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Study Reveals AIDS Virus Ravaging NC College Campuses
American Family Association ^ | August 12, 2003 | Jim Brown

Posted on 08/12/2003 9:17:08 PM PDT by scripter

(AgapePress) - Researchers are warning of an HIV outbreak on college campuses in North Carolina.

A study conducted by the University of North Carolina and the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services indicates that up to 60 college students in the state may have become infected with the virus that causes AIDS. The study found that 25 male college students in a three-county region of North Carolina have been diagnosed with HIV since 2001, and nearly 90% of those students were black men whose infections resulted from homosexual sex.

Lead researcher Dr. Lisa Hightow, a fellow in infectious diseases at the UNC School of Medicine, says half of all new HIV infections occur in young people.

"We feel that this is a wakeup call to the fact that HIV is still being actively transmitted and that it's involving our young people in our state. We feel that this is certainly statewide, but not necessarily limited to the state," she says.

According to Hightow, up until this year, no reports on HIV infection rates at colleges had been published. The researcher says she and her colleagues are consulting with experts from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and have been working to improve prevention efforts.

"We alerted all the key health department personnel as well as all the campuses, and have started to expand our counseling and testing activities on the campuses," Hightow says. "Many of the colleges and universities that we have been working with have begun to increase student awareness of HIV."

Hightow notes that many of the students in North Carolina who were recently infected with HIV had used the drug Ecstasy and met their homosexual partners over the Internet.

At the beginning of last year, the CDC reported approximately 362,827 persons in the United States living with AIDS. Of these, 42% were whites, 37% were blacks, 20% were Hispanics, less than 1% were Asians and Pacific Islanders, and less than 1% were American Indians and Alaskan Natives. Of the 282,250 men (13 years or older) living with AIDS, 57% were men who had homosexual sex, 24% were intravenous drug users, and 9% were exposed through heterosexual contact. Of the 76,696 adult and adolescent women with AIDS, 59% were exposed through heterosexual contact and 38% were exposed through intravenous drug use. And according to the CDC, at the end of 2001 there were 3,817 children living with AIDS in America.*


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1 posted on 08/12/2003 9:17:08 PM PDT by scripter
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; GrandMoM; backhoe; pram; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; ...
Lead researcher Dr. Lisa Hightow, a fellow in infectious diseases at the UNC School of Medicine, says half of all new HIV infections occur in young people.

Perhaps we should have started educating kids about this a long time ago...

2 posted on 08/12/2003 9:20:36 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: scripter
...nearly 90% of those students were black men whose infections resulted from homosexual sex.

Perhaps this wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have so many positive gay role models.

3 posted on 08/12/2003 9:22:18 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: scripter
The study found that 25 male college students in a three-county region of North Carolina have been diagnosed with HIV since 2001, and nearly 90% of those students were black men whose infections resulted from homosexual sex.

LVM

4 posted on 08/12/2003 9:28:58 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Those that live by the sword get shot by those that don't.)
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To: scripter
But are CO² emissions being reduced? That's what really counts ya know.
5 posted on 08/12/2003 9:32:04 PM PDT by Waco
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To: scripter
Perhaps this wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have so many positive gay role models.

Baloney! Aids has been a problem for years - are you dense? A role model does not cause Aids.

Every person knows about Aids by now. Whether there are gays in the public eye or not does not change a thing.

Looking for someone to blame are you?

6 posted on 08/12/2003 9:32:18 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: scripter
Unless North Carolina only has about 150 college students, I think "ravaging" is a bit strong a term.
7 posted on 08/12/2003 9:32:49 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: scripter
90% were black MEN. I wonder what of the remaining percent were also MEN. That would put the percentage of infection based on male to male sex above 90%.

