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Kenyan Anglican Bishop Attacked for Opposing US Homosexual Appointment
VIRTUOSITY Digest - 8 Aug 2003 to 9 Aug 2003 (#2003-68) ^ | Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:10:55 EDT | By Dennis Lumiti

Posted on 08/10/2003 6:06:35 PM PDT by mlmr

Kenyan Bishop attacked for opposing US homosexual appointment

By Dennis Lumiti

A Kenyan Anglican Bishop was yesterday morning attacked in a London street by two Church of England colleagues for opposing the appointment of a homosexual bishop by the US Episcopal Church.

The British clerics accused the Anglican Church of Kenya (ACK) of taking an uncompromising stand over the controversial appointment of Rev Gene Robinson as bishop of New Hampshire.

The two confronted Bishop Simon Oketch in London where he is attending an international seminar dubbed: "New Wine Conference".

The confrontation began with a heated argument over the appointment of Robinson and almost resulted in an exchange of blows before members of the public came to Oketch's rescue.

Oketch, who is in-Charge of ACK Maseno North Diocese, called the East African Standard Kakamega office from London immediately after the incident.

"I did not have any fear being in the United Kingdom because Anglican clergymen in this country have never indicated their support for this kind of behaviour," he said.

Oketch said he was going to the venue of the seminar when he alighted from a vehicle while dressed in his collar. The religious garb attracted the attention of the church leaders who were walking along the street.

He said when the English clergymen saw him, they asked him to stop and after greetings, inquired which country he was from.

"When I said I was from Kenya, they expressed anger and asked me to discuss an issue with them before I could continue with my journey," he said.

"One of them said they were saddened by the stand taken by the Anglican Church in Kenya and other countries over the appointment of the gay bishop.

"I told them we could not budge on the issue and that we will oppose it to the end because it is un-Christian," said Oketch.

He said his reply did not go down well with his colleagues who then grabbed him and threatened to beat him up before members of the public noticed the commotion and came to his rescue.

He said the clergymen hurled abuse at him over ACK's stand as they were being pulled away by members of the public.

Meanwhile, an American evangelist yesterday condemned the appointment of the practising homosexual as Bishop, adds Francis Nzaywa

Rev Edward Henderson of Study, Observe and Teach (SOT) Ministries in North Dallas,Texas, at the same time said homosexuals should be barred from holding offices in churches around the world.

Rev Henderson said homosexuals cannot claim to have been called to minister over the Church of Christ as they lacked the spiritual, theological and moral right to do so.

The clergyman said this when he gave a keynote speech during a three- day SOT Life Changing Seminar at a Kakamega hotel.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: christianlist; christianpersecution; episcopalians; fallout; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; kenya
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1 posted on 08/10/2003 6:06:35 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
If a queer assaults someone for being normal, is it a hate crime?
2 posted on 08/10/2003 6:08:29 PM PDT by putupon (Send your Credit Card # w/ exp. date to PO Box BR-549 Trailer, AR & good fortune will follow you)
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To: mlmr
violent fags.
3 posted on 08/10/2003 6:08:46 PM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: Ippolita
ping
4 posted on 08/10/2003 6:09:43 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Coleus
ping
5 posted on 08/10/2003 6:10:05 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: mlmr
Such peaceful pro-homosexual clergy. I guess the poor victim will have a movie made about this hate crime perpetrated upon him.
6 posted on 08/10/2003 6:10:19 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: putupon
Just a preview of things to come.
7 posted on 08/10/2003 6:11:32 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: mlmr
They don't want tolerance. They want total domination.
8 posted on 08/10/2003 6:11:37 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: mlmr
What's with these guys. Is it the heat?
9 posted on 08/10/2003 6:11:56 PM PDT by Mears
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To: putupon
Is it a hate crime? In your dreams!!!!!
10 posted on 08/10/2003 6:13:07 PM PDT by Mears
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To: mlmr
I bet that's how he got off from the touching charges.

This morning my pastor metioned that an openly gay congressman was adressing the UN about boycotts on countries that do not tolerate sodomites, and he said that religion gets in the way of the homosexual agenda. Then a professor from Princeton University suggested that they should limit religious freedoms.
11 posted on 08/10/2003 6:14:33 PM PDT by Lantern1776 ("without religion, mankind is doomed" -Micheal Savage)
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To: Mears
Nah, just surly little people who aren't getting their way. Gives you a general idea of the quality of clergy involved though. Yeesh.
12 posted on 08/10/2003 6:15:22 PM PDT by Threepwood
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To: Lijahsbubbe
They don't want tolerance. They want total domination.

