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Man fined for sitting on bench[Germany-you can't sit at playground w/o being accompanied by a child]
Ananova ^ | 07:49 Friday 8th August 2003

Posted on 08/11/2003 6:33:15 AM PDT by yonif

A court in Germany has ordered a man to pay 75 euro for sitting on a park bench.

The man was sitting on the bench in the Botanical Garden in Munich when he was approached by police.

They told him he couldn't sit on the bench, next to a playground, unless he was accompanied by a child.

He later received a letter telling him to pay a 150 euro fine, but went to court.

The court heard the regulation had been established to protect playing children against drug addicts and prostitutes, who frequently come to the garden.

But the man said his only interest in the playground was to see whether it would be a nice place to take his daughter to on a planned weekend visit.

The judge offered to end the court case if the man paid 75 euro to a charity, which he accepted.

But he was still stunned at paying such a high price to sit down, the Sueddeutsche Zeitung reports.

"There weren't even any children around," he told the paper.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Germany; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bench; europe; fine; germany; playground
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1 posted on 08/11/2003 6:33:16 AM PDT by yonif
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To: yonif
...and you have a problem with this law?
2 posted on 08/11/2003 6:34:51 AM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: yonif
I wonder how much this guy already paid for that bench in tax money.
3 posted on 08/11/2003 6:37:25 AM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: yonif
Botanical Garden in Munich

Sniff a flower and the fine is doubled.

4 posted on 08/11/2003 6:40:28 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: presidio9
...and you have a problem with this law?

Not at all.

5 posted on 08/11/2003 6:41:25 AM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: yonif
Good job it was a bench, not a deckchair, or the German would have stolen it, like they do on every summer holiday.
6 posted on 08/11/2003 6:41:52 AM PDT by jjbrouwer (Whaddyou talkin' about, Terminator?)
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To: yonif
If Bloomberg/Davis hear of this scam, they will probably try it in NYC/Calif to get more revenues.

7 posted on 08/11/2003 6:43:11 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: yonif
No, it's a great socialist law. I'm sure the German authorities think they've protected the greater good.
8 posted on 08/11/2003 6:44:33 AM PDT by GigaDittos (I can hear the distant whine about wine in France.)
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To: jjbrouwer
What's with you and deck chairs today JJ? You didn't just get back recently from holiday did you? ;-)
9 posted on 08/11/2003 6:44:46 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: yonif
Wow, this is madness. I hope this doesn't spread to the UK. I don't have any children to hand at the moment for chaperone duties. It would suck if I couldn't sit in the park anymore without borrowing the neigbor boy or girl.
10 posted on 08/11/2003 6:47:23 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Sorry about that. I shall refrain from making any more deckchair-related observations! Though I'm sure there were many German infractions on the beaches of the British Isles during the weekend's heatwave.

How hot did it get in Scotland, by the way?

11 posted on 08/11/2003 6:48:14 AM PDT by jjbrouwer (Whaddyou talkin' about, Terminator?)
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To: jjbrouwer
Oh, you don't have to apologize, I was just wondering what was up with it...

It was muggy here. Good and hot but not so hot as in the South- or so I've heard. Nice weather all together. I didn't have to put on my fleece jacket the whole weekend at any rate ;-)

12 posted on 08/11/2003 6:56:03 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: yonif
Hey, Aqualung...
13 posted on 08/11/2003 7:00:14 AM PDT by boris (Education is always painful; pain is always educational.)
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To: yonif
But the man said his only interest in the playground was to see whether it would be a nice place to take his daughter to on a planned weekend visit.

Uv course it vas a good place to bring ze childrens, it vas provided by ze government for ze Volk! How dare he question ze government fazilities!

14 posted on 08/11/2003 7:06:05 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Make South Korea an island)
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To: jjbrouwer
Lots of people stole deck chairs from the Titanic. They all drowned. Some were German, guess that makes you happy?
15 posted on 08/11/2003 7:20:27 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Your post makes little sense.
16 posted on 08/11/2003 7:27:42 AM PDT by jjbrouwer (Whaddyou talkin' about, Terminator?)
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To: Prodigal Son
Sometimes the weather in Scotland is a law unto itself.