At the beginning of last year, the CDC reported approximately 362,827 persons in the United States living with AIDS. Of these, 42% were whites, 37% were blacks, 20% were Hispanics, less than 1% were Asians and Pacific Islanders, and less than 1% were American Indians and Alaskan Natives. Of the 282,250 men (13 years or older) living with AIDS, 57% were men who had homosexual sex, 24% were intravenous drug users, and 9% were exposed through heterosexual contact. Of the 76,696 adult and adolescent women with AIDS, 59% were exposed through heterosexual contact and 38% were exposed through intravenous drug use. And according to the CDC, at the end of 2001 there were 3,817 children living with AIDS in America.*

Also, note that in the national stats very few men are exposed heterosexually, but that far more women are. This is testimony to the fact that men deposit a blood product, semen, with the women, and that male exposure to a blood product in women is not impossible, but rare. (Hetero sex during menstruation?)

The high percentages of infection via intravenous drug use compared with the intense micro-study of NC students, suggests that many of the IV claimants were actually infected via male on male sex but were afraid to admit the same.

There is little follow-up in these self-reports, and generally, the word of the patient is accepted.

8 posted on 08/12/2003 9:33:12 PM PDT by xzins
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To: ClancyJ
Every person knows about Aids by now.

Especially gays. Yet they continue to spread it. And the rest of us continue to pay to clean up after them.

Who is responsible for this modern-day plague? Gays. No need to get snippy about it. The truth stands on its own.

9 posted on 08/12/2003 9:36:37 PM PDT by Kevin Curry (Put Justice Janice Rogers Brown on the Supreme Court--NOW)
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To: ClancyJ
A role model does not cause Aids.

A straw man is easier to knock down, isn't it.

From Will Bishop-elect Robinson and his male lover be tested for HIV-AIDS?:

In our effort to remove the stigma of having AIDS, have we created a culture of disease? We all see the ads for HIV drugs. They illustrate hot muscular men living life to the fullest thanks to modern science. Other ads show couples holding hands, sending the message that the road to true love and happiness is being HIV positive.
Positive role models have to accept some of the blame for the current situation.
10 posted on 08/12/2003 9:40:12 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: Kevin Curry
Yes and we are supposed to march with them and demand that govt fund a cure. They have a right to practice sodomy and not worry about getting sick.

Meanwhile I'll eventually get cancer or alzheimers and wonder if I did anything in my life to encourage the disease.

11 posted on 08/12/2003 9:42:12 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: scripter
I hope that this study didn't cost a lot of tax payers $'s, or that it will cost us a lot of tax $'s.

Duh most of the HIV case came after homosexual sex.

We have known about the Darwin effect in the Gay population for over two decades now.
13 posted on 08/12/2003 10:48:53 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Gray Davis = Bill Clinton without the conscience + Al Gore without the charm = Total Recall Time!)
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To: princesssof2003
gays are walking health hazards far worse than smokersp> Now that there's a gay bishop we can remove the stigma surrounding HIV and AIDS. I don't blame homosexual sex, I think AIDS is being spread by a vast right wing conspiracy.
They show up at gay bars disguised as gay, they do the limp wrist thing and everything. Everyone in the gay community know that George Bush has developed AIDS in a powder form that is slipped into the drinks of unsuspecting gay men when they are dancing and making out with other men (Not that there's anything wrong with it).
Allot of people don't believe it but I happen to KNOW it's true.

I heard about it in band camp

14 posted on 08/12/2003 10:58:29 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: Kevin Curry
Sorry - gays are not the only ones spreading this disease. There are many heterosexuals who have it, who spread it, there are many children.

Once something like this gets going - it creeps into every part of society. That is why my statement.

I'm not being snippy. Aids is more than a "gay" problem and to think otherwise is to deny that non-gays can get infected and spread the disease.

It is a horrible disease and needs to be stopped. Complaining about gays and blaming gays and thinking that any Aids effort is to help gays is ridiculous.
15 posted on 08/12/2003 11:10:51 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: ClancyJ
You, sir, are extremely ill-informed. You would be wise to read up on the incidence and causes of AIDS transmission before you expose your ignorance any further. You are only making yourself look foolish. Everyone who reads and comments on these topics is well-informed and sees your transparent lack of knowledge. Please, read before you reveal your complete lack of grasp of the topic.