Bingo!!

And I hope other American/Western denominations are taking note. It's coming... if not through your councils and conferences, through the law.

13 posted on 08/10/2003 6:16:42 PM PDT by Eala
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To: mlmr
I'm a fan of David Virtue, but he sometimes overstates things. This is such an odd story, that I wonder whether the "nearly came to blows" part is inaccurate.

That said, I can certainly believe that there are clergy who would get right in his face to denounce him.

Indeed, I seem to recall a passage in Genesis that sounds eerily familiar:

But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." (Genesis 19:3-5)

As a matter of fact, the Old Testament flavor of this whole mess is too obvious to ignore.....

14 posted on 08/10/2003 6:19:55 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
With homosexuals involved, "nearly came to blows" is a rather ambiguous statement.
15 posted on 08/10/2003 6:21:25 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: r9etb
Are you saying that it is not true? Or are you saying that the immorality of the event is timeless?
16 posted on 08/10/2003 6:22:59 PM PDT by mlmr (Am I having fun yet???)
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To: Paul Atreides
Paaauuulll!!
17 posted on 08/10/2003 6:23:49 PM PDT by mlmr (Am I having fun yet???)
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To: mlmr
I didn't know the demoncratic party had a branch in the Church of England?
18 posted on 08/10/2003 6:28:42 PM PDT by daveoverpar
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To: mlmr

__________

From Matthew 7

"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.


Wonder if "bishop" Robinson ever read the above?

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

ECUSA? "Bishop" Robinson??

16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. 18 A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits. 21


Wonder how we can apply the above from Matthew to the following statement:

He said his reply did not go down well with his colleagues who then grabbed him and threatened to beat him up before members of the public noticed the commotion and came to his rescue.

Indeed, we can know them by their fruits...
19 posted on 08/10/2003 6:30:02 PM PDT by glory
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To: daveoverpar
Leftist, Marxist, socialist, Nazi,&*%^%$$%#$$%#$# thugs are the same worldwide.
20 posted on 08/10/2003 6:30:14 PM PDT by mlmr (Am I having fun yet???)
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To: mlmr
Oh, yeah. More of that love and tolerance from those who preach it the loudest, huh? Hypocrites!
21 posted on 08/10/2003 6:32:09 PM PDT by Sister_T
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To: glory
Is Robinson the homosexual priest who stated that God told him to leave his wife and come out of the closet? I remember a post of an article in which a priest made that statement.
22 posted on 08/10/2003 6:34:07 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: r9etb
As a matter of fact, the Old Testament flavor of this whole mess is too obvious to ignore.....

Same thoughts here.

23 posted on 08/10/2003 6:34:09 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Lijahsbubbe
But what do you mean by saying it has an Old Testament flavor? That it is made up? or that evil remains the same through time?
24 posted on 08/10/2003 6:35:54 PM PDT by mlmr (Am I having fun yet???)
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To: mlmr
My mother's little Episcopal church in Lower Alabama owns their building. They have simply stopped sending their dues to the national associations. Not a darn thing anybody can do to them. In addition, their deligates who voted in favor of the gay guy will have to appear before the people they represent and account for their votes. In short the local folks aren't happy about the way things turned out.
25 posted on 08/10/2003 6:37:45 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: mlmr
After reading this, I have to sing praise for the church we attended today. We have been looking for a church home and before we did, hubby and I discussed about how it would be nice to know ahead of time people's views on the issues of the day in the church, since that will likely give you a good idea of just how "Bible-believing" they are. God answered us today when one of the first orders of the day was to discuss, without specific names, the unbiblical event that took place this week in a major Christian congregation. Every person in the congregation nodded their heads in agreement. It was such a joy to find a pastor and church who were not afraid to voice their displeasure and comment on current events. It was nice to walk in a church and know exactly which way they lean--in the directio of the Holy Bible:-)
26 posted on 08/10/2003 6:38:31 PM PDT by glory
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To: Paul Atreides
Not sure if he is the one, but he did indeed leave his wife and children to shack up with a man and become openly homo.
27 posted on 08/10/2003 6:40:43 PM PDT by glory
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To: gov_bean_ counter
I already know the answer to this, but the homosexuals and their supporters need to just go off an start their own churches and distort The Bible all they want.
28 posted on 08/10/2003 6:41:47 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: mlmr
I am saying that the example given from Genesis was the same scripture I thought of when I read this story.

