Skip to comments.In a small town, workers question the future after factory shutdowns
Posted on 08/09/2003 3:39:59 PM PDT by Willie Green
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It all sounds so perfect ---send jobs to Mexico and Mexicans at least would have improved lives ---but it didn't work out that way. The more maquilas moved into Mexico, the more millions of unemployed, indigent Mexicans packed up and left to come to the USA. And for all Fox did to promote more immigration yet ---- the voters of Mexico just made a sharp left turn at the polls and rejected his politial party.
What do these spoiled Merkin workers want? Running water? Central heat? Electricity???!!!
Labor is just another raw material to exploit - DAMMIT!
it's super easy to blame it all on chicom/wto/globalists/elvis, but in the 21st century unskilled labourers without HS diplomas should stop thinking anyone owes them a job.
Why do you suppose this tidbit of information was added to the article from a newspaper in Georgia?
It certainly proves capitalism works, but my argument is, what are we supposed to do now? If we arent making things at a salable cost rate, what are WE supposed to manufacture for ourselves? Where does OUR employment come from?
IF it costs too much to run a company here that can make an item at a profit because of overseas competition, what am I supposed to produce? And how am I supposed to pay people to work for me if all my costs are eaten up because of payroll that while 1/2 the American norm, it is still 10X the World standard wage?
That is what I see is going on here in America. We are letting in competition who did not pay for the right to do business in America or who did not pay for the right to do business with corporations that depend upon the American market.
Know what else burns my buttons?? THEY didnt even invent these new technologies that made us prosperous in the first place, nor did they invest in all the new machines or processes that took years and millions to develop!
And we just went over there, set up OUR machines, sent in OUR people to teach them how, they pay them slave wages compared to ours, put ourselves out of business all in the name of competition to wipe us out of the market!! We are selling them the rope to hang us, and we are making the rope ourselves!
Where do certain materials come from? Isnt it true that we cannot just mine a hole in the ground to get Bauxite? How about Copper? Arent we supposed to go to a particular spot where we know there is Copper? Now, if someone wanted to deny us Copper, they would be starting a war if they cut us off, or they would be causing undue influence on our way of life if they controlled it and raised its prices above that which we pay.
Now, that same logic applies to industry. Any industry. If we cannot make a bearing in a cost effective way in this world, where is the logic to send the means and knowledge to make bearings to another country where competition does not exist?
We are sending away the means to produce the most basic materials we use in industry! This is not about singular items like sneakers or IT programmers; it is about entire means of creating anything.
The machines we send over to these countries are used to create other machines. These new machines are going to, if not already, be used to create the competition for our remaining industrial goods, to be operated at slave wages by people who did not have to be trained in high tech skills to operate, but only told when to press a button, thanks to Computer Controlled Machining.
We are not sending over looms and combines to people to allow them to live better, we are sending over complex CNC machines and devices that are used in Aerospace, Automotive, and computer industries, and they are being setup by us, used by them, and they are not worried about profit in making their business run, they have governments run their businesses, and that means profit is not the motive! At least not where the operation of the company is concerned!
What product am I going to make that cannot be reverse engineered by a geek with a set of verniers and a tape measure and calipers and shadowgraph??
Why in God's name is this so hard to see for some people??
We design and build a machine capable of cutting steel, we design and build a product using that previous machine, and we mass produce it, make a profit from it, only to sell the metal cutting tools and production tools and the technologies necessary to repeat the previous processes to a country that does not engage in free market competition because the government props up the business and prevents it from operating at a loss...and you say we can compete against that?
Humans are human. They can be educated to run complex machines. If we design through our own efforts new technologies that give us great advances that cause our people to advance in technology and culture, what in the world are we doing giving away these technologies to other countries that are our ideological enemies?
WE spent the money to advance these technologies, to develop it, to debug it, using monies from profits, not government, losing our shirts in the process in a capitalist society where the fittest survive only to give it away to a communist nation that pays its workers of these new companies in rice bowls? And you say that is what we are able to compete against?
