Immigrant-rights group intensifies fight against civilian patrols on border

Associated Press via the Arizona Daily Star ^ | 8/12/03

[Tancredo Fan]

Updated 5:54 pm Aug 12, 2003

Immigrant-rights group intensifies fight against civilian patrols on border

The Associated Press

PHOENIX - An advocacy group wants to file a lawsuit on behalf of migrants who say they were victimized by armed civilian groups patrolling the border, and is seeking victims willing to serve as plaintiffs.

The Border Action Network claims the groups operate outside the law and violate the rights of immigrants. They hope to pressure authorities to intervene.

The self-appointed border patrol groups deny they are breaking the law, and said they pass along to authorities information that volunteers collect about illegal border-crossers.

Volunteers for the Border Action Network are stretching their search for alleged victims along the entire border and as far south as the Mexican state of Chiapas. The advocates began asking victims to come forward earlier this year through ads and radio spots in Sonora, Mexico.

Once alleged victims come forward, attorneys plan to sue the people or groups accused of assaulting, robbing, intimidating or illegally detaining border-crossers.

"The purpose of the suit is to get at their pocketbook," said Jesus Romo, a civil rights attorney in Tucson. "Our purpose is to bankrupt these individuals so that they stop their actions."

No lawsuits have been filed thus far.

Border Action Network plans to continue using radio spots and newspaper ads to find plaintiffs, particularly focusing in areas where migrants originate.

Finding plaintiffs for civil lawsuits also could make it easier for prosecutors and other officials to open investigations into the activities of civilian patrol groups, said Zoe Hammer-Tomizuka, a Border Action Network volunteer.

Glenn Spencer, president of American Border Patrol, an organization based in Sierra Vista that monitors illegal border-crossers, says his group operates lawfully and does not interfere with migrants.

Still, he said he's concerned about groups that plan to file lawsuits. "Things are getting a little hairy," he said. "They're heightening feelings on both sides of the border. They are trying to rabble-rouse."

Another group that has patrolled the Arizona-Mexico border was sued in Texas over two incidents of alleged abuse against detained migrants.

A lawsuit filed in May accuses Ranch Rescue and others of assaulting, falsely imprisoning and robbing six people during two incidents in March in rural south Texas.

The Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund in Los Angeles joined in filing the lawsuit. The Southern Poverty Law Center monitors the political movements of groups from white supremacist groups to eco-terrorists.

[Tancredo Fan]

Pox on the tripe who dare to interfere with citizens trying to do the job the government won't

[Tancredo Fan]

An outraged PING!

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[joesnuffy]

why dont they sue the border patrol for not letting them in ...
oh thats right they dont have to sue them for that....
Of course if they go shopping for the right judge...they may have a case

[rageaholic]

What's next? Demanding to remove the security guards at convience stores, because its impeding on their "right" to shoplift?

[King Prout]

I suppose these "civil rights"/"immigrants' rights" agitators don't really care how this sort of litigation can and almost certainly will produce a fatal shift in citizen-militia border patrol policy.

The dead, after all, do not sue.

I am sure the mitias in question would prefer to avoid this.
I would lke to think the illegals themselves would like to avoid this.
However, it looks like the advocacy groups couldn't care less.

[King Prout]

*sigh*
mitias ==> MILITIAS

[Hacksaw]

Why is this group referred to as "immigrants rights" when they are advocates for illegal immigrants?

[King Prout]

how's your blood pressure PING!

[King Prout]

that IS the question, isn't it?
One of many, at least.

[Tancredo Fan]

Why is this group referred to as "immigrants rights" when they are advocates for illegal immigrants?

These left wing crackpots are getting desperate. They know California is about to come apart at the seams now that Prop. 187 is in the news again, and it doesn't bode well for them, the invading hordes, or the useless federal government that has refused to do the job of securing the borders. These people at BAN are despicable..... but what should folks expect from the Ford Foundation and from barnacles like Morris 'Sleaze' Dees?

[lizma]

Constitutionally what "rights" do illegal immigrants have?

I know the rats would say the same as ours. But is there a judicial precedence that defines their "rights"?

[BiffWondercat]

I think that there are no longer "illegal immigrants" but "undocumented workers". They now seem to have the magical ability to make problems go away by changing the words around.

I tried to move to Mexico, but they caught me the first time and told me in no uncertain terms that I would face years of imprisonment if I tried it again. We need to study their border/law enforcement techniques since so few Americans seem to be willing to sneak into Mexico, except the criminals who have little to lose....