Pssst, why do you keep asking the same question?

29 posted on 08/10/2003 6:43:15 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: mlmr
ps After reading what I wrote, thought I should add that we based our decision on more than that. We know a number of folks who attend the church through our homeschool support group so we knew a lot about it and made a lot of our decision before we attended about whether it was Biblically sound. Just thought I'd throw that in in case I get the comment about how we know nothing about this church, blah, blah;-) and what a silly way to choose a church. This was just the crowning jewel event after checking them out and knowing other members.
30 posted on 08/10/2003 6:45:02 PM PDT by glory
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To: Lijahsbubbe
I ask until I get an answer, I have been called persistant by some and annoying by others.

I just wondered why that was brought up. It does sound like the Sodom story I thought that someone thought that the article was made up and that is why they were referencing the story.
31 posted on 08/10/2003 6:46:31 PM PDT by mlmr (Am I having fun yet???)
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To: mlmr
Glad you didn't take my comment offensively. It was meant playfully, but that's hard to get across in print.

You never know when someone's just trying to stir the pot, that's why I asked!
32 posted on 08/10/2003 6:51:25 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: farmfriend; Mr. Silverback; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; ...
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33 posted on 08/10/2003 7:00:55 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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To: Paul Atreides
"Just a preview of things to come."

Paul, you are correct.


34 posted on 08/10/2003 7:10:31 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: mlmr

Divide and conquer.
35 posted on 08/10/2003 7:15:43 PM PDT by damncat (Your brain on liberalism, get the picture?)
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To: Paul Atreides
homosexuals and their supporters need to just go off an start their own churches and distort The Bible all they want.

Checkout the Metropolitan Community Church.... Oh, bring a barf bag.

36 posted on 08/10/2003 7:27:06 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Paul Atreides; glory; gov_bean_ counter; Remedy; Bryan; scripter
I already know the answer to this, but the homosexuals and their supporters need to just go off an start their own churches and distort The Bible all they want.

Well, that isn't what they want, though.

They want a big-name, mainstream church to sign on the dotted line: "we didn't really mean it about catamitism, and God was wrong, or we misunderstood or something -- gay is perfectly okay, blameless and without blemish". That's what they are "angling" for from the Anglicans. As a gay poster once put it on Salon's "TableTalk":

DavidS. - 09:45 am PST - Mar 31, 2000 - #2943 of 5458
your friendly neighborhood pagan savage

......... And I'll be damn before I let you run me out of my country. Idea, If you don't want to listen why I'm sure we can find another guay country for you? I'll even give you 10$ for a cup of coffee at the airport. .... I think alot of people are missing the point in this debate. The reason this causes so much venom and invective, everything from James' veiled unease to your outright bigotry, is that if it becomes reality it notices on a societal level the sexual and emotional relationship between two people of the same gender. Not only that but it legitimizes it. No more "deviant behaviour", "those people", no more feelin' smug in our little churches. It is a direct and quite visceral challenge to the prejudices that be. In the end it's not about rights, constitutionalism, fair play, or even commitment. It's about recognition. Plain and simple, that's why D.P. [domestic partnerships] are not enough. The gay men and women who are championing this have stopped hiding which was bad enough, they refuse to be ashamed for which they will fry in hell, now they want to marry and if that happens all society will burn for it. Get real [my name] no one is goin' willingly back into the closet, these people are not going to accept lesser status to coddle your prejudice.


37 posted on 08/10/2003 7:37:33 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Usquequo, Domine?)
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To: mlmr
Typical Leftist tactics. If you refuse to do what you're told, we'll beat you into submission.
38 posted on 08/10/2003 7:43:29 PM PDT by jimkress (Go away Pat Go away!)
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To: glory
"When I said I was from Kenya, they expressed anger and asked me to discuss an issue with them before I could continue with my journey," he said.

"One of them said they were saddened by the stand taken by the Anglican Church in Kenya and other countries over the appointment of the gay bishop.