P.S. If AIDS was spreading equally among normal people, then I would think maybe you are right. But since mostly homosexuals have it and spread it, (because anal sex is an excellent way to spread it, and because homosexuals are wildly promiscuous compared to the vast majority of heterosexuals), therefore you are wrong.
16 posted on 08/13/2003 12:27:43 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
Don't tell me I don't know anything about Aids.

You are the ignorant one. Why do you think doctors and nurses wear masks, gloves? How do you think children get it? Why do we now have biohazard containers for all needles? Aids is spread by bodily fluids and is contagious from ANY ONE that has it - no matter their sexual persuasion. True it is more common in the gay community but an infected person can spread it to anyone that comes in contact with their blood or bodily fluids through a cut. This means that contact sports are more dangerous the more people have HIV. Young people are more at risk due to the sexual freedom with more and more partners.

You prefer to hate gays rather than dealing with the problem. Hate gays all you want if it makes you feel better. I'm sure they can take it. After all they have plenty of experience with life's short changes and hatreds.

I prefer to find cures, and protections because entrusting the safety of my family to the ability of all people to act safely does not appeal to me.



17 posted on 08/13/2003 12:50:54 AM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: xzins
9% were exposed through heterosexual contact

And I'll lay good odds that most of these 9% were lying.

AIDS (more correctly called GRIDS) is caused by homosexual behavior, or by associating with 'homosexuals' (as they are the reservoir of the disease)

18 posted on 08/13/2003 6:26:40 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: ClancyJ
It is a horrible disease and needs to be stopped. Complaining about gays and blaming gays and thinking that any Aids effort is to help gays is ridiculous.

GRIDS is a horrible disease. The cure for it is to stop homosexual behavior and let the reservoir die out.

GRIDS consumes a far greater share of medical research dollars than it deserves. Dollars that should go to serious disease threats such as heart disease and cancer. Cure the things that are not self-inflicted and that will help the most people.

Since GRIDS is primarily a 'gay' disease seeking the cure only helps 'gays', not normal people. Since they infected themselves voluntarily, they should deal with the problem themselves

19 posted on 08/13/2003 6:32:03 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: ClancyJ
Aids is spread by bodily fluids and is contagious from ANY ONE that has it - no matter their sexual persuasion. True it is more common in the gay community but an infected person can spread it to anyone that comes in contact with their blood or bodily fluids through a cut. This means that contact sports are more dangerous the more people have HIV. Young people are more at risk due to the sexual freedom with more and more partners.

You prefer to hate gays rather than dealing with the problem. Hate gays all you want if it makes you feel better. I'm sure they can take it. After all they have plenty of experience with life's short changes and hatreds.

Proof that the answer is to shun and quarentine 'gays' until the disease dies out. The we need to return to traditional values and sexual mores. That is, stay virginal until you get married and don't practice homosexual behavior.

GRIDS is a self curing problem if we isolate the bad actors.

BTW, I don't hate gays. I hate what they do and I hate how they refuse to see truth. I do pray for them to be saved and changed and healed, however, if they refuse to repent and be changed then it is far better for us all if they die before they drag others into the cesspool of homosexuality (and then to hell) with them.

20 posted on 08/13/2003 6:37:05 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: ClancyJ
If you had read the article, you would know.....At UNC, black gays are the problem. No rationalization. Gay men are the problem.
21 posted on 08/13/2003 6:47:59 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: xzins
Of the 282,250 men (13 years or older) living with AIDS, 57% were men who had homosexual sex, 24% were intravenous drug users, and 9% [have claimed that they] were exposed through heterosexual contact.

Of the 76,696 adult and adolescent women with AIDS, 59% [have claimed that they] were exposed through heterosexual contact [such as repeated unprotected anal sex with IV drug users] and 38% were exposed through intravenous drug use.