[King Prout]

I do not have the constitution on me here, but there is an amendment (14th?) the wording of which is the source of all evil. "...shall deprive no person..." instead of "citizen"

[philetus]

Border Action Network


BAN@borderaction.org

PO Box 384 Tucson, Arizona 85702
520-623-4944 FAX: 520-792-2097

[MarkL]

Cool!!!! As soon as someone comes forward as "a victim," slap cuff on them, and send them south of the border!

Mark

[oldtimer]

NO kidding. Libs looking for more votes for rats.

Kalifornistan is gone (only a million illegals in LA), and now the rats are looking to take over Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

Voting places?

[1ofmanyfree]

Pox on the tripe who dare to interfere with citizens
trying to do the job the government won't

I think it's high time we went after these groups who are openly assisting the illegal entry into the US. Aren't they guilty of aiding and abetting in the commission of a crime by putting food and water out expressly for border jumpers and maybe terrorists? Now we hear some group wants to provide busses to drive around known crossing areas to give the poor, tired, hot and thirsty illegals a free lift. I am all for drawing a line in the sand here and now. How do we FORCE the US attny general to prosecute these organized traitors under the Rico Act statutes since the openly admit to aiding and assisting in an organized group or groups with the express purpose of breaking federal law? Or is there no controlling legal authority in this case?

Seriously, isn’t there some way for our border patriots to force the law to go after these traitors? If there is a way... it may require FReep support. Certainly a worthy cause, IMHO!

1ofmanyFRee

[PRND21]

Pox on the tripe who dare to interfere with citizens trying to do the job the government won't

I'm not suprised to see your support of lawbreakers, hypocrite.

Which part of ILLEGAL don't you understand?

[PRND21]

These left wing crackpots are getting desperate.

So are the right wing ones.

[F.J. Mitchell]

The scofflaws from the land of the lawless, are using the laws of the land of the lawabiding against those who will resist the outlaw invaders, assisted by traitorous law organizations.

[StopGlobalWhining]

This could all be settled peacefully and legally if the federal government fulfilled their Constitutionally delegated authority to protect our borders.

If the federal government continues to ignore their responsibilities, it would be irresponsible for citizens not to step in and and take it into their own hands.

After all, the federal officials are supposed to work for us. We pay their salaries to do a specific job. If they fail to do so, then just as Reagan fired the air traffic controllers, we need to fire the people in Congress and their drones in the border patrol who fail to enforce the law.

It's up to the management then to do the job until we fill the positions with people who will do the job they are hired to do. And we are the management.

[NewRomeTacitus]

Like the 9th Circuit deporting the Guatemalan fellow who grew up here while crying about how it wasn't them, it was the heartlessly cruel American laws. They sacrificed him for their cause.

The Ford Foundation and the illegal immigration attorneys would sacrifice as many as it takes. I'd say they were no better than the Communists but there's too much overlap.

[PatrioticAmerican]

Let them sue.

[Tancredo Fan]

If the federal government continues to ignore their responsibilities, it would be irresponsible for citizens not to step in and and take it into their own hands.

They've been derelict for years. Nobody expected it to continue after that creep Clinton left office, and especially after September 11, 2001......yet it has. It appears that the time for them to do their jobs has expired as far as many angry citizens are concerned.

[King Prout]

valid points.

[BudgieRamone]

That's a distinct possibility.....S3 could become the rule.

[supercat]

Like the 9th Circuit deporting the Guatemalan fellow who grew up here while crying about how it wasn't them, it was the heartlessly cruel American laws. They sacrificed him for their cause.

Precisely. The government actively seeks to punish those who seek to obey the law (or bring themselves into compliance) while ignoring or rewarding those who openly flout it.

BTW, wouldn't that guy have been in the U.S. during at least one amnesty?

[judgeandjury]

I see that PRND21, Free Republic's resident illegal immigration cheerleader, has showed up once again on an illegal immigration thread to badmouth those who dare speak out in favor of securing our border with Mexico.

[supercat]

You seem to always show up at the illegal alien threads as a supporter of the wet backs. Why is that? I mean besides hating whites and wantng to see the country turn into a third world s**t hole.

One question I've never seen anyone answer is why illegal aliens should be treated better than legal immigration applicants?

[supercat]

You seem to always show up at the illegal alien threads as a supporter of the wet backs. Why is that? I mean besides hating whites and wantng to see the country turn into a third world s**t hole.