I got a news flash for you: My friend from High School runs a small machine shop; He just had a new machine put in. When the guy came to install it, he told him of his recent trip to China to install a new machine there. Once the machine was leveled and wired in, they brought down the worker for this machine...removed his shackles and handcuffs...did you get that? He was hand cuffed; he was shackled, barefoot, and brought out of is cell to run the new 4 axis miller.
We cannot compete against this type of manufacturing. This is not a backward country trying to use a crude lathe to make cheaper table leg. This is an industrial giant using computer controlled machines where all a person has to know is what button to push and when thanks to developments in CNC technology. And they pay them in rice bowls, and when he makes a mistake they make a new part until they fill the quota for good parts because they can afford the training curve to run the machine right to eliminate errors.
Socialist Countries propping up their companies is NOT FREE TRADE; neither is American Companies moving off shore, providing the means and personnel to run these companies that formerly employed Americans Capitalism, either!
Not one of these countries developed these technologies themselves, not one of them spent the money to do the research and development to achieve the high quality that these products are now, and not one of these countries started these companies with an individual who is competing solely on Free Market Capitalist Ideals!!
This isn't about whining, it is about giving away the company store to those who are trying to destroy us economically!! It is about giving away the means and technology to compete against ourselves!! That is not sane!!
We are not talking about an individual or group of individuals starting up their own little version of Microsoft in the open market, we are talking about Socialist Governments using Government funds to support all the waste and error that would bankrupt any other company by buying all the machinery from us, the instructions on how to use it coming from us, and then demanding that we use this new company to provide a product, thereby depriving an American competitor a chance to make the product at a cheaper price only they cant BECAUSE THESE FOREIGN COMPANIES ARE USING SLAVE LABOR!!
Capitalist companies cannot compete against that because we are liable for our losses in manufacturing through human error, we use our own money not the governments, and when we go under, it is our tough luck.
Not so in China or Malaysia or Thailand or India or Mexico....
And there is the rub. This guy saw his companies old machines down there running. This Mexican who set up business didnt design these machines, they didnt develop the machines, they bought them lock, stock, and barrel.
Even a college education is no gurantee for a job. For years we have been told that a bachelor's degree will get you work. Not true anymore. Now, you will have to figure out what the rich will be willing to pay you to do for them. It's sad!!
I think we're seeing a sea change in America. I believe there is a good chance that this experiment we call America, which after all at only 200+ years is still in its infancy, will fail by the end of the 21st century.
When the money flow slows to a trickle, some will make due with less and others will take from those with more.
Unless some new technology( religion ) creates jobs in the next 8 months the next presidential election will produce some very interesting demagogues. Eva Perone are you listening?
I agree. Some people are like this.
Now, you will have to figure out what the rich will be willing to pay you to do for them. It's sad!!
Please describe a time in our history when this was not the case. You're dreaming if you think that now the "rich" are controlling everything. There has never been a better time for the common man to choose his own destiny.
If you are an American corporation and you ship all your jobs overseas, your entire corporation goes with it. Your executives live in the third-world squalor they exploit.
No country can import goods to the United States unless it allows FULL and COMPLETE access to ALL markets in that country. That's FREE TRADE and it does not now exist anywhere except the U.S. of A. which is now an abbreviation for "United Suckers of America."
All of you "pure" capitalists can demand pure capitalism from the third-world sewers now taking advantage of the United States in horribly lop-sided arrangements allowed by the traitorous elected politicians and corporations without loyalty or ethics. Those corporations claim to be American but would sell their own American mothers into prostitution to boost earnings-per-share.
We've been through this before in the early 90's
Oh, and were is the pent-up demand going to come from? You think that there is going to be a boom in autos and housing yet to come? What is going to drive growth? No, those jobs are gone and they aren't coming back.
