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Is banning the Bible next?
Jerusalem Post ^ | Aug. 13, 2003 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/13/2003 5:44:16 AM PDT by yonif

If you live pretty much anywhere in the Western world these days, you'll notice a certain kind of news item cropping up with quiet regularity. The Irish Times had one last week.

As Liam Reid reported, the Irish Council for Civil Liberties has warned Catholic bishops that distributing the Vatican's latest statement on homosexuality could lead to prosecution under the 1989 Incitement to Hatred Act, and a six-month jail term.

"The document itself may not violate the Act, but if you were to use the document to say that gays are evil, it is likely to give rise to hatred, which is against the Act," says Aisling Reidy, director of the ICCL. "The wording is very strong and certainly goes against the spirit of the legislation."

No Irish bishop has actually called gays evil yet. But best to be on the safe side and shut down all debate.

From Dublin, let us zip 6,000 miles to Quesnel, a small paper-mill town in British Columbia. Chris Kempling is a high-school teacher and a Christian conservative and he likes writing letters to his local newspaper. In one of them he said that "homosexuality is not something to be applauded."

The regulatory body for his profession, the British Columbia College of Teachers, suspended him for a month without pay for "conduct unbecoming a member of the college."

No student, parent or fellow teacher at Correlieu Secondary School has ever complained about Mr. Kempling: he was punished by the BCCT for expressing an opinion in the paper. The British Columbia Civil Liberties Association supported the suspension, not because of anything he's done but because of what he might do in the future. He might discriminate against gay and lesbian students in the future. He hasn't done so yet, but, if we don't preemptively punish him now, he might well commit a hate crime somewhere down the road.

He didn't say gays are evil. But he did say homosexuality wasn't something to be applauded. And, if we start letting people decide who they are and aren't going to applaud, there's no telling where it will end. As in Dublin, best to be on the safe side and shut down all debate.

In Sweden, meanwhile, they've passed a constitutional amendment making criticism of homosexuality a crime, punishable by up to four years in jail. Expressing a moral objection to homosexuality is illegal, even on religious grounds, even in church. Those preachers may not be talking about how gays are evil this Sunday. But they might do next week, or next month. As in Ireland and British Columbia, best to be on the safe side and shut down all debate.

Anyone sense a trend here? Even in America, where the First Amendment (on freedom of expression) still just about trumps "hate crimes" law, you can see where things are headed.

A FEW weeks back, the Senate Judiciary Committee interrogated William Pryor, attorney-general of Alabama and President George W. Bush's nominee to the Circuit Court of Appeals. As part of an exhaustive effort to establish Pryor's unfitness for office, the Democrats delved into his history of homophobic vacationing.

Was it true, demanded Senator Russ Feingold, that "you even went so far as to reschedule a family vacation at Disney World in order to avoid Gay Day?" Gay Day is an annual event at Disney, and Pryor is a practicing Catholic.

Yes, he even went so far! "My wife and I had two daughters, who at the time of that vacation were six and four," replied Pryor.

"But are you saying," gasped Senator Feingold in mock astonishment, "that you actually made that decision on purpose to be away at the time of that?" He actually did! "We made a value judgment and changed our plan and went another weekend."

"Well, I appreciate your candor on that," said Feingold, like Perry Mason on cross-examination, after artfully trapping the witness into an irreparably damaging admission.

Gay Day has its sweet side - Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck walk around holding hands, and so do Minnie and Daisy. I always figured Mickey was gay anyway. But the photographic souvenirs of the day unearthed by National Review also included a man quaffing on a beer bottle rising out from the unzipped pants of another chap. I wouldn't advise any young lady visitor to Disney to try that with her boyfriend: The park is very rigorously policed the other 364 days of the year.

But the disinclination of a devout Catholic to expose his four-year-old to the delights of Gay Day now renders one unfit for public office. Which exactly is the love that dare not speak its name here?

Pryor hasn't made any anti-gay rulings, but he might do one day, if we allow him to go around avoiding gay carousing on his vacations. Best to be on the safe side and vote him down now. And any other Catholics who still take that jazz seriously.

THIRTY YEARS ago, in the early days of gay liberation, most of us assumed we were being asked to live and let live. But throughout the Western world, tolerance has become remarkably intolerant, and diversity demands ruthless conformity. In New Zealand, an appeals court upheld a nationwide ban on importing a Christian video Gay Rights/Special Rights: Inside The Homosexual Agenda.