"I told them we could not budge on the issue and that we will oppose it to the end because it is un-Christian," said Oketch.

He said his reply did not go down well with his colleagues who then grabbed him and threatened to beat him up before members of the public noticed the commotion and came to his rescue.

He said the clergymen hurled abuse at him over ACK's stand as they were being pulled away by members of the public.

The two clergymen seemed to be acting out of demonic hatred. Every once in a while, something happens that demonstrates the spiritual element of some controversial issue. I am glad that Bishop Oketch and other African Christians are standing their ground. I think Christianity has largely become superficial in the West because life is easy here and too many self-indulgent people have become attracted to positions of authority, and too many lazy or timid people will allow the self-indulgent bullies to do whatever they want. If you look to countries in Latin America, Africa, Asia, and Eastern Europe, you will find many people who have been on the threashing floor of persecution, war, or poverty -- this will separate the wheat from the chaff. If God raises up leaders who will revitalize Christianity in the 21st Century, somehow I doubt that these people will come from Europe or even North America. We have been given much, and we have squandered so much.

39 posted on 08/10/2003 7:45:35 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the heads up!
40 posted on 08/10/2003 9:10:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: tbpiper; Paul Atreides; scripter
"homosexuals and their supporters need to just go off an start their own churches and distort The Bible all they want."

"Checkout the Metropolitan Community Church.... Oh, bring a barf bag."


Sex, torture and erotic electrification in America's 'gay' churches



Choice4Truth

41 posted on 08/11/2003 6:03:50 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: EdReform
bumpity bump
42 posted on 08/11/2003 10:33:28 AM PDT by mlmr (Am I having fun yet???)
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To: mlmr
Bump!


What Homosexuals Say About Homosexuals - Is This Gay Behavior Sick?

43 posted on 08/11/2003 1:54:08 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
If you look to countries in Latin America, Africa, Asia, and Eastern Europe, you will find many people who have been on the threashing floor of persecution, war, or poverty

The Muslims have been murdering African and Asian Christians by the boatload, the poor Kenyan bishop has real poverty and hardship and martyrdom to deal with. Why does he have to put up with spoiled, narcissistic, gay-apologists in his own church on top of the real problems he and his people deal with every day?

44 posted on 08/11/2003 2:04:41 PM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: justanotherfreeper
The Muslims have been murdering African and Asian Christians by the boatload, the poor Kenyan bishop has real poverty and hardship and martyrdom to deal with. Why does he have to put up with spoiled, narcissistic, gay-apologists in his own church on top of the real problems he and his people deal with every day?

It is obvious that the Kenyan bishop and his two antagonists live in completely different worlds -- both physically and spiritually. The good bishop and the people he represents are busy just trying to survive in a hostile world. Then you have selfish people who think that the world revolves around their every whim, and these scoundrels put on an air of moral superiority whenever they encounter someone better than they are. It is sickening to see people who do wrong get rewarded while people who do good are punished. Of course, this is nothing new. I think what is new is the sense of entitlement and moral superiority that wrongdoers express. Some people have no shame.

45 posted on 08/11/2003 6:43:33 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: justanotherfreeper
Now that is a good post.
46 posted on 08/11/2003 9:10:26 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: mlmr
INTREP
47 posted on 08/11/2003 10:14:25 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper
What does that mean?
48 posted on 08/12/2003 5:48:43 AM PDT by mlmr (Am I having fun yet???)
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To: mlmr
I am a retired Army officer (artillery, MI, and chaplain). I have the privilege of teaching several classes in Colorado Springs to high school, college, and adults on comparative worldviews (biblical vs secular). As I read the various threads, some impress me as good for illustrating different worldviews. So, using some Army terminology, I mark "incidents" as "SPOTREPS" (spot report) and "descriptions of the current world scene" as "SITREPs" (situation reports). INTREP (Intelligence Report) provides information of an event involving those of the "opposition;" INTSUM (Intelligence Summary) provides more general information. When I get home, I download these SPOTREPs and SITREPs to a database for future use.

Does that help?

49 posted on 08/12/2003 8:01:23 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: EdReform
Interesting thread. i posted a piece that may be of interest to you there.
50 posted on 08/12/2003 8:55:12 AM PDT by mlmr (Am I having fun yet???)
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