22 posted on 08/13/2003 7:15:11 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: scripter
Perhaps this wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have so many positive gay role models.

Lincoln-Mercury recently signed Magic Johnson as their representative/spokesman.

23 posted on 08/13/2003 7:17:30 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: ClancyJ
Your statement:

Sorry - gays are not the only ones spreading this disease.

From the article:

...and nearly 90% of those students were black men whose infections resulted from homosexual sex.

These two are not in contradiction. The article does not say "gays" are the only ones spreading the disease.

What is does say is that a group who is 2% of the population is responsible for nearly 90% of the new infections. So the proper statement would be that in this case, homosexuals account for nearly all the spread of the disease.

Instead of "positive gay role models" we need realistic homosexual role models - people who callously engage in behavior that kills them and their friends while expecting others to pay for it.

24 posted on 08/13/2003 7:32:21 AM PDT by jimt
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To: scripter
The colleges have turned into orgy palaces. I'm surprised the disease factor is not spreading faster.
25 posted on 08/13/2003 7:36:44 AM PDT by jetson
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To: jetson
The colleges have turned into orgy palaces. I'm surprised the disease factor is not spreading faster.

I suspect this but do you have another source?

26 posted on 08/13/2003 7:38:11 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: ClancyJ
I believe it is impossible to present a "positive immage" to a lifestyle that most consider to be an unnatural perversion --- whose practitioners flaunt their obsession with perverted and uncontrolled sex, and demand that we consider them as "normal"..

They are not - and I wiil not consider them normal...

Nor, will I become concerned about their AIDS related death rate until they show some alarm and responsibility for it themselves -- and behave accordingly.. I think we already focus too much attention and tax dollars on AIDS, with a resulting negative impact on illnesses that kill far more INNOCENT citizens.

The ONLY Aids victims deserving of sympathy - are those infected innocently or by actions by others....

Aids is the ultimate proof that IRRESPONSIBLE actions have deadly consequences. Semper Fi

27 posted on 08/13/2003 7:39:08 AM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: pram
Don't call people ignorant about subject matters you clearly don't understand. Their are different strains of the virus in different geographical/demographical locations in the world.

From:http://www.avert.org/hivtypes.htm What is the difference between HIV-1 and HIV-2?

There are currently two types of HIV: HIV-1 and HIV-2. Worldwide, the predominant virus is HIV-1, and generally when people refer to HIV without specifying the type of virus they will be referring to HIV-1. Both HIV-1 and HIV-2 are transmitted by sexual contact, through blood, and from mother to child, and they appear to cause clinically indistinguishable AIDS.

However, HIV-2 is less easily transmitted, and the period between initial infection and illness is longer in the case of HIV-2.

How many subtypes of HIV-1 are there?

HIV-1 is a highly variable virus which mutates very readily. So there are many different strains of HIV-1. These strains can be classified according to groups and subtypes and there are two groups, group M and group O.

In September 1998, French researchers announced that they had found a new strain of HIV in a woman from Cameroon in West Africa. The strain does not belong to either group M or group O, and has only been found in three other people, all in the Cameroon.

Within group M there are currently known to be at least 10 genetically distinct subtypes of HIV-1. These are subtypes A to J. In addition, Group O contains another distinct group of very heterogeneous viruses. The subtypes of group M may differ as much between subtypes as group M differs from group O.

Where are the different subtypes found?

The subtypes are very unevenly distributed throughout the world. For instance, subtype B is mostly found in the Americas, Japan, Australia, the Caribbean and Europe; subtypes A and D predominate in sub-Saharan Africa; subtype C in South Africa and India; and subtype E in Central African Republic, Thailand and other countries of southeast Asia. Subtypes F (Brazil and Romania), G and H (Russia and Central Africa), I (Cyprus), and group O (Cameroon) are of very low prevalence. In Africa, most subtypes are found, although subtype B is less prevalent.

What are the major differences between these subtypes?

