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MEASURABLE 14C IN FOSSILIZED ORGANIC MATERIALS: CONFIRMING THE YOUNG EARTH CREATION-FLOOD MODEL
http://www.icr.org/research/icc03/pdf/RATE_ICC_Baumgardner.pdf ^

Posted on 08/11/2003 8:57:56 AM PDT by fishtank

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To: Right Wing Professor
Pity the poor Human, regarded as less than a Bald Eagle egg by the United States Government........
901 posted on 08/15/2003 3:51:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Elsie
Pity the poor Human, regarded as less than a Bald Eagle egg by the United States Government........

No disagreement here.

902 posted on 08/15/2003 4:03:04 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Theophilus
Do you attribute the cosmos and it's current state to chance?

I don't have enough information to explain most of how the cosmos reached its current state.

903 posted on 08/15/2003 4:05:06 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor; PatrickHenry

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/16/668.html


Sec. 668. - Bald and golden eagles

(a) Prohibited acts; criminal penalties

Whoever, within the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, without being permitted to do so as provided in this subchapter, shall knowingly, or with wanton disregard for the consequences of his act take, possess, sell, purchase, barter, offer to sell, purchase or barter, transport, export or import, at any time or in any manner any bald eagle commonly known as the American eagle or any golden eagle, alive or dead, or any part, nest, or egg thereof of the foregoing eagles, or whoever violates any permit or regulation issued pursuant to this subchapter, shall be fined not more than $5,000 or imprisoned not more than one year or both: Provided, That in the case of a second or subsequent conviction for a violation of this section committed after October 23, 1972, such person shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both: Provided further, That the commission of each taking or other act prohibited by this section with respect to a bald or golden eagle shall constitute a separate violation of this section: Provided further, That one-half of any such fine, but not to exceed $2,500, shall be paid to the person or persons giving information which leads to conviction: Provided further, That nothing herein shall be construed to prohibit possession or transportation of any bald eagle, alive or dead, or any part, nest, or egg thereof, lawfully taken prior to June 8, 1940, and that nothing herein shall be construed to prohibit possession or transportation of any golden eagle, alive or dead, or any part, nest, or egg thereof, lawfully taken prior to the addition to this subchapter of the provisions relating to preservation of the golden eagle.

(b) Civil penalties

Whoever, within the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, without being permitted to do so as provided in this subchapter, shall take, possess, sell, purchase, barter, offer to sell, purchase or barter, transport, export or import, at any time or in any manner, any bald eagle, commonly known as the American eagle, or any golden eagle, alive or dead, or any part, nest, or egg thereof of the foregoing eagles, or whoever violates any permit or regulation issued pursuant to this subchapter, may be assessed a civil penalty by the Secretary of not more than $5,000 for each such violation. Each violation shall be a separate offense. No penalty shall be assessed unless such person is given notice and opportunity for a hearing with respect to such violation. In determining the amount of the penalty, the gravity of the violation, and the demonstrated good faith of the person charged shall be considered by the Secretary. For good cause shown, the Secretary may remit or mitigate any such penalty. Upon any failure to pay the penalty assessed under this section, the Secretary may request the Attorney General to institute a civil action in a district court of the United States for any district in which such person is found or resides or transacts business to collect the penalty and such court shall have jurisdiction to hear and decide any such action. In hearing any such action, the court must sustain the Secretary's action if supported by substantial evidence.

 



Sec. 668b. - Enforcement provisions

(a) Arrest; search; issuance and execution of warrants and process

Any employee of the Department of the Interior authorized by the Secretary of the Interior to enforce the provisions of this subchapter may, without warrant, arrest any person committing in his presence or view a violation of this subchapter or of any permit or regulations issued hereunder and take such person immediately for examination or trial before an officer or court of competent jurisdiction; may execute any warrant or other process issued by an officer or court of competent jurisdiction for the enforcement of the provisions of this subchapter; and may, with or without a warrant, as authorized by law, search any place. The Secretary of the Interior is authorized to enter into cooperative agreements with State fish and wildlife agencies or other appropriate State authorities to facilitate enforcement of this subchapter, and by said agreements to delegate such enforcement authority to State law enforcement personnel as he deems appropriate for effective enforcement of this subchapter. Any judge of any court established under the laws of the United States, and any United States magistrate judge may, within his respective jurisdiction, upon proper oath or affirmation showing probable cause, issue warrants in all such cases.

(b) Forfeiture

All bald or golden eagles, or parts, nests, or eggs thereof, taken, possessed, sold, purchased, bartered, offered for sale, purchase, or barter, transported, exported, or imported contrary to the provisions of this subchapter, or of any permit or regulation issued hereunder, and all guns, traps, nets, and other equipment, vessels, vehicles, aircraft, and other means of transportation used to aid in the taking, possessing, selling, purchasing, bartering, offering for sale, purchase, or barter, transporting, exporting, or importing of any bird, or part, nest, or egg thereof, in violation of this subchapter or of any permit or regulation issued hereunder shall be subject to forfeiture to the United States.

