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In a small town, workers question the future after factory shutdowns
Access North Georgia ^ | August 9 , 2003 | The Associated Press

Posted on 08/09/2003 3:39:59 PM PDT by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

DOUGLAS, Ga. - When the fourth factory quit town, 535 more voices joined the luckless chorus asking what is happening to this rural centers hardest-won jobs.

Lewis Burkett knows the answer.

He knows because, when his plant closed last year, Intermetro Industries asked him to spend two more weeks on a special assignment _ smoothing out the bumps at a new wire-shelving factory replacing the one where hed worked for 17 years.

Burkett arrived in the northern Mexican city of Cuauhtemoc to find a spotless building housing many of the very same machines, rebuilt and repainted, that commanded the factory floor in Douglas.

A Catholic priest was ushered in and laborers gathered as he solemnly blessed the machinery with holy water. Then the production line wailed back to life.

When I went to the plant and saw them doing the same things we did ... well, to tell you the truth, I was kind of proud of those folks, Burkett says now, sitting at his kitchen table, hunched over a road atlas opened to a map of Mexico. Theyre doing for $8 a day what we were doing in Georgia for $11 an hour.

Understanding the quandary Douglas faces doesnt offer much solace, however.

Nor does it stop the situation from getting worse, as it did on June 30, when Tecumseh Product Co. closed its Douglas plant _ one lured here just seven years ago, where workers were frequently told that the quality of the small engines they built was so good that customers insisted on Douglas-made products.

The angst over lost manufacturing jobs is shared by rural communities across the United States. Many of the very towns that benefited from a rebound in manufacturing during the 1990s that helped them net thousands of new jobs, have now shuddered through three years of wrenching layoffs and plant closures.

All face more or less the same conundrum as people here in Douglas: What do we do next?

I wish I had jobs to offer for all my students. But Ill be honest, fellas, I dont, says George Foster, a former worker at a now-shuttered factory, addressing a class comprising mostly layoff casualties newly arrived for retraining at East Central Technical College in Douglas.

I dont know the answers. I wish I did, Foster says later, pacing through the workshop where he teaches refrigeration and air conditioning repair. I wish I did.

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Of the 2.7 million jobs the U.S. economy has lost since early 2001, 2.4 million were in manufacturing. The downturn has been particularly tough on some rural communities, which have lost a significantly larger share of manufacturing jobs than urban areas, often because of outright factory shutdowns rather than partial layoffs.

The downturn has eliminated more than one in 10 of the nations factory jobs. Its much more than just a statistic in places like Douglas, where rumors of companies about to be lost or gained seem nearly as frequent as the blue and white semitrailers that rumble nonstop in and out of the towns sprawling Wal-Mart distribution center.

Douglas, tucked into south Georgias piney flatwoods, is a city in name but a small town in character. Its a place where people shake their heads at the crowds and pace of Atlanta, four hours north, and point to their towns suitability for raising a family.

It boasts a tidy downtown aspiring to be a tourist stop and a busy commercial strip of chain restaurants and discount stores. More important, Douglas has seeded a crop of brick and aluminum factory buildings amid the worn grain elevators and whitewashed tobacco sheds that gave the town its start.

Many of the factory jobs here are relatively unskilled, tapping a labor force of which nearly half lack a high school diploma. When state and local officials held a job fair downtown in July, more than 1,700 jobseekers flocked in over four hours _ in a city with a population of 10,600.

What we need more than anything is just jobs, says Herbert Tanner, a 57-year-old engine assembly worker at Tecumseh. Tanner is losing not just his paycheck but the health insurance that, last year, picked up $58,000 in medical bills, mostly for cancer care.

What good is drawing industry here if theyre just going to stay three or four years and leave us flat? he asked.

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Douglas long depended on its role as a tobacco, peanut and cotton center, as well as on some apparel plants, now mostly closed.

About 20 years ago, some local bankers decided the town couldnt sit still. Douglas future would be made by aggressively pursuing new industries and training residents to fit the jobs.

The strategy worked. For a while.

The community pitched a cheap and willing nonunion work force, job training programs, incentives like tax breaks and ready-built, cinderblock factory buildings waiting for occupancy.