I was just reading about this 100 degree inferno. There were probably a lot of human lobsters on Brighton Beach over the weekend...

17 posted on 08/11/2003 7:30:34 AM PDT by jjbrouwer (Whaddyou talkin' about, Terminator?)
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To: jjbrouwer
About as much as yours!
18 posted on 08/11/2003 7:31:27 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: yonif
Evidently this law was designed to avoid the police having to "profile" park visitors. It would be soooo wrong for the cops to peg somebody as a prostitute or drug addict and shoo them out of the park. So they make it illegal for anyone to sit on a bench without a child present.

With such "zero tolerance" laws and regulations in force, it's no wonder that "Common Sense" committed suicide.
19 posted on 08/11/2003 7:31:37 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: boris
Beat me to it!
20 posted on 08/11/2003 7:32:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
I assume you are a German - you have my sympathy, Fritz.
21 posted on 08/11/2003 7:34:04 AM PDT by jjbrouwer (Whaddyou talkin' about, Terminator?)
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To: Prodigal Son
It would suck if I couldn't sit in the park anymore without borrowing the neigbor boy or girl.

You don't seem to understand - the borrowing of other people's children will be outlawed too.

22 posted on 08/11/2003 7:37:57 AM PDT by Frapster (John 3:16)
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To: yonif
I happen to like this idea... the playground area of the part limited to children and the adults bringing them there to play. As long as signs are properly posted in that specific area, why is this a terrible intrusion? I would guess there are many other benches throughout the part that aren't next to the playground and the fella certainly wouldn't need to hang around for any length of time to see if his daughter would like it.
24 posted on 08/11/2003 7:43:19 AM PDT by Tamzee (I was a vegetarian until I started leaning toward the sunlight...... Rita Rudner)
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To: jjbrouwer
Sometimes the weather in Scotland is a law unto itself.

Aye. The sun hasn't made an appearance yet today and it's fairly cool.

I've just moved into Edinburgh. Be staying here for the next 6 months at least. My flat is right beside the castle. So, there's a nice festive feel in the air right about now and the weather is making it even better. I get fireworks out my sitting room window every night (from the Tattoo) and a never ending stream of tourists to look at when I lean out the window for a smoke. Been a long time since I saw that many of my fellow Americans in one place at one time. All in all, it's very agreeable so far.

26 posted on 08/11/2003 7:45:23 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
You went at the right time with the festival in full swing. I used to spend a lot of time there.

There used to be thousands of American tourists in the city at this time of year but that has probably dropped off a little this year.

28 posted on 08/11/2003 7:48:46 AM PDT by jjbrouwer (Whaddyou talkin' about, Terminator?)
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To: Nettie
Have you heard about how, if we put all men in jail, we'd get rid of 98% of all violent crime

While true, I wouldn't go that far LOL Of course, I wouldn't mind absolute life sentences with no parole for anyone who committed murder, rape or child molestation. That would cut down much of violent crime immediately and then we wouldn't have to worry as much about folks lurking around playgrounds :-)

29 posted on 08/11/2003 8:39:46 AM PDT by Tamzee (I was a vegetarian until I started leaning toward the sunlight...... Rita Rudner)
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To: solution88
yes, what is a park? You have Yosemite, Yellowstone, etc...now if the ordinance specified a child's playground well that may be something. as a matter of fact anti-gang ordinance's in LA disallow even the bad guys from STANDING in the park...
30 posted on 08/11/2003 9:08:58 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: yonif
Looks like we're headed that way, too. Basically, every adult is a "predator" and must feel guilty just for being an adult.
31 posted on 08/11/2003 9:14:47 AM PDT by inquest (We are NOT the world)
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To: Nettie; Tamsey
Fine, ban a childless person from the park. I would have no problem with it if they reduced the taxes of all childless property owners and raised the taxes of the people with children. While they are at it, do the same for the money used for education.