(c) Customs laws applied

All provisions of law relating to the seizure, forfeiture, and condemnation of a vessel for violation of the customs laws, the disposition of such vessel or the proceeds from the sale thereof, and the remission or mitigation of such forfeitures, shall apply to the seizures and forfeitures incurred, or alleged to have been incurred, under the provisions of this subchapter, insofar as such provisions of law are applicable and not inconsistent with the provisions of this subchapter: Provided, That all powers, rights, and duties conferred or imposed by the customs laws upon any officer or employee of the Treasury Department shall, for the purposes of this subchapter, be exercised or performed by the Secretary of the Interior or by such persons as he may designate.

 

Sec. 668c. - Definitions

As used in this subchapter ''whoever'' includes also associations, partnerships, and corporations; ''take'' includes also pursue, shoot, shoot at, poison, wound, kill, capture, trap, collect, molest or disturb; ''transport'' includes also ship, convey, carry, or transport by any means whatever, and deliver or receive or cause to be delivered or received for such shipment, conveyance, carriage, or transportation.

 



(No trimesters listed HERE!!!  No BRAINS, either...)

 

904 posted on 08/15/2003 4:06:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: PatrickHenry
Besides, the only thing worse than a crevo argument is an abortion argument. And having a 'moderate' position on abortion only gets you !@#$ from both sides.

Have a good weekend, PH, and everyone else.

905 posted on 08/15/2003 4:07:27 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Elsie
Oh... did I mention that...
 
your Constitutional rights to be secure in your own home is GONE with this 'law' !?!?
 

Sec. 668b. - Enforcement provisions

(a) Arrest; search; issuance and execution of warrants and process

Any employee of the Department of the Interior authorized by the Secretary of the Interior to enforce the provisions of this subchapter may, without warrant, arrest any person committing in his presence or view a violation of this subchapter or of any permit or regulations issued hereunder and take such person immediately for examination or trial before an officer or court of competent jurisdiction; may execute any warrant or other process issued by an officer or court of competent jurisdiction for the enforcement of the provisions of this subchapter; and may, with or without a warrant, as authorized by law, search any place. The Secretary of the Interior is authorized to enter into cooperative agreements with State fish and wildlife agencies or other appropriate State authorities to facilitate enforcement of this subchapter, and by said agreements to delegate such enforcement authority to State law enforcement personnel as he deems appropriate for effective enforcement of this subchapter. Any judge of any court established under the laws of the United States, and any United States magistrate judge may, within his respective jurisdiction, upon proper oath or affirmation showing probable cause, issue warrants in all such cases.

(b) Forfeiture

All bald or golden eagles, or parts, nests, or eggs thereof, taken, possessed, sold, purchased, bartered, offered for sale, purchase, or barter, transported, exported, or imported contrary to the provisions of this subchapter, or of any permit or regulation issued hereunder, and all guns, traps, nets, and other equipment, vessels, vehicles, aircraft, and other means of transportation used to aid in the taking, possessing, selling, purchasing, bartering, offering for sale, purchase, or barter, transporting, exporting, or importing of any bird, or part, nest, or egg thereof, in violation of this subchapter or of any permit or regulation issued hereunder shall be subject to forfeiture to the United States.

 


906 posted on 08/15/2003 4:10:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Right Wing Professor
And having a 'moderate' position on abortion only gets you !@#$ from both sides.

And, rightly so!!


Ain't NOBODY likes a fence sitter!!!

[Very nearly as slimey as a politician!]

907 posted on 08/15/2003 4:12:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Con X-Poser
[Haeckel's forged drawings]

Appearing in Futuyama:

From Review of Icons of Evolution

Wells gleefully excoriates Futuyma for using Haeckel's drawings, but apparently in his fit of righteous indignation, he forgot to read the text, in which the drawings are discussed in a historical context -- stating why Haeckel is wrong -- and Futuyma has an entire chapter devoted to development and evolution.

So I fell for a rhetorical trick. Yes, it *appears* in the textbook, but it's not being taught as current theory. Very similar to an exhange on the Dino thread where someone tried pulling the same trick with a different text (which included Haeckel as an exercise for students to find out what was wrong with it!)

It's like you said that chemistry texts included earth-air-fire-water and phlogiston theories, but just happened to fail to mention that they were included in the historica section.

Shameful!

Unless you can come up with substantial quotes from the texts to the contrary, I will assume that the two I've already responded to are typical - that Haeckel and recapitulationism are included as historical data, not current theory.

908 posted on 08/15/2003 7:08:51 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: js1138
I'm having difficulty understanding this controversy. I have had only two courses in biology, in 1960 and in the late 60s. In both classes the teacher was careful to point out Haeckel's errors, and the error in the catchphrase.