The major difference is their genetic composition; biological differences observed in vitro and/or in vivo may reflect this.

It has also been suggested that certain subtypes may be predominantly associated with specific modes of transmission: for example, subtype B with homosexual contact and intravenous drug use (essentially via blood) and subtypes E and C, with heterosexual transmission (via a mucosal route).

Laboratory studies undertaken by Dr Max Essex of the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston have demonstrated that subtypes C and E infect and replicate more efficiently than subtype B in Langerhans cells which are present in the vaginal mucosa, cervix and the foreskin of the penis but not on the wall of the rectum. These data suggest that HIV subtypes E and C may have a higher potential for heterosexual transmission than subtype B.

However, caution should be exercised in applying in vitro-studies to real-life situations. Other variables which affect the risk of transmission, such as the stage of HIV disease, the frequency of exposure, condom use, and the presence of other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), must also be taken into consideration before any definite conclusions can be drawn.

Are some subtypes more infectious than others? >Some recent studies have suggested that subtype E spreads more easily than subtype B. In one study conducted in Thailand (Mastro et al., The Lancet, 22 January 1994), it was found that the transmission rate of subtype E among female commercial sex workers and their clients was higher than that for subtype B found among a general population in North America.

In a second study conducted in Thailand (Kunanusont, The Lancet, 29 April 1995), among 185 couples with one partner infected with HIV subtypes E or B, it was found that the probability of both partners in a couple becoming infected was higher for subtype E (69%) than for subtype B (48%). This suggests that subtype E may be more easily transmissible.

However, it is important to note that neither study was designed to fully control for multiple variables which may affect the risk of transmission.

Is subtype E a new subtype?

Subtype E is not new. Stored blood samples show that subtype E was already identified at the beginning of the epidemic in Central Africa and as early as 1989 in Thailand.

28 posted on 08/13/2003 7:39:25 AM PDT by Porterville ("They drew first blood, not me.")
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To: biblewonk
just what I hear from the youts I talk to at work.
29 posted on 08/13/2003 7:40:23 AM PDT by jetson
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To: Waco
"But are CO² emissions being reduced? That's what really counts ya know..."

Very, very close Grasshopper! It's the Global Warming that's causing it. If the temperatures were very cold outside, and not so hot, who would run around sticking their _ _ _ _ up someone else's _ _ _ _????


30 posted on 08/13/2003 7:45:34 AM PDT by TRY ONE (")
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To: jetson
just what I hear from the youts I talk to at work.

What schools? A friend says the sex talk at a very popular bar/club in town is pretty disgusting. It sounds like 3 ways and kinky things are pretty popular.

31 posted on 08/13/2003 7:47:13 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: ClancyJ; Kevin Curry
Sorry - gays are not the only ones spreading this disease.

That's a misrepresentation of what freeper Kevin Curry said. Here's some links on homosexuality and health issues you may find informative. Some of the links, such as links #2 and #9 document some gays actually seek out HIV and some seek to give it away.