The first gains came in the early 1980s, when poultry processor Gold-Kist brought 1,500 jobs. Not long after, PCC Airfoils Inc. was lured here to make aircraft parts.

The town built its first speculative factory shell in the mid-1980s and Intermetro moved in. A second building was snapped up in 1995 by Tecumseh, a Michigan-based manufacturer whose engines supply the heart of Toro lawn mowers.

Tecumseh offered starting pay of around $8 an hour, generous health insurance and a chance to advance.

For around here, thats good money, said Maryland Winters, a former supervisor who got a raise to $12.13 an hour shortly before the shutdown. Youre not going to find something else like that even if you go uptown and put on your pretty heels and go to some office.

Douglas last year moved ahead with long-contemplated plans for a third building, in an industrial park on the west side of town whose only businesses are a commercial greenhouse and a mini-sports park.

If you build it, they will come, the weekly Coffee County News trumpeted hopefully atop its front page in late June, when completion was imminent.

Theres a problem, though. Both of the earlier buildings, and several others around town, are sitting idle.

Intermetro closed in January 2002, laying off the last 112 people from a payroll that had once been near 200.

Manufactured housing producer Fleetwood Homes closed one of its several area plants the same month, eliminating 120 jobs. In December, Owens Corning Fabricating Solutions, known locally as Fabwell, closed and sent its 130 workers home.

Some remaining businesses have also shed jobs. PCC has cut 283 in two layoffs since last spring.

But the damage was relatively limited. Until a Friday morning in early April.

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They told us the day before we were going to have a plantwide meeting, says Rhonda Pease, a 32-year-old mother of two who worked on the engine line at Tecumseh, and whose husband worked in diecasting. They told us to be on time.

Close to 300 gathered in the open space of the shipping and receiving department that morning,


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1 posted on 08/09/2003 3:39:59 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: harpseal; FITZ
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2 posted on 08/09/2003 3:40:24 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
I was kind of proud of those folks, Burkett says now, sitting at his kitchen table, hunched over a road atlas opened to a map of Mexico. Theyre doing for $8 a day what we were doing in Georgia for $11 an hour.

It all sounds so perfect ---send jobs to Mexico and Mexicans at least would have improved lives ---but it didn't work out that way. The more maquilas moved into Mexico, the more millions of unemployed, indigent Mexicans packed up and left to come to the USA. And for all Fox did to promote more immigration yet ---- the voters of Mexico just made a sharp left turn at the polls and rejected his politial party.

3 posted on 08/09/2003 3:47:03 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Willie Green
$11 an hour?

What do these spoiled Merkin workers want? Running water? Central heat? Electricity???!!!

Labor is just another raw material to exploit - DAMMIT!

4 posted on 08/09/2003 3:53:51 PM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: Willie Green
Many of the factory jobs here are relatively unskilled, tapping a labor force of which nearly half lack a high school diploma.

it's super easy to blame it all on chicom/wto/globalists/elvis, but in the 21st century unskilled labourers without HS diplomas should stop thinking anyone owes them a job.

5 posted on 08/09/2003 3:58:09 PM PDT by CanadianFella
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To: Willie Green
Now Main Street's whitewashed windows and vacant stores
Seems like there ain't nobody wants to come down here no more
They're closing down the textile mill across the railroad tracks
Foreman says these jobs are going boys and they ain't coming back to your hometown
Your hometown
Your hometown
Your hometown

Bruce Springsteen's "My Hometown"

I grew up on the side of the road in North Carolina. When I was a kid the cotton mill, specifically Cannon Mills, was king. About 10 days ago Pillowtex, the successor to Cannon, shut down its plant in Kannapolis, and laid off around 4,000 workers (about 6,000 statewide).

These jobs are going boys (and girls) and they ain't coming back.

6 posted on 08/09/2003 4:00:46 PM PDT by JoeFromCA
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To: Willie Green
A Catholic priest was ushered in and laborers gathered as he solemnly blessed the machinery with holy water. Then the production line wailed back to life.

Why do you suppose this tidbit of information was added to the article from a newspaper in Georgia?

7 posted on 08/09/2003 4:01:03 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: Willie Green
Here is a rant from an old thread, covers this type of situation I believe...

It certainly proves capitalism works, but my argument is, what are we supposed to do now? If we aren’t making things at a salable cost rate, what are WE supposed to manufacture for ourselves? Where does OUR employment come from?