Oh also, We still build cars here. As those who live near Marysville, Ohio, or Smyrna, Tennessee can attest.
Are you saying that if they invest years of studying and tens of thousands dollars in getting the engineering degree they will have a job?
Maybe this guy's real job got outsourced to India? :)
Exactly! The term "Ghost Town" was invented in the American West to describe the abandoned former thriving communities that shut down when the mining operation that supported them stopped.
When did FreeRepublic become "SovietSocialist" Republic?
You don't see many unemployed doctors and lawyers bumming around, do you? those people should've at least finished HS before starting bitching about lack of jobs.
You know nothing of South Georgia, it's obvious. You know less about the sorts of factories they put there. Do you suppose the Queen's seamstresses were high school grads? The cotton workers? The people in tin shops?
You do not need a high school education to work in a factory. Early in this century, a lot of men went on to become highly trained millworkers as soon as they stepped off the boat from Italy, Ireland, Whales, et al. Stop being such a snob.
You better believe she is, she's going around the country, hawking her book of lies and trying to tap into all of the frustration out there. She'll succeed when enough engineers and tech types who are now working at Wal-Mart get desperate enough to believe in her brand of socialism.
Intermetro closed in January 2002, laying off the last 112 people from a payroll that had once been near 200.
Intermetro (in Douglas, Ga) is in this list of Superfund sites.
I wonder what that is about? Was the health of folks in the area endangered?
Medical doctors, optometrists, auto mechanics, receptionists, dental hygienists, plumbers, electricians, etc, etc, etc , are usually in the same country as their clients/patients/customers.
My guess is that Democrats are worried that, if US factories lose work, then US unions will lose members. (I realize this article mentions that Intermetro workers were not unionized). Or maybe the Democrats are hoping to convince workers that unionizing will save their jobs.
Fewer factory jobs = Fewer unions = Less money and influence for Democrats
The workers can get other jobs.
But the Democrats can't afford to lose their cash cow.
I'd suggest that you familiarize yourself with the facts:
Union affiliation of employed wage and salary workers by occupation and industry
The truth is, only 15% of factory workers are represented by organized labor.
In contrast, over 40% of government workers are unionized.
By repeating this misinformation about manufacturing sector employees, you stand guilty of enabling the expansion of government employee unions and their BS socialist programs to "help". Please straighten out your act.
Yes, it is. Especially when you don't read or hear in the news about meetings taking place where plans such as these are made...
The president has also announced an effort to pursue a free trade agreement with the nations of Central America. Success here will further strengthen our economic ties with those countries, and reinforce the great economic and political progress they've made over the last decade. Free trade with Central America will also move us toward an even broader aim -- a Free Trade Area of the Americas, up and running by January of 2005. The president is strongly committed to this goal, and all of our trade efforts are pointed in this direction.
The free trade zone we seek would facilitate commerce among nations with a combined GDP exceeding ten trillion dollars, and lift the lives of more than 800 million people. Later this year, the United States and Brazil will assume co-chairmanship of trade negotiations at the hemispheric level. We look forward to the partnership, to the important work ahead, and to the great opportunities in store for all the democracies of this region.
I can't wait to see where the 800 million people whose lives are going to be lifted live.
Nice facts...but not what I was talking about.
Until you can tell me that unions won't lose membership if factories close, I haven't misrepresented anything.
When confronted with facts, "deny, deny, deny".
Very Klintonian of you.
If you folks insist on the government spending money on something, better to spend it on re-training for workers rather than protectionism. Give a man a fish, or teach him how---the latter is far preferable.
Your screen nick is a misnomer. You're hardly an "enemy of the state" if you want the State to control production and the economy. Try StatesBestFriend.
Not at all....
But, I'm sure that even the Klintonian Democrats are smart enough to know what I am writing about.
Those poor, pitiful Democrats need all the votes they can get.
They certainly are losing a lot of their former supporters.
We can always hope that most Americans will, eventually, realize this is true.