  1. Kinsolving: "Will Bishop-elect Robinson and his male lover be tested for HIV-AIDS?"  FR 
  2. Acting Up  FR 
  3. U.S. sees HIV cases rise among gay, bisexual men  FR 
  4. Many HIV positive don't tell 
  5. Anal Sex Largest Cause of HIV in Africa  FR 
  6. Gay Men Meeting Online Contracting Syphilis Faster 
  7. Syphilis Cases On The Rise In Bay Area  FR 
  8. New Skin Infection Concerns Doctors, Activists  FR 
  9. Bug Chasers: The men who long to be HIV+  FR 
  10. Anal Cancer and YOU 
  11. Compassionate Society Should Discourage Deadly Homosexual Behavior 
  12. Anything But Gay: The Deadly and Dangerous Homosexual Lifestyle  FR 
  13. Desensitizing America, Part I: AIDS Sensitivity Training  FR 
  14. Homosexuals Demand Legalization of Sex With Strangers...  FR 
  15. Is This Gay Behavior Sick? 
  16. Just the Facts: AIDS & the Homosexual Lifestyle! 
  17. Modelling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men 
  18. Sharing Disease is Not a Civil Right 
  19. Sodomy: A Public Health Risk  FR 
  20. Syphilis in gay men raises AIDS concern 
  21. Syphilis outbreak among L.A. gay men in 2002 leads to... 
  22. The Many Myths of AIDS 
  23. The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: A Nine-Year Retrospective of Fear and (Mostly) Loathing  FR 
  24. The plague abettors 
  25. U.S. HIV and AIDS cases reported through December 2000 
  26. Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered A Disorder On The Basis Of Its Medical Consequences? 
  27. With Fears Fading, More Gays Spurn Old Preventive Message 
  28. World AIDS Day: Reflections on the Pandemic  FR 
  29. California to track HIV cases by code AIDS-delaying drugs mask disease's spread 
  30. SF doctors report "startling" increase of syphilis 
A real friend won't always tell you what you want to hear.
32 posted on 08/13/2003 8:00:38 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: Kevin Curry
To paraphrase Jesse Helms' statement in the Senate several years ago when the AIDS/homo lobby was pushing for more and more and MORE MONEY FOR aids RESEARCH:

WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM IF IT WERE NOT FOR A FILTHY LIFESTYLE.

Also obvious, but unstated in the study--many of these so-called homosexuals by act of God seem to be crossing over into hetersexuality, hence the high number of infected women.

vaudine
33 posted on 08/13/2003 8:16:37 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: scripter
Bump!



Choice4Truth

34 posted on 08/13/2003 8:28:02 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: ClancyJ
You prefer to hate gays rather than dealing with the problem. Hate gays all you want if it makes you feel better. I'm sure they can take it. After all they have plenty of experience with life's short changes and hatreds.

As far as other methods of transmission besides sexual, obviously needlesticks and being contaminted with bodily fluids from an AIDS patient are causes of serious concern. But how did the AIDS patient get AIDS? The vast majority got it through homosexual acts, directly or indirectly. So my point is that same sex acts - especially anal sex, of which homosexuals are notoriously fond, is the main method of transmission of AIDS. Homosexuality is actually a disordered condition, and people who identify with that disorder are not helped by society's acceptance and glorification of said disorder. Nor are influencable young people served well by having it rammed and crammed down their throats.

I do not hate homosexuals. I care about them, and I am sorry that the media and government are conspiring, due to their influence, to prevent the truth about same sex attraction and behavior from being publicly discussed.

35 posted on 08/13/2003 6:52:30 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: scripter
Hmmmm, a racist virus. Who whudda thunk it?
36 posted on 08/13/2003 6:58:15 PM PDT by handk
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To: Porterville
Thanks for the long copy'n'paste - despite different strains, the fact is that a huge number of people in Africa practice anal sex, and are promiscuous. If they didn't do those two things, it wouldn't matter what strain or strains were prevalent.

Very recently, there were several long threads about this topic on FR and much information was presented about the transmission of AIDS in Africa. Even if one strain is more transmissable or virulent than another, if it isn't injected into one's bodily cavities one doen't get it.

Apparently there has been success in curbing AIDS in Uganda because they have been education people about chastity and monogamy.
37 posted on 08/13/2003 6:59:02 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
Correction - they have been educating people...
38 posted on 08/13/2003 7:02:36 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: ClancyJ
Clancy....stats can be read anyway one wants too, but the bare naked truth is just about the surest way to get HIV is to have anal sex with someone who has it, or to use the same needle as someone who has it...

anal sex is an unnatural sexual act; the rectal area is not supposed to be assaulted like that day in and day out, and there is an ample supply of blood vessels there that can not take that abuse...(unlike the plain old vagina that also doubles as a birth canal)

I would just take a good guess that there are very few HIV cases truely transferred by wholely hetero partners who have no IV drug abuse in their past....

instead, I think we are seeing drug abuser couples getting the virus from shared needles, then passing it along that way....

