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How the 'Radicals' Can Save the Democrats
New York Times ^ | August 11, 2003 | SAM TANENHAUS

Posted on 08/10/2003 8:33:05 PM PDT by new cruelty

TARRYTOWN, N.Y. — A battle for the soul of the Democratic Party has broken out, pitting a predominantly liberal field of presidential hopefuls against moderate party leaders and political strategists. While Howard Dean and John Kerry have been stirring up crowds plainly eager to have at President Bush, Democratic officials have been trying to tamp the fervor down, warning that "extremists" will take the party back to the dark ages of 1972 and 1984.

True, with Mr. Bush looking formidable and the Republicans in control of Congress, the urge toward moderation may seem sensible. But it ignores a glaring fact: Republicans have repeatedly won elections in recent decades largely by taking the opposite approach: giving free rein to their raucous base and choosing candidates who excite the party's rank and file. And isn't that, after all, what political parties are supposed to do?

Certainly, none of the top Democratic contenders are truly radical. Mr. Kerry, who happens to be the wealthiest member of the Senate, perhaps went overboard when he read aloud the pay packages of several business executives at an A.F.L.-C.I.O. event the other day. But if he's an extremist, so was Franlin D. Roosevelt, who railed against "unscrupulous money changers" in 1933. And to exaggerate the threat of an imminent "far left" takeover of the party — as Senator Evan Bayh, head of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council, recently did — really implies a repudiation of much of the party's traditional beliefs.

Besides, it is not at all clear that far-left ideology was the cause of past Democratic defeats — or that ideology plays a truly decisive role in presidential elections. While political strategists and pundits tend think in terms of sharply delineated issues, most voters do not. "The American Voter," the landmark study by University of Michigan researchers published in 1960 and still a very useful guide to its subject, found that only one-fourth of the electorate held a clear opinion on most issues and identified those positions with one party or the other. A mere 2 percent could be classified as holding a consistently "ideological" position on overall policy.

And to judge from recent elections, little has changed. In the 1980's the public supported the anti-Soviet, anti-government views of Ronald Reagan. In the 1990's the same public favored the globalist, pro-government politics of Bill Clinton. And neither president was held to the bar of consistency, whether it was the conservative Mr. Reagan creating huge deficits or the liberal Mr. Clinton dismantling welfare.

So, too, with President Bush, who now seems a small-government conservative (tax cuts for the rich), now a big-government liberal (prescription drug benefits), now a social liberal (favoring some types of affirmative action), now a social conservative (opposed to gay marriage).

But if abstract ideology plays a limited role in presidential races, the importance of ideologues and extremists — that is, of people who cling to strong beliefs — can't be overstated. It is they who bring passion and energy to politics, as Dr. Dean's Web-linked legions are now doing. Without these "radicals," parties can lose their way.

The Republican establishment learned this lesson almost despite itself in the 1964 election. Democrats would do well to study that campaign, too, since its circumstances were remarkably similar to those unfolding today.

Back then, of course, the positions were reversed. A strong Democratic incumbent, Lyndon Johnson, was buoyed by a national crisis that rallied the public behind him: the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Republican Party chieftains, facing almost certain defeat, wanted to anoint a moderate candidate like Nelson Rockefeller or William Scranton, who could at least make a respectable showing.

But the party rank and file, tired of me-too politics and demanding "a choice, not an echo," ardently backed the conservative Barry Goldwater. Party moderates, sounding just like today's worried Democrats, warned that Goldwater was an extremist whose nomination might marginalize the party for decades to come. They mounted a last-minute offensive to stop him, but Goldwater squeaked through, shocking his adversaries (and thrilling his followers) when he declared in his acceptance speech: "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. . . . Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." After that, most agreed, he was finished. And indeed he was trounced by Johnson.