One question I've never seen anyone answer is why illegal aliens should be treated better than legal immigration applicants?

[I_Love_My_Husband]

I'm willing to bet that Border Action Network gets tons of government funding non-profit style...

We need to find where they get their funding.

Follow the MONEY everyone.

[PRND21]

You seem to always show up at the illegal alien threads as a supporter of the wet backs.

Wrong. Got anymore baseless accusations?

[NewRomeTacitus]

"The scofflaws from the land of the lawless, are using the laws of the land of the law-abiding against those who will resist the outlaw invaders, assisted by traitorous law organizations."

Too true. How about, instead of violence, dragging these traitors into the harsh light of exposure by following the money? That would put a clamp on corruption simultaneously.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

Found it!!

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/Border-Action-Network.html

This group is suspected of being closely tied to left-wing radical Morris Dees and his Southern Poverty Law Center, 'Mexican government agent' - vehement reconquista Isabel Garcia and her Aztlan gang, 'Derechos Humanos', and other anti-American groups.
According to this Indymedia website, The Border Action Network formed in 1999 under the name South West Alliance to Resist Militarization to fight the human and environmental injustices caused by the militarization of the U.S.-Mexico border. In recognition of the broad and complex impacts of militarization, we are an alliance of border rights, environmental, social justice, human rights, and labor activists. Border Action Network is dedicated to exposing and ending the militarization of our borders and cities. We also understand that this group is big in anti-war and anti-WTO protests, etc., which may have involved violence or terrorism in the past.

[Tancredo Fan]

Try not to step in any troll droppings.... it stinks, and sometimes it's hard to get off the shoes.

[Jeff Gordon]

Illegal Aliens Immigrant-rights group intensifies fight against civilian patrols on border.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

To everyone except the thread pests:

IGNORE the thread pest. NEVER respond to him/them. He only wants to start fights and get people banned.

Remember one of our own, in fact SEVERAL of our own are not on these threads because of FEAR and INTIMIDATION from the thread pests. DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM. DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM!!! Several of our friends are banned because of this. DO NOT RESPOND TO THE THREAD PESTS!!! DO NOT LET THEM GET YOU IN ARGUMENTS! They want to get you banned!

Other than that have a nice day.

[NewRomeTacitus]

The Reagan amnesty was in 1986. That would put the Guatemalan kid at around five or six years old.

The Gipper screwed that pooch but good. Water under the bridge (and 13 million across the river).

[novacation]

Why Americans don't hold the governments feet to the fire on that issue is a sign that the country is sure to go down the tubes under the weight of the invasion. Why the ILLEGAL ALIENS get better treatment is a mystery.It could be an effort to create anarchy.Once a society breaks down it is easier for a scoundrel to take away liberties and take control.It's maddening to see all that our ancestors fought and died for being given to people who look to the US to see how much they can get for free. Sickening

[mrustow]

Why is this group referred to as "immigrants rights" when they are advocates for illegal immigrants?

Because the AP is itself an advocate for illegal immigrants. All those reporters and editors have illegal nannies, don'tcha know. Can't have Ivy Leaguers soiling their hands, changing doo-doo diapers now, can we?

[novacation]

Thanks for the advice.Little pricks do get me too upset.

[MissAmericanPie]

There is Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution that the legislative branch seems to have forgotten:

"To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

Websters Dictionary
invasion: an invading;specif. (a) an entering or being entered by an attacking military force (b) an intruding upon others (c) the onset of a disease.

invade: (1) to enter forcibly, as to conquer (2) to crowd into, throng. (3) to intrude upon, violate. (4) to spread through with harmful effects.

It would seem our Federal government is intent on wiping out any trace of the conservative decendents of the American Revolution and replacing them with easily led, and easily controlled, uneducated, third world, marxist, worker bees. There can be no denying it to oneself any longer.

[King Prout]

no argument from me, Ma'am.
a quick look at Roman history makes this "undocumented worker" stuff evidently a bad idea.
see: laeti and the provinces, defense in depth, numismatics, economy, travel, commerce, language, @300-450 AD

[King Prout]

I *hope* it shall not come to that.
I *pray* we will not *need* to resort to that.

[Cultural Jihad]

S3 could become the rule.

S3? What's that?

[Imagine]

(COPY AND DISTRIBUTE WIDELY: start a movement, print a petition, start a political party, confront your legislators, write letters, post posters, drop leaflets, demand, demand, demand.)