39 posted on 08/13/2003 7:12:04 PM PDT by cherry
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To: river rat
I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. It is quite possible to present a positive image of the perverted lifestyle.

It begins when people stop calling the perverts perverts, deviants, sick, fudgepackers or some other negative term, and instead call them "gay", a word which used to mean "happily exicted", "merry", "keenly alive and exuberant", "brilliant in color", etc.

We are in the midst of a giant propaganda campaign to normalize sickness and perversion, and the word "gay" is at Ground Zero.

Just pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...
40 posted on 08/13/2003 7:20:00 PM PDT by the lone wolf (Good Luck, and watch out for stobor.)
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To: river rat
Everybody on this site should read "The Death of Right and Wrong" by Tammy Bruce. She is a confirmed and proud lesbian who has had the 'fortune' to be on the inside of both the radical gay and feminist elite circles, and is she p**sed about what they are doing to this country. It should be required reading for every parent and concerned adult in the nation. What she has to say is infuriating, saddening and dead on.
41 posted on 08/13/2003 7:31:24 PM PDT by redangus
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To: redangus
Everybody on this site should read "The Death of Right and Wrong" by Tammy Bruce.

While I haven't read her book it sounds like a great read. Here are some of Tammy's words from July 31:

Protect New York's Children from the Gay Elite

42 posted on 08/13/2003 7:47:41 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: scripter; Constitution Day; Howlin; mykdsmom
Study Reveals AIDS Virus Ravaging NC College Campuses

Figures

43 posted on 08/13/2003 7:53:43 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: cherry; river rat; pram
It does not matter how many get it from anal sex, gays, drug users or wherever. The facts are that the disease does spread by contact with bodily fluids.

This is the reason all dentists now wear protective masks, many surgeons wear extreme protective equipment during surgery.

My points are:

1. Gays are people too and are entitled to health care no matter how a disease is contracted. All the sexually transmitted diseases are treated - why an exception to Aids? (I don't need an answer please - I've heard enough of the "let em die" type answers).

2. Just wishing that people will change their behavior has never solved any problems because we live in a morally freer climate. How many out-of-wedlock babies are there? How many jails to hold criminals we were unable to convince to live a crime free life? How many treatment centers to try and cure drug and alcoholic addicts? Have we solved the drug problem? Why not?

People will make their own decisions about what they do. We have weak people, strong people, stupid people. You get the message - people are different.

3. Lastly - I know full well how a lot of Aids is spread - I am not an idiot. I also know full well that nurses have caught the disease from a pinprick in treating a patient. I know that a major sports figure had to retire from sports because he was HIV positive and was a danger to his teammates. I can name hundreds of instances of aids being caught by those not involved with anal sex or gay relationships.

4. The disease in our society will infect more and more of our young people, more and more "innocents", more and more heterosexuals.

All treatment professions have had to change procedures to insure protection of care givers because the disease can be transmitted when they treat a patient coming in contact with blood or bodily fluids. The fluid splashed into their eyes, mouth, or into a cut will cause the disease in them. Many patients do not even know they have the disease so these professions treat people as if all have the disease. An exposed male can unknowingly transmit the disease to his wife. His wife can transmit the disease to an unborn child. On and on.

So, we treat the disease in all patients in our society to prevent the spread throughout our whole society.

Now - call me ignorant but don't bother to try and teach me about this disease. Apparently I know a good deal more than many on here as they think this is only a problem among gays and if they choose to act foolishly, by dang, we are not going to pay for research to get rid of the disease. Meanwhile, their teenagers are exposed daily through sports, through our free sex society and the many sexual partners who might have somewhere come in contact with the disease and unknowingly be HIV positive.