IF it costs too much to run a company here that can make an item at a profit because of overseas competition, what am I supposed to produce? And how am I supposed to pay people to work for me if all my costs are eaten up because of payroll that while 1/2 the American norm, it is still 10X the World standard wage?

That is what I see is going on here in America. We are letting in competition who did not pay for the right to do business in America or who did not pay for the right to do business with corporations that depend upon the American market.

Know what else burns my buttons?? THEY didn’t even invent these new technologies that made us prosperous in the first place, nor did they invest in all the new machines or processes that took years and millions to develop!

And we just went over there, set up OUR machines, sent in OUR people to teach them how, they pay them slave wages compared to ours, put ourselves out of business all in the name of competition to wipe us out of the market!! We are selling them the rope to hang us, and we are making the rope ourselves!

Where do certain materials come from? Isn’t it true that we cannot just mine a hole in the ground to get Bauxite? How about Copper? Aren’t we supposed to go to a particular spot where we know there is Copper? Now, if someone wanted to deny us Copper, they would be starting a war if they cut us off, or they would be causing undue influence on our way of life if they controlled it and raised its prices above that which we pay.

Now, that same logic applies to industry. Any industry. If we cannot make a bearing in a cost effective way in this world, where is the logic to send the means and knowledge to make bearings to another country where competition does not exist?

We are sending away the means to produce the most basic materials we use in industry! This is not about singular items like sneakers or IT programmers; it is about entire means of creating anything.

The machines we send over to these countries are used to create other machines. These new machines are going to, if not already, be used to create the competition for our remaining industrial goods, to be operated at slave wages by people who did not have to be trained in high tech skills to operate, but only told when to press a button, thanks to Computer Controlled Machining.

We are not sending over looms and combines to people to allow them to live better, we are sending over complex CNC machines and devices that are used in Aerospace, Automotive, and computer industries, and they are being setup by us, used by them, and they are not worried about profit in making their business run, they have governments run their businesses, and that means profit is not the motive! At least not where the operation of the company is concerned!

What product am I going to make that cannot be reverse engineered by a geek with a set of verniers and a tape measure and calipers and shadowgraph??

Why in God's name is this so hard to see for some people??

Let's see...

We design and build a machine capable of cutting steel, we design and build a product using that previous machine, and we mass produce it, make a profit from it, only to sell the metal cutting tools and production tools and the technologies necessary to repeat the previous processes to a country that does not engage in free market competition because the government props up the business and prevents it from operating at a loss...and you say we can compete against that?

Humans are human. They can be educated to run complex machines. If we design through our own efforts new technologies that give us great advances that cause our people to advance in technology and culture, what in the world are we doing giving away these technologies to other countries that are our ideological enemies?

WE spent the money to advance these technologies, to develop it, to debug it, using monies from profits, not government, losing our shirts in the process in a capitalist society where the fittest survive only to give it away to a communist nation that pays its workers of these new companies in rice bowls? And you say that is what we are able to compete against?

I got a news flash for you: My friend from High School runs a small machine shop; He just had a new machine put in. When the guy came to install it, he told him of his recent trip to China to install a new machine there. Once the machine was leveled and wired in, they brought down the worker for this machine...removed his shackles and handcuffs...did you get that? He was hand cuffed; he was shackled, barefoot, and brought out of is cell to run the new 4 axis miller.

We cannot compete against this type of manufacturing. This is not a backward country trying to use a crude lathe to make cheaper table leg. This is an industrial giant using computer controlled machines where all a person has to know is what button to push and when thanks to developments in CNC technology. And they pay them in rice bowls, and when he makes a mistake they make a new part until they fill the quota for good parts because they can afford the training curve to run the machine right to eliminate errors.

Socialist Countries propping up their companies is NOT FREE TRADE; neither is American Companies moving off shore, providing the means and personnel to run these companies that formerly employed Americans Capitalism, either!

Not one of these countries developed these technologies themselves, not one of them spent the money to do the research and development to achieve the high quality that these products are now, and not one of these countries started these companies with an individual who is competing solely on Free Market Capitalist Ideals!!