In Saskatchewan, The Saskatoon Star-Phoenix was fined by the Human Rights Commission for publishing an advertisement quoting biblical passages on homosexuality. Fining publishers of the Bible surely can't be far off. The coerciveness of the most "liberal" cultures in the Western world is not a pretty sight.

Whatever happened to "live and let live?" If I can live with the occasional rustle from the undergrowth as I'm strolling through a condom-strewn park or a come-hither look from George Michael in the men's room, why can't gays live with the occasional expression of disapproval?

Christian opponents of gay marriage oppose gay marriage, they don't oppose the right of gays to advocate it. But increasingly gays oppose the right of Christians to advocate their beliefs. Gay activists have figured that instead of trying to persuade people to change their opinions, it's easier just to get them banned.

As Rodney King, celebrated black victim of the LAPD, once plaintively said, "Why can't we all just get along?"

But, if that's not possible, why can't we all just not get along? What's so bad about disagreement that it needs to be turned into a crime?

The writer is senior contributing editor for Hollinger Inc.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: antichristian; bible; billpryor; church; deathcultivation; endtimesbaby; gaydays; gays; god; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; incitementtohatred; judicialnominees; litmustest; marksteyn; marksteynlist; russfeingold; un; vatican
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To: yonif
But, if that's not possible, why can't we all just not get along? What's so bad about disagreement that it needs to be turned into a crime?

Homosexuals are desperate to escape any reminder that there is a God that holds them accountable, and that they are destroying themselves by their behavior, physically and spiritually.

41 posted on 08/13/2003 10:49:31 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: yonif
THe abetors of the homosexuality agenda in Sweeden, seem to have stumbled upon the ultimate way of silencing opposition. Give them four years in prison to either learn to love adventures into perverted sex or shut up in fear of future forced treks into perversia.
42 posted on 08/13/2003 10:51:10 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Our enemies within are very slick, but slime is always treacherously slick, isn't it?)
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To: Manic_Episode
Banning the bible is already here, at least certain "offensive" passages, in some countries. This trend appears to be spreading. The next logical step is outlawing Christianity altogether, then martyrdom.

7 posted on 08/13/2003 6:12 AM PDT by Manic_Episode

We have a whole group of these on the FR ... pampered too --- evolutionists !

43 posted on 08/13/2003 10:54:42 AM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: Skooz
Is it time yet to start stitching the battle flags?
44 posted on 08/13/2003 10:56:19 AM PDT by abishai
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To: yonif
But the photographic souvenirs of the day unearthed by National Review also included a man quaffing on a beer bottle rising out from the unzipped pants of another chap

Anyone have a link for these photos?

45 posted on 08/13/2003 11:00:56 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Marauder
My next question, as I see the attacks on religion in general from many fronts, is Do I need a church at all?

Yes! Whether church is banned or not makes no difference. God wants you to worship with fellow believers. You must be discipled.

46 posted on 08/13/2003 11:03:15 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: abishai
Naw. Just time to start memorizing Scripture. A subscription to Voice of the Martyrs magazine may be helpful, as well.
47 posted on 08/13/2003 11:03:49 AM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: yonif
THIRTY YEARS ago, in the early days of gay liberation, most of us assumed we were being asked to live and let live. But throughout the Western world, tolerance has become remarkably intolerant, and diversity demands ruthless conformity.

A brilliant summary.

48 posted on 08/13/2003 11:04:44 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: yonif
"The writer is senior contributing editor for Hollinger Inc."

Wow! That's news to me. That's a big step up for young Mark.

Conrad Black is bringing him along - he'll be one of the greats of journalism.

49 posted on 08/13/2003 11:05:05 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: yonif
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." - John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798 Address to the military

"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." - William Penn

"Good government generally begins in the family, and if the moral character of a people once degenerate, their political character must soon follow." - Elias Boudinot, president of the Continental Congress, later a congressman from NJ, and president of the American Bible Society
50 posted on 08/13/2003 11:08:46 AM PDT by hosepipe
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To: yonif
The part of the bible I'd expect to get banned first would be the thing Jesus said about a man not being able to serve two masters. That one has to hit too close to home for a lot of the idiots out there. You've got people claiming to be evolutionists and Christians at the same time, commies and Christians at the same time, and then you've got the democrats having to tell their black victim group constituents that now they've got to practice being queer... I don't envy the guy who draws that assignment.
51 posted on 08/13/2003 11:12:01 AM PDT by martianagent
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To: yonif
bump
52 posted on 08/13/2003 11:13:04 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: hosepipe
...he'll be one of the greats of journalism.