Very similar to my own experience.

909 posted on 08/15/2003 7:14:56 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: js1138; RadioAstronomer
Lowell pretty much faked his drawings of martian canals

Sky and Telescope a few months ago provided evidence that he was actually seeing the veins in his retina. Like he was using the telescope as an opthalamoscope!

RA, you remember this?

910 posted on 08/15/2003 7:21:43 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
Separated at birth???


911 posted on 08/15/2003 8:06:59 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Virginia-American; All
What issue? I take it, but don't remember the article.......


What happened HERE?


Scientist calls gay people 'pinnacle of evolution'
     
Posted by ALS to conservababeJen; gore3000; Dataman; f.Christian; JesseShurun; NewLand; AndrewC; bondserv; ...
On News/Activism 08/16/2003 12:08 AM CDT #97 of 98
 


     
 
This thread has been pulled.

Okay

 

Drat!  I was wanting to see what was going on!!!!!  I guess I cannot add my two cents worth now. 
 
Oh well, I think it was said, somewhere, the only the FITTEST survive........

912 posted on 08/16/2003 6:13:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Virginia-American
Yes, it *appears* in the textbook, but it's not being taught as current theory. Very similar to an exhange on the Dino thread where someone tried pulling the same trick with a different text (which included Haeckel as an exercise for students to find out what was wrong with it!)

Exactly the same.

913 posted on 08/16/2003 7:29:43 AM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is no excuse.)
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To: Elsie
They probably figured that gay threads get heated, crevo thread get heated, and a gay/crevo thread would therefore cause total meltdown.
914 posted on 08/16/2003 10:43:33 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
They probably figured that gay threads get heated, crevo thread get heated, and a gay/crevo thread would therefore cause total meltdown.

Some day when you're in a mood to really cause trouble, you might post a "Libertarian Evolutionist Mormon Claims Robert E. Lee was Gay" thread.

915 posted on 08/16/2003 11:58:36 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Some day when you're in a mood to really cause trouble, you might post a "Libertarian Evolutionist Mormon Claims Robert E. Lee was Gay" thread.

That's a keeper!

916 posted on 08/16/2003 4:09:31 PM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance never settles a question. -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: balrog666
You can use it on the day you want to get yourself banned. I guarantee they'll remember you.
917 posted on 08/16/2003 4:50:19 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
You can use it on the day you want to get yourself banned. I guarantee they'll remember you.

Amen, Brother!!!

Dang!!! That there Evilutionist is gettin' AWAY!!!


918 posted on 08/16/2003 6:12:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: All

WHAT!?

No comment about YOUR RIGHTS???


Oh... did I mention that...
 
your Constitutional rights to be secure in your own home is GONE with this 'law' !?!?
 

Sec. 668b. - Enforcement provisions

(a) Arrest; search; issuance and execution of warrants and process

Any employee of the Department of the Interior authorized by the Secretary of the Interior to enforce the provisions of this subchapter may, without warrant, arrest any person committing in his presence or view a violation of this subchapter or of any permit or regulations issued hereunder and take such person immediately for examination or trial before an officer or court of competent jurisdiction; may execute any warrant or other process issued by an officer or court of competent jurisdiction for the enforcement of the provisions of this subchapter; and may, with or without a warrant, as authorized by law, search any place. The Secretary of the Interior is authorized to enter into cooperative agreements with State fish and wildlife agencies or other appropriate State authorities to facilitate enforcement of this subchapter, and by said agreements to delegate such enforcement authority to State law enforcement personnel as he deems appropriate for effective enforcement of this subchapter. Any judge of any court established under the laws of the United States, and any United States magistrate judge may, within his respective jurisdiction, upon proper oath or affirmation showing probable cause, issue warrants in all such cases.

(b) Forfeiture

All bald or golden eagles, or parts, nests, or eggs thereof, taken, possessed, sold, purchased, bartered, offered for sale, purchase, or barter, transported, exported, or imported contrary to the provisions of this subchapter, or of any permit or regulation issued hereunder, and all guns, traps, nets, and other equipment, vessels, vehicles, aircraft, and other means of transportation used to aid in the taking, possessing, selling, purchasing, bartering, offering for sale, purchase, or barter, transporting, exporting, or importing of any bird, or part, nest, or egg thereof, in violation of this subchapter or of any permit or regulation issued hereunder shall be subject to forfeiture to the United States.


919 posted on 08/16/2003 6:14:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Virginia-American; RadioAstronomer; js1138
I was misremembering; it was letter (Oct 2002) about the spokes on Venus, not the canals on Mars, actually being the veins in the retina.

The image of using a large tlelscope as an ophthalmoscope is what stuck in may mind.

920 posted on 08/16/2003 6:55:01 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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