This isn't about whining, it is about giving away the company store to those who are trying to destroy us economically!! It is about giving away the means and technology to compete against ourselves!! That is not sane!!

We are not talking about an individual or group of individuals starting up their own little version of Microsoft in the open market, we are talking about Socialist Governments using Government funds to support all the waste and error that would bankrupt any other company by buying all the machinery from us, the instructions on how to use it coming from us, and then demanding that we use this new company to provide a product, thereby depriving an American competitor a chance to make the product at a cheaper price only they cant BECAUSE THESE FOREIGN COMPANIES ARE USING SLAVE LABOR!!

Capitalist companies cannot compete against that because we are liable for our losses in manufacturing through human error, we use our own money not the governments, and when we go under, it is our tough luck.

Not so in China or Malaysia or Thailand or India or Mexico....

And there is the rub. This guy saw his companies old machines down there running. This Mexican who set up business didnt design these machines, they didnt develop the machines, they bought them lock, stock, and barrel.

8 posted on 08/09/2003 4:07:44 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: independentmind
Why do you suppose this tidbit of information was added to the article from a newspaper in Georgia?

Because Douglas is in the Bible Belt. Most of the people would like to work for a company that starts the day with a prayer. If you go to any outing, employee bar-b que or customer luncheon at a business witin 150 miles of there it will begin with a prayer unless the company is a national one.
9 posted on 08/09/2003 4:19:31 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: RaceBannon
Greed, lack of respect, lack of love for your fellow man, lack of national pride; these are all the reasons people in this forum have no sympathy or empathy for the plight that you and others like you are in. They care only for themselves and are indifferent to what is going on in this country. I can't believe the utter lack of vision these people have. They refuse to see the future beyond their next earnings statement.

Even a college education is no gurantee for a job. For years we have been told that a bachelor's degree will get you work. Not true anymore. Now, you will have to figure out what the rich will be willing to pay you to do for them. It's sad!!

10 posted on 08/09/2003 4:19:42 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: JoeFromCA
I wonder what we can do about it. It truly feels hopeless. Has it gone too far? Seems like there is no way to turn it around. Do you have any ideas?
11 posted on 08/09/2003 4:22:33 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Willie Green
“But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point.

In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.”

Karl Marx, “On the Question of Free Trade” – Jan 9, 184
12 posted on 08/09/2003 4:23:49 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Blessed
Well, I could probably suggest another reason, but I'll consider your suggestion as well.
13 posted on 08/09/2003 4:23:58 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: faithincowboys
I have no specific suggestions on how to retain US jobs. The days are gone when an unskilled worker or even semi-skilled worker can count on a decent job in the US. Even skilled jobs are being exported.

I think we're seeing a sea change in America. I believe there is a good chance that this experiment we call America, which after all at only 200+ years is still in its infancy, will fail by the end of the 21st century.

14 posted on 08/09/2003 4:33:49 PM PDT by JoeFromCA
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To: JoeFromCA
"These jobs are going boys (and girls) and they ain't coming back.
This whole country is going boys (and girls) and it ain't coming back.
15 posted on 08/09/2003 4:38:27 PM PDT by afz400
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To: faithincowboys
When the financial burden becomes unbearable, some will wallow in self pity and others will take to the streets.

When the money flow slows to a trickle, some will make due with less and others will take from those with more.

Unless some new technology( religion ) creates jobs in the next 8 months the next presidential election will produce some very interesting demagogues. Eva Perone are you listening?

16 posted on 08/09/2003 4:45:56 PM PDT by free from tyranny
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To: JoeFromCA
A depressing and frighteningly plausible prognosis. It is a shame when people like Gates (with billions in personal wealth) want to cut a little bit of costs by exporting jobs. Gates (the owner of MSNBC and Slate) acts like he is a compassionate Liberal, but it is clear that he sees himself as a citizen of the world. Patriotism is dead in the fortune 500 Boardrooms.
17 posted on 08/09/2003 4:55:55 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: CanadianFella
What I'm looking for is a *skilled* laborer. There are so many techies and consultants around here. It's getting so that in the U.S. of A. we are no longer manufacturing anything nor are we repairing anything in this throw-away society. Things are breaking down around me and I can't find knowledgeable skilled people who really know what they are doing to fix things the way they need to be done. People with so called advanced degrees no longer have hands-on skills. I hired a guy to repair a leaking roof. It still leaks. I asked him to return; he "fixed it" again, and it leaks worse than the first time I called him. I've called repair people for projects -- the few who know what they are doing are in demand and do not even take the time to return my calls.
18 posted on 08/09/2003 4:59:51 PM PDT by Dusty Rose (I just had to blow off some steam!)
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To: Willie Green
Willie, please give us your solution for the problems we are facing. Please be very specific.
19 posted on 08/09/2003 5:25:10 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: Blessed; independentmind
I agree with you Blessed, but I think dependentmind would rather believe that Georgians are anti-Catholic, back-woods hicks.
20 posted on 08/09/2003 5:27:18 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: raybbr
I can't believe the utter lack of vision these people have. They refuse to see the future beyond their next earnings statement.