He already is.

53 posted on 08/13/2003 11:14:22 AM PDT by Interesting Times (Leftists view the truth as an easily avoidable nuisance)
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To: azhenfud
You know, I was reading that passage in my daily Bible reading last night. AND I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!
54 posted on 08/13/2003 11:15:11 AM PDT by brazos.357
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To: twowilliam
The Bible says that all Scripture was given by Inspiration and I am sure that it was only done one time by an all knowing God.

Yeah, but that one time was not 1881 or 1611, for that matter.

55 posted on 08/13/2003 11:17:24 AM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: yonif
Banning the Bible is not next, next will be limiting religous expression to with the chaple walls only and THEN banning the Bible will be next.
56 posted on 08/13/2003 11:27:33 AM PDT by Grig
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To: brazos.357
I usually have two passages of scripture I read each night before prayer and retiring. This was the first. The second was the continuation of Micah Ch.6 - that which a "priest" of Fla used in an attempt to justify his vote for Robinson's ordination - yet he stopped at verse 8 where God's cursings are pronounced.

Here's that passage:

Micah Ch.6
Hear ye now what the LORD saith; Arise, contend thou before the mountains, and let the hills hear thy voice. Hear ye, O mountains, the LORD's controversy, and ye strong foundations of the earth: for the LORD hath a controversy with his people, and he will plead with Israel. O my people, what have I done unto thee? and wherein have I wearied thee? testify against me. For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. O my people, remember now what Balak king of Moab consulted, and what Balaam the son of Beor answered him from Shittim unto Gilgal; that ye may know the righteousness of the LORD. Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old? Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? [8] He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? [9] The LORD's voice crieth unto the city, and the man of wisdom shall see thy name: hear ye the rod, and who hath appointed it. Are there yet the treasures of wickedness in the house of the wicked, and the scant measure that is abominable? Shall I count them pure with the wicked balances, and with the bag of deceitful weights? For the rich men thereof are full of violence, and the inhabitants thereof have spoken lies, and their tongue is deceitful in their mouth. Therefore also will I make thee sick in smiting thee, in making thee desolate because of thy sins. Thou shalt eat, but not be satisfied; and thy casting down shall be in the midst of thee; and thou shalt take hold, but shalt not deliver; and that which thou deliverest will I give up to the sword. Thou shalt sow, but thou shalt not reap; thou shalt tread the olives, but thou shalt not anoint thee with oil; and sweet wine, but shalt not drink wine. For the statutes of Omri are kept, and all the works of the house of Ahab, and ye walk in their counsels; that I should make thee a desolation, and the inhabitants thereof an hissing: therefore ye shall bear the reproach of my people.

I fear God's curse upon a wicked people is about to be witnessed by a multitude.

57 posted on 08/13/2003 11:31:55 AM PDT by azhenfud (For every government action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.)
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To: yonif
How long will it be, do you suppose, until not merely free speech, but the defence of free speech, such as this excellent article, is illegal?

Do you think they'll publish editions of On Liberty with the defence of alternative lifestyles left in but the defence of free speech left out?

"What he's really saying is those homophobes might be right! It's offensive!"

58 posted on 08/13/2003 11:38:21 AM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: Grig
> Banning the Bible is not next, next will be limiting religous expression to with the chaple walls only and THEN banning the Bible will be next.

Then you missed it. It has gone beyond that so that what you suggest has been made impossible in at least one country. Secular censorship has intruded INTO the chapel:

(from Steyn' commentary} "In Sweden, meanwhile, they've passed a constitutional amendment making criticism of homosexuality a crime, punishable by up to four years in jail. Expressing a moral objection to homosexuality is illegal, even on religious grounds, even in church. "
59 posted on 08/13/2003 11:38:53 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: azhenfud
“In Defense of a Despised Faith ”-Christianity ^
60 posted on 08/13/2003 11:43:54 AM PDT by DPB101
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