog Gone (Okay, I'm putting the best spin on this that I can)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
Interesting California voting data. I haven't done the math myself yet. I better get out my pencil and calculator.

Thanks for the link.
13 posted on 08/08/2003 3:13:23 PM PDT by shempy (tick tock said the clock)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Little Ray
...like starting a mutiny on the Titantic while its sinking.

That is the most excellent analogy I have seen in a very long time!

14 posted on 08/08/2003 3:14:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
You're giving them more credit for more smarts than they ever exhibited before - they're not that capable strategically.

Besides, I'm in the camp that says its always better to get the office, and deal with it, warts and all.

15 posted on 08/08/2003 3:17:51 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
I think there's at least the possibility that Ah-nold could do some good. He's a lot smarter than most give him credit for, and he's very keen on cutting the budget.

He has charisma and star power, and I think that's what is needed when it comes to selling Californians on a new political direction. He's probably not super-frugal, but he understands the need to cut the budget deeply so businesses and individuals will stick around.

All in all, I'm inclined to give him a shot. He can't be any worse than "head in the sand Davis", and he could be truly great.

Thoughts?

D
16 posted on 08/08/2003 3:19:30 PM PDT by daviddennis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
Anyone notice how the liberal media aren't reporting Arnold's poll numbers?
17 posted on 08/08/2003 3:20:02 PM PDT by jimbo123
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
I was ambivalent about the recall effort from the start (even though I signed a recall petition -- I did so half-heartedly, because Gray Davis is the most corrupt politician in America). My ambivalence stemmed, in part, from the fact that it was like rolling a bomb into a crowded room...you couldn't predict or control where it would go off and who it would take out.

Let's face it: the recall effort was started by a group of conservative Republicans (not all conservative Republican were behind the recall from the start, but those at the start were conservative Republicans). They should have known from the start that while they might have a good chance at taking out Gray Davis, once the recall qualified for the ballot, they couldn't control the end result. I consider it ironic that those who most strongly pushed the whole recall effort are now those who are "disgusted" with the prospect of Arnold Schwartzenegger becoming Governor out of the process. You wanted Davis out? You're going to get Davis out (in and of itself a good thing), but to those who started this process, you can't complain if the end result isn't what you envisioned.

And what has Cruz Bustamante ever done, other than being a political parasite living off the system? I think he lists his occupation as "Government." He was in the Legislature, in fact he was Speaker of the Assembly, and as far as I can tell, sat idly by as California sank further into the abyss. Arnold's entry sealed Gray Davis' fate. And his presence in the campaign may be the only insurance that that little opportunist Bustamante doesn't get in.

18 posted on 08/08/2003 3:21:36 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Little Ray
If the mutiny was over who had a better idea...1.(Status quo)staying on the boat or, 2.(mutiny)getting some people off...the mutiny is better, yes? Living in Kalifornia I was not too excited over living with 3 more years of incompetence. But...your point is well taken.
19 posted on 08/08/2003 3:25:00 PM PDT by ProtectorOfTwo (Gettin reamed in Kali, Kali, Kali...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
These numbers are where the McClintock and Simon theories come up on the rocks. For a conservative to win in California, he needs all Republican votes and a RAT turnout 33 percent below 2002 RAT turnout levels. (In a race this high profile, how can one sit there with a straight face and predict the lowest RAT turnout in history???)

This is why any Republican in CA must draw votes from indies and liberals (RATS) to win. The numbers just don't add up otherwise. I saw a prediction today from a layperson who thought that 62 percent of all votes cast would go to the GOP candidates. They were smoking some good California weed, I guess. With these numbers how can anyone in their right mind think such things?

20 posted on 08/08/2003 3:27:27 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Scott from the Left Coast
You have the answer - they're not in their right minds.
21 posted on 08/08/2003 3:33:15 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine; Sabertooth
First, Garamandi is supposed to enter as well, so the Dem vote will be split as well. Second, some Dems like my brother will not vote for Bustamonte under any circumstances, and third Arnold will get a fair number of Dem votes. Beyond that, if at the end the polls show it is a two person race (say Bustamonte and Arnold), then there will be huge pressure for McClintock and Simon to drop out, and they probably will.

My Dem brother is also seriously considering voting for McClintock by the way. Granted, I had something to do with that. What this state needs right now is someone who really understands the budget, and is willing to make some very tough calls, and take the heat. McClintock is that man. No one else comes close. I say that not as an ideological matter, but rather as one of simple fact.

In any event, I am not worried about a splintering of the GOP ranks letting in Bustamonte at this time. I think the odds that Bustamonte wins due to that happening is low. He might win anyway (although I doubt that too), but if he does, it will probably not be due to this factor.

22 posted on 08/08/2003 3:33:52 PM PDT by Torie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: My2Cents
Let's face it: the recall effort was started by a group of conservative Republicans (not all conservative Republican were behind the recall from the start, but those at the start were conservative Republicans). They should have known from the start that while they might have a good chance at taking out Gray Davis, once the recall qualified for the ballot, they couldn't control the end result.