I agree. Some people are like this.

Now, you will have to figure out what the rich will be willing to pay you to do for them. It's sad!!

Please describe a time in our history when this was not the case. You're dreaming if you think that now the "rich" are controlling everything. There has never been a better time for the common man to choose his own destiny.

21 posted on 08/09/2003 5:30:08 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: txzman
I like the selective quotations you use to make a point. Very sophmoric form of making an argument. I guess if you are holding up a select quote from Marx, you believe everything else he said with respect to communism?
22 posted on 08/09/2003 5:31:38 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: JoeFromCA
People believed the same thing you said in the 1700's, 1800's and 1900's.
23 posted on 08/09/2003 5:32:45 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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24 posted on 08/09/2003 5:34:42 PM PDT by Consort
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I was simply asking a question. And, having recently moved to the South myself, I can personally testify that "anti-Catholic back-woods hicks" most certainly still exist. It's been somewhat of an eye-opener for me.
25 posted on 08/09/2003 5:46:15 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I'll be specific.

If you are an American corporation and you ship all your jobs overseas, your entire corporation goes with it. Your executives live in the third-world squalor they exploit.

No country can import goods to the United States unless it allows FULL and COMPLETE access to ALL markets in that country. That's FREE TRADE and it does not now exist anywhere except the U.S. of A. which is now an abbreviation for "United Suckers of America."

All of you "pure" capitalists can demand pure capitalism from the third-world sewers now taking advantage of the United States in horribly lop-sided arrangements allowed by the traitorous elected politicians and corporations without loyalty or ethics. Those corporations claim to be American but would sell their own American mothers into prostitution to boost earnings-per-share.

26 posted on 08/09/2003 5:50:57 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
I'm not disagreeing with your point, but as a side issue, the USA does not engage in free trade, not while we protect sugar prices, steel prices, and many others. I'm just saying that if we start doing what you suggest we'll soon be asked to do the same. Which is probably politically impossible.
27 posted on 08/09/2003 6:46:07 PM PDT by delapaz
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To: Willie Green
All I can say is optimism is a very lagging indicator of a recovery. Articles like this are an indicator that we are at or near the bottom of the current economic cycle.

We've been through this before in the early 90's

28 posted on 08/09/2003 6:47:44 PM PDT by delapaz
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To: delapaz
Articles like this are an indicator that we are at or near the bottom of the current economic cycle.

Oh, and were is the pent-up demand going to come from? You think that there is going to be a boom in autos and housing yet to come? What is going to drive growth? No, those jobs are gone and they aren't coming back.

Richard W.

29 posted on 08/09/2003 6:53:18 PM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: arete
I grew up in Michigan. I know what its like to see a certain area of the country and a certain industry to get wiped out completely. And yet the country as a whole only gets economically stronger. I'm suggesting that this is what is happening. For America as a whole I believe there is much cause for optimism. I dont mean to minimize the pain of those going through hard times, again, I've seen it up close.

Oh also, We still build cars here. As those who live near Marysville, Ohio, or Smyrna, Tennessee can attest.

30 posted on 08/09/2003 7:14:14 PM PDT by delapaz
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To: Willie Green; clamper1797; sarcasm; BrooklynGOP; A. Pole; Zorrito; GiovannaNicoletta; Caipirabob; ..
ping

on or off let me know
31 posted on 08/09/2003 7:22:19 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Willie Green
When our unemployment is low, I can understand why we allow jobs to go to other countries. Now, how do we undo all these agreements. NAFTA - 1993?