Of course, we can teach our children not to get involved with sex until marriage, we can analyze the problem with the gay lifestyle and make them quit having sex, we can make HIV positive people remain celibate or only have sex with other HIV positive people, we can put in place tests for all citizens to quickly identify those who have become HIV positive and publicize the names of the positives so everyone will stay away from them.

Seems a little risky to me. Maybe we ought to spend our efforts in finding cures.
44 posted on 08/13/2003 10:54:40 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: scripter
Example of whats out there.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/GirlsGoneWildOnCampus-1116270/preview.php
45 posted on 08/14/2003 8:38:22 AM PDT by jetson
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To: ClancyJ; cherry; river rat; pram
Considering the stats, I think a Compassionate Society Should Discourage Deadly Homosexual Behavior

All the sexually transmitted diseases are treated - why an exception to Aids?

Please provide the post where one of the above folks you pinged said we should not find a cure or treat AIDS.

Just wishing that people will change their behavior has never solved any problems because we live in a morally freer climate.

Nobody is just wishing. Thousands have left the gay lifestyle or deathstyle depending on your perspective. Here's some links on where homosexuals can get help:

  1. Abiding Truth 
  2. Christians No Longer Gay Living For God 
  3. Choice 4 Truth 
  4. Courage 
  5. Help for Jewish Homosexuals That is Consistent with Torah Principles 
  6. Hope for Homosexuals 
  7. Portland Fellowship 
  8. It's Not Gay 
  9. JONAH 
  10. Matthew Manning 
  11. Narth 
  12. One By One 
  13. Sy Rogers 
  14. Transforming Congregations 
Perhaps if the results from the above organizations weren't squelched or were discussed by major media we wouldn't have the problem we have today.

Apparently I know a good deal more than many on here as they think this is only a problem among gays

Yet not a single post in this thread, or any thread I've read here has stated AIDS is only a problem among gays. You've repeated this false statement more than once and I've corrrected it more than once. The facts do state AIDS is predominate among gay males. Here's something you may find interesting: The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS

Seems a little risky to me. Maybe we ought to spend our efforts in finding cures.

Do you think we should spend a disproportionate about of money on AIDS research especially when the main cause of AIDS is preventable?

46 posted on 08/14/2003 9:18:19 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: the lone wolf
Agreed... I accept your criticism....and stand corrected.

Of course the perverts are attempting to cast a "smiley face" on their deviant behavior.....by insisting on the term "gay" in place of homosexual, pervert, deviant, etc.....

However, it remains impossible to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.....

Semper Fi
47 posted on 08/14/2003 12:58:40 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: redangus
I just finished reading both of Tammy Bruce's books and I concur with your review. This book is a frightening and frank appraisal of what the 'gay elite' plans for our children and this country.

MKM

48 posted on 08/14/2003 2:57:59 PM PDT by mykdsmom
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To: *Old_North_State; **North_Carolina; Constitution Day; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ...
NC Ping!
49 posted on 08/14/2003 2:59:48 PM PDT by mykdsmom
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To: ClancyJ
4. The disease in our society will infect more and more of our young people, more and more "innocents", more and more heterosexuals.

The bottom line is that homosexual anal sex and WILD promiscuity has spread AIDS, and those getting it from needle sticks and so would NEVER get it if it hadn't been for the homosexuals spreading it among themselves and then out into the rest of the population.

. Just wishing that people will change their behavior has never solved any problems because we live in a morally freer climate.

There's the solution. There needs to be a moral change of climate in this country. The "freer" morals you speak of are the source of most of the terrible problems we are facing, AIDS is not the worst of them. Wishing doesn't help, but accepting the serious moral decline as inevitable will make it worse. Action can and should be taken, and one of those actions is to NOT ACCEPT the homosexual movement's lies, but to tell the truth. Homosexuals are unhappy people who are killing themselves and now others, for instance those you mentioned in medical professions. Homosexuals can change, and until this truth is allowed to be broadcast, people are going to continue to get and give AIDS.

50 posted on 08/14/2003 4:20:33 PM PDT by First Amendment
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