18 POINT ACTION PLAN: Border Violators

1) Close all US borders to illegal entry forthwith by any and all means possible, including military presence.

2) Maintain legitimate immigration levels at modest annual level with requirements that immigrants be employable or sufficiently wealthy for self-support if they do not intend to work, proficient in basic English and willing to be assimilated into American culture and language. All applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples.

3) Legal immigration shall be awarded to individuals on a lottery basis, wherein all countries are given equal status in the immigration lottery, without regards to color or economic plight of originating nation.

4) Individuals of Islamic faith (muslims) from any country shall be denied immigration privileges or entry into the US. Christians and Jews from muslim countries fleeing religious persecution shall receive accelerated immigration privileges.

5) Detain all border violators, taking photos, prints and DNA samples of said violator while at the same time, checking for out standing warrants. If no warrants are outstanding, return border violators to home country within 20 days via commercial airline and submit cost of such action, including processing and housing costs for said violator, to country of origin. If costs are not paid within 30 days, reduce any and all aid to said country by a like amount.

6) Should any country from which a border violator originates not currently receive any aid from the US, the Justice Department shall be authorized to seize or secure liens on assets owned, managed or registered to that country to the full extent of the obligation.

7) Establish new Guest Worker Visa (GWV) category, renewable every 6 months, for unskilled labor positions wherein all applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples. Work permitted of such applicants shall be limited to one of several categories, including childcare, lawn/gardening, restaurant staff, cleaning and the like. Families of GWV workers are not permitted to enter US, nor will the birth of a child to one of GWV status confer citizenship to either parent or child.

8) Any violation of civil or criminal laws shall result in the forfeiture of the GWV and immediate return to originating country.

9) GWV holders shall be prohibited from claiming unemployment benefits, welfare support or free medical service.

10) The originating country of all GWV holders shall be responsible for any uninsured loss caused by the GWV, including emergency medical claims and/or claims resulting from illegal actions committed while in the US.

11) Companies who hire GWV holders shall submit to the Immigration Dept the name and GWV number of that individual, along with a description of employment tasks. Companies shall be subject to fines and penalty that fail to report employment of GWV workers, or hire border violators. GWV workers shall be paid with check, having income tax withheld. GWV workers shall not be subject to unemployment tax because they are not eligible to receive unemployment compensation.

12) Border violators, or any non-citizen not possessing a valid visa, detained by local police for any reason shall be turned over to border control officials for immediate deportation action, except if they face criminal charges in other jurisdictions.

13) GWV workers shall be prohibited for voting in local, state and federal elections.

14) Border Violators shall NOT be afforded the rights enjoyed by American citizens, as guaranteed under the constitution.

15) Public education (at institutions supported by taxpayer dollars) at any level (pre-school, kindergarten through the university level,) shall NOT be available to Border Violators (or children of Border Violators) and schools that enroll such individuals shall be subject to penalties.

16) Foreign Students (F/S) (individuals admitted to the U.S. for the purpose of attending any educational facility,) private institution or public (i.e. supported by taxpayer dollars,) must have valid student visas, such visas being in force only if the F/S attends school full-time. F/S shall be required to pay tuition, housing and related costs such that all their educational costs are fully reimbursed to the institution attended. The originating country shall pay for any and all loss caused by students while on U.S. soil.

17) Border Violators seeking emergency medical treatment shall provide pictures, fingerprints and DNA samples along with country of origin, and shall be treated, then incarcerated until information provided can be verified. Originating country shall bear the costs of medical treatment and confinement.

18) Children born in the U.S. to border violators, illegal aliens or of foreign nationals in the U.S. for any reason (including temporary visitor, school or work visas,) shall not be eligible for citizenship as circumstances of birth, nor shall the parents or parent’s family members (relatives) be conferred U.S. citizenship as a result of such births.

[MadeInOhio]

Most Americans don't appreciate where this is taking us.

A generation from now, unrestricted immigration will do what Bobby Lee and Jeff Davis couldn't -- cut some stars out of Old Glory.

The federal policy of winking and ignoring the present Mexican invasion would have been incomprehensible to prior generations of American leadership. Based on present trends and the ideology of those championing said trends, I predict America will be forced to cede or fight to retain the Southwest by 2050.

[King Prout]

something very disturbingly similar in nature to lynching.
I wish folks would not speak of it so glibly, as if it was either innocuous or at the moment the only (or even a viable) option. I can understand their frustration - Hell: I share it. But vigilante homicide is seldom a good idea, and never one to be bandied about blithely.