I will go and sit on any bench in any park as long as I am paying for it!
32 posted on 08/11/2003 9:28:42 AM PDT by CSM ("Smoke Gnatzies" - New term for the antis, invented and promoted by Flurry.)
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34 posted on 08/11/2003 10:09:51 AM PDT by DryFly
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To: Nettie
It should be the interest of the parents to ensure the education of their children. I could care less what type of education some one else's kids get! Don't be passing to me the "it helps the value of your property" argument. The bottome line is that people choose to have kids (or at least the creation of kids activity) and they should be totally responsible for that choice. I chose to buy a dog and no one gives me any funding for a dog park, dog school, etc. I don't expect society to help with any responsibility resulting from my choice, therefore I don't expect to have property confiscated from me to assist with responsibility resulting from someone elses choice.

Bottom line, it is not reasonable for a publicly funded entity to restrict the use of that entity to a narrowly defined group of users!
35 posted on 08/11/2003 10:24:26 AM PDT by CSM ("Smoke Gnatzies" - New term for the antis, invented and promoted by Flurry.)
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To: Nettie
Actually a lot of states have laws like this for the purpose of getting creepy guys who hang out around kids to move along.
37 posted on 08/11/2003 12:27:43 PM PDT by MattAMiller
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To: yonif
Germany also bans killing ants.

Germans banned from killing ants

-PJ

38 posted on 08/11/2003 12:32:58 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I guess they are returning to a faciest state!
39 posted on 08/11/2003 12:38:42 PM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: jjbrouwer
No, but most Germans I have met seem to be good people. Your statement was incredably bigoted.
40 posted on 08/11/2003 12:42:19 PM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
incredably [sic]

Are you typing in German now...?

41 posted on 08/11/2003 3:21:20 PM PDT by jjbrouwer (Whaddyou talkin' about, Terminator?)
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To: jjbrouwer
A true sign of a jerk without a good defense, is to point out a spelling, grammer, or typo error.
42 posted on 08/12/2003 6:24:35 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
grammar
43 posted on 08/12/2003 6:36:08 AM PDT by jjbrouwer (Whaddyou talkin' about, Terminator?)
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
german society is goosing stepping right along..again
44 posted on 08/12/2003 6:40:42 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: yonif
But the man said his only interest in the playground was to see whether it would be a nice place to take his daughter to on a planned weekend visit.

Yeah, sure.

45 posted on 08/12/2003 6:42:05 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine ("What if the hokey pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
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To: jjbrouwer
Yep, I am a bad speller and this site has no spell checker. So what?
46 posted on 08/12/2003 6:54:22 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: Tabi Katz
>>>>>>>.I wonder how much this guy already paid for that bench in tax money.<<<<<<<

Not to mention the tight a$$ed cop who had nothing better to do than write the citation in the first place.......sounds an awful like certain Germans never lost their penchant for asking for ones papers...and if they are not in order...off you go!

47 posted on 08/12/2003 6:57:14 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
By the way, what is a "a faciest state"...?
48 posted on 08/12/2003 6:57:32 AM PDT by jjbrouwer (Whaddyou talkin' about, Terminator?)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
But the man said his only interest in the playground was to see whether it would be a nice place to take his daughter to on a planned weekend visit.

Yeah, sure.

I have sat on a bench and enjoyed watching children play. You almost have to have a dirty mind to think someone watching childern play is a molester. I do think this type of law is too restrictive, and typical of a socailistic government like Germany. However, I don't think Germans are a bad people, just ill informed. Perhaps we need to get a conservative radio free Europe!

49 posted on 08/12/2003 7:02:11 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: jjbrouwer
By the way, what is a "a faciest state"...?

You just can't help proving that you are a compleate Ah##e can you?

50 posted on 08/12/2003 7:04:51 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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