I wonder if the new tax package that adds income taxes to Americans working abroad is intended to punish those who take their companies out of the country.

excerpts from another article>>
"a 1999 law sponsored by the Senate opened purchases to foreign competition."

" chief congressional proponent[Duncan Hunter, California Republican] of expanding the "Buy America" law said the Pentagon's fears that it would require a program overhaul are unfounded."


32 posted on 08/10/2003 1:50:12 AM PDT by Susannah (Over 200 people murdered in L. A.County-first 5 mos. of 2003 & NONE were fighting Iraq!!)
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To: CanadianFella
it's super easy to blame it all on chicom/wto/globalists/elvis, but in the 21st century unskilled labourers without HS diplomas should stop thinking anyone owes them a job

Are you saying that if they invest years of studying and tens of thousands dollars in getting the engineering degree they will have a job?

33 posted on 08/10/2003 5:27:52 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Dusty Rose
I hired a guy to repair a leaking roof. It still leaks. I asked him to return; he "fixed it" again, and it leaks worse than the first time I called him.

Maybe this guy's real job got outsourced to India? :)

34 posted on 08/10/2003 5:33:19 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
People believed the same thing you said in the 1700's, 1800's and 1900's.

Exactly! The term "Ghost Town" was invented in the American West to describe the abandoned former thriving communities that shut down when the mining operation that supported them stopped.

When did FreeRepublic become "SovietSocialist" Republic?

Best regards,

35 posted on 08/10/2003 5:37:26 AM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: A. Pole
Are you saying that if they invest years of studying and tens of thousands dollars in getting the engineering degree they will have a job?

You don't see many unemployed doctors and lawyers bumming around, do you? those people should've at least finished HS before starting bitching about lack of jobs.

36 posted on 08/10/2003 8:14:07 AM PDT by CanadianFella
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To: Willie Green
Lewis Burkett knows the answer: Life is a bitch, then you die!
37 posted on 08/10/2003 8:20:01 AM PDT by verity
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To: CanadianFella
those people should've at least finished HS before starting bitching about lack of jobs.

You know nothing of South Georgia, it's obvious. You know less about the sorts of factories they put there. Do you suppose the Queen's seamstresses were high school grads? The cotton workers? The people in tin shops?

You do not need a high school education to work in a factory. Early in this century, a lot of men went on to become highly trained millworkers as soon as they stepped off the boat from Italy, Ireland, Whales, et al. Stop being such a snob.

38 posted on 08/10/2003 8:25:57 AM PDT by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: free from tyranny
Eva Perone are you listening?

You better believe she is, she's going around the country, hawking her book of lies and trying to tap into all of the frustration out there. She'll succeed when enough engineers and tech types who are now working at Wal-Mart get desperate enough to believe in her brand of socialism.

39 posted on 08/10/2003 8:30:53 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Willie Green
Theres a problem, though. Both of the earlier buildings, and several others around town, are sitting idle.

Intermetro closed in January 2002, laying off the last 112 people from a payroll that had once been near 200.

Interesting.

Intermetro (in Douglas, Ga) is in this list of Superfund sites.

I wonder what that is about? Was the health of folks in the area endangered?

Anybody know?

Georgia Superfund Sites -

DOUGLAS [GA]
INTERMETRO INDUSTRIES CORP
1500 POPE DRIVE
40 posted on 08/10/2003 10:06:09 AM PDT by syriacus (Schumer belongs to a group that excludes women from full membership.)
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To: Willie Green
Plenty of jobs would be unlikely to be transported out of the country. Some of them don't even require a college degree.

Medical doctors, optometrists, auto mechanics, receptionists, dental hygienists, plumbers, electricians, etc, etc, etc , are usually in the same country as their clients/patients/customers.

My guess is that Democrats are worried that, if US factories lose work, then US unions will lose members. (I realize this article mentions that Intermetro workers were not unionized). Or maybe the Democrats are hoping to convince workers that unionizing will save their jobs.

Fewer factory jobs = Fewer unions = Less money and influence for Democrats

The workers can get other jobs.
But the Democrats can't afford to lose their cash cow.