Their problem is that they started too early, and it looks like sour grapes and another bite at the apple on the part of that greatest failure of all candidates, Bill Simon (especially now that he is in this pig). After this is done, I'd think that many moons will pass until somebody tries this one again.

23 posted on 08/08/2003 3:37:34 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: daviddennis
If I still lived in California, I'd probably vote for Ah-nold. None of the other GOP candidates is ever going to surpass him in the polls, and Bustamonte is pretty likely to get the vast majority of anti-recall voters.

A Jesse Ventura-type politician might be exactly what California needs. If he fails to turn things around, there's plenty of room for conservatives to distance themselves from him in 2006.

He's certainly a shrewd businessman, has university degrees in business and international economics, and he'd carry more authority, simply because of who he is, in the office than anyone else on the ballot from any party.

I think the people who think Tom McClintock or Bill Simon or Peter Ueberroth will receive the most votes are delusional.

24 posted on 08/08/2003 3:37:37 PM PDT by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
I've been thinking along the same lines. Garamendi (I think that's the proper spelling) is unknown to me, but I understand he's quite popular among Cali dems. That's going to split their vote to some extent.

The filing deadline is tomorrow. I'd bet money that some dim (I'm thinking Loretta Sanchez) is thinking, "Hmm. I'm a woman, and a Hispanic, and throw in variables and unknowns for the other candidates, plus the fact I'm not in State govt and can't be blamed for the mess, and I might walk away with this thing if I can get, say, 23% of the vote..."

If Dim party "unity" didn't hold together for Davis, I can't imagine they're all going to fall in line for Bustamonte. I look for one more semi-prominant dim to enter the race at the last minute.

25 posted on 08/08/2003 3:38:36 PM PDT by TontoKowalski
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
Well, it tells me that Bill Simon is a bigger incompetent then I gave him credit for when I voted for him last November. He is either an egomaniac or an idiot, as he cannot possibly win the governorship. He can only mess it up for the Republicans by siphonning off votes. This guy is as big an a-hole as they come. Then along comes Peter Uberoth (sp?) Thanks guys, not!!!!!
26 posted on 08/08/2003 3:39:04 PM PDT by CdMGuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CdMGuy
Mike Tyson just announced that he's running for California Governor.

He said he needed the free house.

27 posted on 08/08/2003 3:45:18 PM PDT by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
After this is done, I'd think that many moons will pass until somebody tries this one again.

I think if a Republican wins, the Democrats will start a recall within the week.

28 posted on 08/08/2003 3:45:52 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Little Ray
Many share your point of view. Time will tell if you are right or not.

As the governor has line item veto authority, submits the budget to the legislature for approval, and is in charge of spending the money, a new governor can eliminate the budget in one year.

Arnold is the candidate who will do it, who is most likely to win. Considering how bad things are now, I can't afford to wait!
29 posted on 08/08/2003 3:46:17 PM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
He's certainly a shrewd businessman, has university degrees in business and international economics, and he'd carry more authority, simply because of who he is, in the office than anyone else on the ballot from any party.

I think the people who think Tom McClintock or Bill Simon or Peter Ueberroth will receive the most votes are delusional

Another thing Arnold is good at is self-promotion(any Hollywood star has to be). He is going to suck up the media spotlight.

And then there is the question of debates. Would that debate be Arnold and Bustamante, or Arnold, Bustamante, Grarimandi, Gary Coleman, etc.etc..

30 posted on 08/08/2003 3:47:15 PM PDT by Dane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
25% of the registered Rats are in favor of the recall, or so say the pollsters....
31 posted on 08/08/2003 3:47:49 PM PDT by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
Yesterday a freeper brought up an interesting point. Remember what the scumbags did in New Jersey last year? They knew the Torch was toast and so they put a gun to his head and made him drop out of the race at the last minute (with the blessing of the mob-controlled, utterly corrupt state Supreme Court there). They then foisted up a corpse named Lautenberg (with all the name recognition) and won the election, keeping the New Jersey Senate seat safely in scumbag hands.

Now, what is to prevent the scumbags from doing exactly the same thing in Kalifornia? Why wouldn't the scumbags put a gun to Davis' head and make him resign the day before the recall election, thereby negating the need for a recall election at all, and making Bustamonte the governor by succession? End of Arnold, end of story, the scumbags keep control of the Kalifornia governor's office. Is there some part of the recall law that would prevent such a manuever?

Thank you to anybody who can intelligently address this (strong) possibility.
32 posted on 08/08/2003 3:48:47 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
Not a bad scenario. If it happens that way, it kills at least two birds with one stone.
33 posted on 08/08/2003 3:49:13 PM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Dane
Arnold vs. Arianna. We'd need translators.
34 posted on 08/08/2003 3:49:55 PM PDT by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
Absolutely agreed on all points.

I'm getting the impression that he's considerably smarter than Ventura and I suspect that will make a lot of difference in practical results.