But for Republicans this was not the devastating setback it appeared. On the contrary, it was the crucial first step toward a historic victory. Goldwater's "extremism" turned out, on closer inspection, to be a form of idealism that revitalized the conservative movement in the years ahead. Youthful veterans of the Goldwater movement — including Lee Edwards of the Heritage Foundation and Howard Phillips, head of the Conservative Caucus — help set a new policy agenda. Richard Viguerie, a member of the pro-Goldwater group Young Americans for Freedom, became an innovative fund-raiser. Patrick Buchanan, another Goldwaterite, helped formulate the more conservative components of Richard Nixon's agenda as a White House speechwriter.

Over time the party shed its "me too" approach and developed a more sophisticated ideological style, which culminated in Ronald Reagan's 1980 victory. Today it is Lyndon Johnson's big-government heirs whom centrist Democrats say are on the fringes, while the Goldwater-influenced conservatives plausibly claim to occupy the mainstream.

The Republican Party would never again underestimate the uses of zeal and continues to exploit it. In fact, even as the Democratic Leadership Council sounded its alarm in Philadelphia, some 1,000 young right-wing firebrands assembled at the Republican college convention in Washington. They excitedly discussed Ann Coulter's new book "Treason," which depicts liberals as the enemy within, and heard from a prominent lobbyist who described Democrats as "the ascension of evil, the bad guys, the Bolsheviks." Other highlights were speeches by Tom DeLay, the vociferous House majority leader, and Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's political maestro, who looked delighted by the enthusiasm of these extremists.

Our two major parties seem to have swapped identities. The Republican establishment, presumably allied with the rich and privileged, embraces its populist core of hard-edged activists, while the Democratic elite, supposed champions of "the people," evidently fears them. Only one party has learned the lesson of 1964 — that extremists should not be lectured to but listened to, because they may have something important to say.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; dems; liberals

1 posted on 08/10/2003 8:33:05 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
The liberal elite has been trying to thwart and get the recall election in California cancelled since they don't control the outcome.
2 posted on 08/10/2003 8:36:01 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: new cruelty
Well, I can only hope that the Dems take the advice of the NY Slimes and go even further left than they are.That'll do wonders to shore up their political base (/sarcasm).
3 posted on 08/10/2003 8:36:31 PM PDT by MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
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To: new cruelty
I must admit I've been enjoying the barely concealed fear in The Times' recent editorials.
4 posted on 08/10/2003 8:45:12 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Leftists view the truth as an easily avoidable nuisance)
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To: Interesting Times
The Times has listed even Lefter in the wake of Howard Raines and Gerald Boyd's departures. The paper's management decided the cure for the ailing Grey Lady's problems was to hire new liberals. Same old dance and song.
5 posted on 08/10/2003 8:47:54 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: new cruelty
Good post, excellent read!

From the author's pen to God's ear, that's all I can say.
6 posted on 08/10/2003 8:48:03 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
Actually, I find myself mostly agreeing with the article, and not just for the fact that Democrats would do well to follow its advice.

What has done far more damage to the party than honorable but sincerely wrong liberals like Humphrey, Mondale and Howard Dean is the so-called centerists like the Clintonistas who have weaved and dodged on issues long enough to grab power and move us closer to dictatorship.

7 posted on 08/10/2003 8:48:27 PM PDT by Rubber Duck
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To: new cruelty
Little Arthur Sulzberger has the hots for Ann Coulter.

The family must be thrilled. A female for once.

Pinch isn't mouthing off about how he would prefer Viet Vong kill Americans than Americans kill Viet Cong.

8 posted on 08/10/2003 8:50:52 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: new cruelty
So many problems with this article, though he does get alot of the Republican side right...

Republicans have repeatedly won elections in recent decades largely by taking the opposite approach

And what makes the author think that Republican tactic will necessarily work for Dems? There are tow notable reasons to believe the opposite here, there are more conservative voters by about five percentage points, and no none 'moderate' Democrat candidate has won the presidency since FDR.

landmark study by University of Michigan researchers published in 1960

The study is 40 years old for goodness sake. And at the time it came out there wasn't much difference between the parties. The Dem candidate in 1960, JFK, was arguing for a stronger anti-communist tack and for major tax cuts.

In the 1990's the same public favored the globalist, pro-government politics of Bill Clinton

Clinton ran on a moderate image both times. Remember how is biggest campaign promise was to cut taxes???
9 posted on 08/10/2003 8:51:01 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: Interesting Times
I've been enjoying the barely concealed fear in The Times' recent editorials

Exactly! They seem a bit hysterical and more than slightly confused by the turn of events in "Kolyfornya".

10 posted on 08/10/2003 8:52:52 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: new cruelty
"the anti-Soviet, anti-government views of Ronald Reagan."


anti gov? no. smaller, less tyrannical govt.
11 posted on 08/10/2003 8:52:58 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Al Gore at NYU : "Islam delenda est")
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To: swilhelm73
Yes... and now the Democrats will bid to see who can raise taxes, slash homeland security spending, and propose an orgy of new domestic entitlement programs. This formula should prove a real winner in November 2004.
12 posted on 08/10/2003 8:54:41 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
You and me both. I can almost see it now...

I hope they parade Lenin's corpse across the country on a grassroots revival train. Thousands of screaming Lefties smelling like goats in the summer sun waiting at each city station to see the body propped up while each fruit-cake candidate kisses the corpse.

Hairy lipped earth mamas swooning and scrawny graybeards shaking their Parkinson palsied fists. Tie dyed T-shirts as far as the eye can see. Ben and Jerry personally hawking their ice cream to the Volvo crowd. Cheryl Crow and Marting Sheen leading the crowd in anti-Bush chanting and a flabby, red nosed Clinton with his hands on Cheryl's hips. A massive, rutting festival the likes of which hasn't been seen since Woodstock.

Slogans promising everything to everyone. Rage at the machine. The middle finger displayed as much as the peace sign. Oh yeah, Baby, I can see it now. Love - Hate! Peace - War! Down with you and up yours! I got mine and I want yours!

The only thing I would want to add to the festivities would be hundreds of camera lenses to show middle-America the freaks as they truly are, and, plenty of National Guardsmen with live ammo.
13 posted on 08/10/2003 8:56:51 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: new cruelty
There are certain problems with what the Times is thinking. A majority of americans, do hold republican views, however, they do not always vote republican. Republican views, have been, for a long time mainstream. Democrats generally win elections, by sounding moderate, not running to the left (they govern to the left, they do not run on it).

Americans tend to hold a hostile view towards the concept of socialism, hence why democrats don't call themselves such (even John Edwards, in a foolish move, called Bush's policies "the worst thing to hit these shores since socialism").

Goldwater, did not lose because of his views, he lost because he was viewed as an extremist by the liberal media, and LBJ's famous "daisy" commercial. Jimmy Carter didn't run as a big time liberal, he governed that way, and lost. Ironically, Ted Kennedy even saw what was happening, and knew that Carter's presidency was such a disaster that it would set liberals back at least a decade or 2 and ran against him.

The new fad now, is to run to the center, not draw the center to you, this strategy, while good for democrats, since they can lie, back fires badly for republicans. Ronald Reagans gift, was he could draw the center to the right, in politics today, only Governor Jeb Bush seems to understand this concept.

14 posted on 08/10/2003 8:56:53 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Interesting Times
The Republican establishment, presumably allied with the rich and privileged

Will you be eating at "the club" tonight? We can't make it; charity balls, you know.

Love to the wife and kids; see you at the polo matches this weekend!

*Snicker*

15 posted on 08/10/2003 8:57:31 PM PDT by Howlin (If we don't post, will he exist?)
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"They excitedly discussed Ann Coulter's new book "Treason," which depicts liberals as the enemy within, and heard from a prominent lobbyist who described Democrats as "the ascension of evil, the bad guys, the Bolsheviks." Other highlights were speeches by Tom DeLay, the vociferous House majority leader, and Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's political maestro, who looked delighted by the enthusiasm of these extremists. "

I love this part!
16 posted on 08/10/2003 8:58:21 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Al Gore at NYU : "Islam delenda est")
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To: new cruelty
This is an excellent article.
17 posted on 08/10/2003 8:59:13 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: new cruelty
But it ignores a glaring fact: Republicans have repeatedly won elections in recent decades largely by taking the opposite approach: giving free rein to their raucous base and choosing candidates who excite the party's rank and file.

It's simple math: 40% of the electorate describes itself as "conservative" and only 20% describes itself as "liberal".

A candidate who appeals to conservatives excites the base and only has to reach out to a minority of the moderates to win.

A candidate who appeals to liberals excites a much smaller base and has to gain a huge majority of the moderates to win.

That's why the only Dems who've won in the last 30 years were allegedly moderate southern governors. The liberals, especially the northeastern liberals, all lost and lost big.

18 posted on 08/10/2003 9:05:00 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Numbers Guy
A party trying deparately to find out who it is.......
19 posted on 08/10/2003 9:10:20 PM PDT by umgud (gov't has more money than it needs, but never as much as it wants)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
"A mere 2 percent could be classified as holding a consistently "ideological" position on overall policy. "

98% of the population is too dumb to know what ideology is?

Since 1960 the average voter has not become more educated?

(On FR, its more like 98% are fairly consistent, ideologically!)
20 posted on 08/10/2003 9:13:55 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Al Gore at NYU : "Islam delenda est")
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To: WorkingClassFilth
lol...great visuals! i hope the dems go for it (and they call CA a freak circus?)...heh heh heh
21 posted on 08/10/2003 9:17:11 PM PDT by MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
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To: Howlin
You too?I'm lost without my social secretary...;)
22 posted on 08/10/2003 9:34:08 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
Mine ran off with the Land Rover!
23 posted on 08/10/2003 9:36:12 PM PDT by Howlin (If we don't post, will he exist?)
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To: Howlin
ROFL.We vast right wing conspirators have a lot to bear.
24 posted on 08/10/2003 9:42:18 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: new cruelty
But if he's an extremist, so was Franlin D. Roosevelt

We've been saddled with socialist programs that don't work since the days of FDR. I agree, FDR was an extremist.

25 posted on 08/10/2003 10:15:00 PM PDT by weegee
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To: new cruelty
Something the Times can't see through their own bias is that President Bush ran not as a right wing extremist but as a "compassionate conservative".

In a different time, he would have lost but given the choice of being a purist and voting for Pat and ending up with Gore, and voting for Bush, the base, decided 8 years of Liberals spewing all over the Oval Office rug was enough.

Atleast we know, President Bush isn't harboring an intern under the his Desk.


26 posted on 08/10/2003 10:33:42 PM PDT by tonyinv
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To: new cruelty
I think the man has a point. Look, the Democrats moderate wishy washy junk isn't going to work. On the other hand, their liberal stuff will get them slaughtered.

However, their moment will come. History turns on big moments in hard times. The biggest changes in the last century occurred in 1932 and 1980, both times of huge economic problems. At other times, we will not vote for great Conservatives or great Liberals. The winners of elections tend to be those who best portray themselves as moderates.

27 posted on 08/10/2003 10:50:48 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Who can disagree that the comments on this forum, yours especially, are better thought out and better written than the article itself which appeared in the venerable Grey Lady.
28 posted on 08/11/2003 12:39:35 AM PDT by nathanbedford
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Young conservatives are making themselves heard on campus.The lib,left,feminazi,politically correct,anti American ruling clique on campus has produced a revolt. I love these young "extremists"!
29 posted on 08/11/2003 2:51:31 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Numbers Guy
I agree: He's wrong about liberals because their numbers just don't match ours. But the concept is excellent. The modern Democratic party in Congress represents the last vestige of old ideas they won't even defend in public anymore. If they want to win, they have to try to build up liberalism, the way conservatives built their movement by moving the party to the Right. Not that it will necessarily work for the Left.
30 posted on 08/12/2003 8:23:21 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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