41 posted on 08/10/2003 10:10:19 AM PDT by syriacus (Schumer belongs to a group that excludes women from full membership.)
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To: syriacus
Fewer factory jobs = Fewer unions = Less money and influence for Democrats

I'd suggest that you familiarize yourself with the facts:
Union affiliation of employed wage and salary workers by occupation and industry

The truth is, only 15% of factory workers are represented by organized labor.
In contrast, over 40% of government workers are unionized.

By repeating this misinformation about manufacturing sector employees, you stand guilty of enabling the expansion of government employee unions and their BS socialist programs to "help". Please straighten out your act.

42 posted on 08/10/2003 10:25:21 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: CanadianFella
it's super easy to blame it all on chicom/wto/globalists/elvis

Yes, it is. Especially when you don't read or hear in the news about meetings taking place where plans such as these are made...

From COA

The president has also announced an effort to pursue a free trade agreement with the nations of Central America. Success here will further strengthen our economic ties with those countries, and reinforce the great economic and political progress they've made over the last decade. Free trade with Central America will also move us toward an even broader aim -- a Free Trade Area of the Americas, up and running by January of 2005. The president is strongly committed to this goal, and all of our trade efforts are pointed in this direction.

The free trade zone we seek would facilitate commerce among nations with a combined GDP exceeding ten trillion dollars, and lift the lives of more than 800 million people. Later this year, the United States and Brazil will assume co-chairmanship of trade negotiations at the hemispheric level. We look forward to the partnership, to the important work ahead, and to the great opportunities in store for all the democracies of this region.

I can't wait to see where the 800 million people whose lives are going to be lifted live.

43 posted on 08/10/2003 10:49:33 AM PDT by ohmage
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To: Willie Green
I'd suggest that you familiarize yourself with the facts:

Nice facts...but not what I was talking about.

Until you can tell me that unions won't lose membership if factories close, I haven't misrepresented anything.

44 posted on 08/10/2003 11:47:31 AM PDT by syriacus (Schumer belongs to a group that excludes women from full membership.)
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To: syriacus
Nice facts...but not what I was talking about.

When confronted with facts, "deny, deny, deny".
Very Klintonian of you.

45 posted on 08/10/2003 11:50:20 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: StatesEnemy
See, there's the difference. Don't need central heat in Mexico. They can produce these products more efficiently. Just like the coal miners in England under Thatcher who wanted their jobs protected, even though there was no more coal in the mine. You do not have a RIGHT to keep the same job your whole life. We would never have moved to cars from horse and carriage if you protectionist types had your way. Protect every industry and you have economic and innovative stagnation. There's no incentive to build a better product without competition.

If you folks insist on the government spending money on something, better to spend it on re-training for workers rather than protectionism. Give a man a fish, or teach him how---the latter is far preferable.

Your screen nick is a misnomer. You're hardly an "enemy of the state" if you want the State to control production and the economy. Try StatesBestFriend.

46 posted on 08/10/2003 11:55:46 AM PDT by austinTparty
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To: txzman
Obviously, he was so right about everything else, he had to be right about this, too.
47 posted on 08/10/2003 11:58:36 AM PDT by austinTparty
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To: Willie Green
When confronted with facts, "deny, deny, deny". Very Klintonian of you..

Not at all....

But, I'm sure that even the Klintonian Democrats are smart enough to know what I am writing about.

Those poor, pitiful Democrats need all the votes they can get.

They certainly are losing a lot of their former supporters.

48 posted on 08/10/2003 11:59:45 AM PDT by syriacus (Schumer belongs to a group that excludes women from full membership.)
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To: austinTparty
If you folks insist on the government spending money on something, better to spend it on re-training for workers rather than protectionism. Give a man a fish, or teach him how---the latter is far preferable.

We can always hope that most Americans will, eventually, realize this is true.

49 posted on 08/10/2003 12:03:15 PM PDT by syriacus (Schumer belongs to a group that excludes women from full membership.)
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To: syriacus
Actually, the white collar workers are being displaced now. I would bet the vast majority of them were Republican voters. Or the guy who worked really hard to send his son to college who is in his fourth year studying engineering--only to find out he'll be working at Starbucks. Yeah, they'll all be voting for Bush.
50 posted on 08/10/2003 12:04:27 PM PDT by riri
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