Much as I like McClintock and his supporters, it's not time for them yet.

My office consensus appears to be overwhelmingly in support of Arnold.

Can you believe a 19% Davis approval rating today? It's dropping by the minute. Pretty soon even his labour union supporters are gonna drop him.

D
35 posted on 08/08/2003 3:50:34 PM PDT by daviddennis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
It's all about principles. And getting to say one is right by not actually having anything they believe in implemented. I have to confess I like McClintock but I like winning more.

The priority is for myself is one, Davis getting his ass kicked out; two, is to take the governorship; three, is to have that replacement be a conservative.

#3 looks like a possible obstacle to not just #2 but #1 as well.

36 posted on 08/08/2003 3:50:43 PM PDT by amused (Arnold.....just because)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: My2Cents
Count on it.
37 posted on 08/08/2003 3:51:14 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Lancey Howard
Not possible - the recall lection is on since the filing date establishes the deadline. Interim resignations will put Bustamante in the role of temporary governor only.
38 posted on 08/08/2003 3:53:26 PM PDT by Stallone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Stallone
Arnold is a gift to America.

He is an inspiration, fiscally sharp (Masters in Economics), and larger than life.

His impact on the Republican movement in California will be enormous.

Rush is dead wrong.

Schwarzenegger is the classic immigrant who made it big.

The American Dream come true. Arnold laments its passage in California, because it was the stuff of legends.

A return to this nostalgic past is as conservative as one gets, and I will support him wholeheartedly.

I suggest all Freepers do as well - IF YOU WANT TO LIVE.
39 posted on 08/08/2003 3:54:10 PM PDT by Stallone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Lancey Howard
Davis cannot resign now that the recall is in progress.
40 posted on 08/08/2003 3:54:55 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Lancey Howard
Why wouldn't the scumbags put a gun to Davis' head and make him resign the day before the recall election, thereby negating the need for a recall election at all, and making Bustamonte the governor by succession?

I won't bother digging up the link to the California Election Code, but suffice to say that it can't happen. Now that the petitions have been filed and a sufficient number of valid signatures have been certified, the recall election will go forward (and a successor will be chosen if a majority vote to recall him) even if Davis resigns.

This train has left the station.

41 posted on 08/08/2003 3:54:57 PM PDT by dpwiener
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Lancey Howard
Re#32 Resignation doesn't matter. The vote goes forward anyway. Doofus had to resign before the recall was "filed" with 10% of the signatures. You're not alone in thinking otherwise, Rush made the same mistake today...
42 posted on 08/08/2003 3:55:47 PM PDT by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
Arnold vs. Arianna. We'd need translators.

JMO, but the candidate who needs a translator is larry flynt.

43 posted on 08/08/2003 3:58:04 PM PDT by Dane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: daviddennis
Having Ah-nold enter the race and having Issa withdraw was Davis's worst nightmare. It literally destroyed his election plan, and left him in the position of having to defend his own record.

Ah-nold predicted the slime from Davis on his background on the Leno show, which largely innoculated him from it. That, and Lockyer's surprise warning to Davis about "puke politics" took the last bullet out of Davis's gun.

He is so toast.

44 posted on 08/08/2003 3:59:06 PM PDT by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: CyberCowboy777
Davis cannot resign now that the recall is in progress.

Well, technically Davis can resign, and Bustamante could become governor for a few weeks. But after the recall election took place, if a majority voted on the first question in favor recall, then the winner of the most votes among the replacement candidates would become the new governor.

45 posted on 08/08/2003 4:01:36 PM PDT by dpwiener
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: eureka!; dpwiener; CyberCowboy777; Stallone
This train has left the station.

Great news!
Thanks to all who responded to my question.

46 posted on 08/08/2003 4:04:08 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Lancey Howard
Because the CA constitution says the recall election goes on even if the office becomes vacant.
47 posted on 08/08/2003 4:04:09 PM PDT by buwaya
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: All
Please, can someone tell me how any Republican can win this when there are so many Repub's on the ballot...the rats will win this unless the Repub's unite behind one candidate....anyone, please!
48 posted on 08/08/2003 4:04:36 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Chancellor Palpatine
How dare you introduce logic, analytical thinking and realpolitik into this battle for the heart and soul of California?

Watch. The demonrats are going to keep some party discipline and let Bustamante carry the torch, while the good guys get into an ideological food fight...(again).
Mullholland, Morris, Carville, and every other 'rat operator, when they are behind closed doors, must shake their heads in amazement at how we keep managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and always manage to pull the trigger when the gun is centered at our own nuts.

49 posted on 08/08/2003 4:05:36 PM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dpwiener
The weird thing is that, under that scenario, the recall election would in effect be a question of whether to recall Bustamonte. However, he would still be listed as one of the replacement candidates in the event the recall passed.

Davis, however, does not have that luxury. He can't be a replacement candidate.

50 posted on 08/08/2003 4:06:58 PM PDT by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-109 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson