Memo Curbs Arrests of Immigrants (8/13/2003 )

LA Times ^ | 8/13/03 | H.G. Reza and Anna Gorman

[LNewman]

After a backlash, the Border Patrol won't nab suspects except at the border or checkpoints. Now agents are angry.

After protests over recent immigration arrests in San Diego and San Juan Capistrano, Border Patrol officials have instructed agents not to make arrests on city streets or question suspected illegal immigrants except along the border and at highway checkpoints in Orange and Riverside counties.

The directive, outlined in an Aug. 8 memo, is aimed at agents in San Diego and southern areas of Orange and Riverside counties.

"The future of Border Patrol operations" depends on eliminating the public perception that agents occasionally conduct neighborhood sweeps, says the memo from William T. Veal, chief patrol agent for the greater San Diego area.

Agents reacted with anger and disbelief to the memo.

"I refuse not to do my job. They want us to turn a blind eye even if we know that an alien is here illegally, and a criminal [besides]. That's reprehensible," said agent Thane Gallagher, who is also a union official. "Whose mythical notion is this that once an illegal alien is in the U.S., we're supposed to turn our back?"

[LNewman]

Words fail me.

[I still care]

I think O'Reilly would like this.

Whatever else you think of him, he is a bulldog on immegration issues.

[moehoward]

"Now agents are angry."

They are not alone.

[LNewman]

OOPS! Bandering, mandering, smandering ... the keyword was supposed to read "Pandering."

[Imagine]

(COPY AND DISTRIBUTE WIDELY: start a movement, print a petition, start a political party, confront your legislators, write letters, post posters, drop leaflets, demand, demand, demand.)

18 POINT ACTION PLAN: Border Violators

1) Close all US borders to illegal entry forthwith by any and all means possible, including military presence.

2) Maintain legitimate immigration levels at modest annual level with requirements that immigrants be employable or sufficiently wealthy for self-support if they do not intend to work, proficient in basic English and willing to be assimilated into American culture and language. All applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples.

3) Legal immigration shall be awarded to individuals on a lottery basis, wherein all countries are given equal status in the immigration lottery, without regards to color or economic plight of originating nation.

4) Individuals of Islamic faith (muslims) from any country shall be denied immigration privileges or entry into the US. Christians and Jews from muslim countries fleeing religious persecution shall receive accelerated immigration privileges.

5) Detain all border violators, taking photos, prints and DNA samples of said violator while at the same time, checking for out standing warrants. If no warrants are outstanding, return border violators to home country within 20 days via commercial airline and submit cost of such action, including processing and housing costs for said violator, to country of origin. If costs are not paid within 30 days, reduce any and all aid to said country by a like amount.

6) Should any country from which a border violator originates not currently receive any aid from the US, the Justice Department shall be authorized to seize or secure liens on assets owned, managed or registered to that country to the full extent of the obligation.

7) Establish new Guest Worker Visa (GWV) category, renewable every 6 months, for unskilled labor positions wherein all applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples. Work permitted of such applicants shall be limited to one of several categories, including childcare, lawn/gardening, restaurant staff, cleaning and the like. Families of GWV workers are not permitted to enter US, nor will the birth of a child to one of GWV status confer citizenship to either parent or child.

8) Any violation of civil or criminal laws shall result in the forfeiture of the GWV and immediate return to originating country.

9) GWV holders shall be prohibited from claiming unemployment benefits, welfare support or free medical service.

10) The originating country of all GWV holders shall be responsible for any uninsured loss caused by the GWV, including emergency medical claims and/or claims resulting from illegal actions committed while in the US.

11) Companies who hire GWV holders shall submit to the Immigration Dept the name and GWV number of that individual, along with a description of employment tasks. Companies shall be subject to fines and penalty that fail to report employment of GWV workers, or hire border violators. GWV workers shall be paid with check, having income tax withheld. GWV workers shall not be subject to unemployment tax because they are not eligible to receive unemployment compensation.

12) Border violators, or any non-citizen not possessing a valid visa, detained by local police for any reason shall be turned over to border control officials for immediate deportation action, except if they face criminal charges in other jurisdictions.

13) GWV workers shall be prohibited for voting in local, state and federal elections.

14) Border Violators shall NOT be afforded the rights enjoyed by American citizens, as guaranteed under the constitution.

15) Public education (at institutions supported by taxpayer dollars) at any level (pre-school, kindergarten through the university level,) shall NOT be available to Border Violators (or children of Border Violators) and schools that enroll such individuals shall be subject to penalties.

16) Foreign Students (F/S) (individuals admitted to the U.S. for the purpose of attending any educational facility,) private institution or public (i.e. supported by taxpayer dollars,) must have valid student visas, such visas being in force only if the F/S attends school full-time. F/S shall be required to pay tuition, housing and related costs such that all their educational costs are fully reimbursed to the institution attended. The originating country shall pay for any and all loss caused by students while on U.S. soil.

17) Border Violators seeking emergency medical treatment shall provide pictures, fingerprints and DNA samples along with country of origin, and shall be treated, then incarcerated until information provided can be verified. Originating country shall bear the costs of medical treatment and confinement.

18) Children born in the U.S. to border violators, illegal aliens or of foreign nationals in the U.S. for any reason (including temporary visitor, school or work visas,) shall not be eligible for citizenship as circumstances of birth, nor shall the parents or parent’s family members (relatives) be conferred U.S. citizenship as a result of such births.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

If we're just not going to do anything about the criminal invaders, the gubmnt should at least disband the border patrol and related stuff and save us the money.

Why have them if we're not going to use them?

[Reaganwuzthebest]

The future of Border Patrol operations" depends on eliminating the public perception that agents occasionally conduct neighborhood sweeps, says the memo from William T. Veal, chief patrol agent for the greater San Diego area.

This illegal alien apologist sounds a lot like former INS chief Ziglar. He just hangs around to steal taxpayer's money to fund his salary while turning a blind eye to lawbreakers.

[Dante3]

Words fail me also. It is obvious that someone wants to make sure terrorists have an easy time getting settled in this country.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

ping

[Terpfen]

"3) Legal immigration shall be awarded to individuals on a lottery basis, wherein all countries are given equal status in the immigration lottery, without regards to color or economic plight of originating nation."

So Cubans should be given the same chance of immigrating as, say, Canadians? Come on.

[Deb]

Thanks for posting this. I was afraid it would be missed.

Did you see the other LA Times article, "Maywood Traffic Stops Are Protested"? The Maywood police were using traffic checkpoints to catch drunk and unlicensed drivers. Since they've managed to catch mostly illegals the activists have gone ballistic.

These two articles, on the same day, are starting me off in a very bad mood.

[txdoda]

Words fail me. >>>>>>>>>


Translation......

"Attention ILLEGAL invaders & terrorists.......You *will be* apprehended and deported, ONLY IF you *choose* to remain in the border area, or *choose* to check in at one of our highway check points"

[Spiff]

Copy of memo can be found here.

[Imagine]

Certain embargos may be in place -- expecially for undesireable countrys. Now, are you talking about Canada, or Cuba?

[LNewman]

"These two articles, on the same day, are starting me off in a very bad mood. "

Try three articles. How about "Girl Hides Nearly 2 Days in Seized Van."

Grim.

[Map Kernow]

What is the point of having a border patrol if all unauthorized entrants have to do is escape detection until they're past an arbitrary line north of the border? What is the point of having laws prohibiting entry into our country without permission if enforcement of those laws is deliberately hobbled by the bureaucrats and officials whose ostensible duty it is to enforce the laws?

Policies like this---which are aided and abetted by both major national political parties---do not simply undermine national security and the war on terror. They also undermine the rule of law itself. How can so many Republicans huff and puff at the perjury of Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones case and yet wink at the illegal immigrant invasion from Mexico? Why are native born Americans held strictly to revenue and taxation laws, paying money they earn to support social services for illegal entrants, who are often hired on a cash basis and who often don't pay the taxes others have to (sending it to Mexico instead, to the tune of $10 billion a month)? If illegal entrants don't have to obey laws enacted for our benefit as citizens, why should we be compelled to obey laws that wind up benefitting illegals?

[Deb]

Since that story didn't involve our elected officials betraying their oaths by allowing and even promoting illegals, the story about the little girl was just another immigrant story.

I feel so sorry for the police and border patrol guys. Having to permit criminals to operate openly because elected officials bow to the will of immigrant activists.

This is so disgusting.

[rageaholic]

Who's absurd idea was this?

[Terpfen]

Cuba. I don't think Canadians should be given the same immigration priority as Cubans. Cubans are fleeing Communism--Canadians don't have that excuse.

[Imagine]

As you probably know, we deny immigration to wealthy, educated people from (ahem) white countries, but, permit virtually unlimited immigration to any people of color from poor countries. That policy is insane.

[VU4G10]

The Death of the West

Patrick J. Buchanan's contentious premise in The Death of the West is that the United States is no longer a healthy melting pot, but instead a confused, tottering "conglomeration of peoples with almost nothing in common." Relying on United Nations population statistics, and citing such diverse sources as Yogi Berra and Rhett Butler, Buchanan sees for America four "clear and present dangers": declining birth rates; uncontrolled immigration of peoples of "different colors, creed, and cultures"; a rise of "anti-Western" culture antithetical to established religious, cultural, and moral norms; and a "defection of ruling elites" to the idea of world government. His solutions include higher wages and tax breaks for parents than for singles, a dramatic rollback of immigration quotas, and a National History Bee. Buchanan's volatile, adamant book eschews any middle ground.

[VU4G10]

BORDER PATROL  -   ASA HUTCHINSON   -   GEORGE BUSH

[A Navy Vet]

AAAARRGH!

[usadave]

So Cubans should be given the same chance of immigrating as, say, Canadians?

In comparing Cubans and Canadians, is there any real difference between them in today's world?

[jimt]

This is lunacy. Stabbed in the pocketbook by my own goobermint flouting the law.

[american spirit]

Think of all the employers who get to EVADE a whole host of payroll taxes by BREAKING FEDERAL LAW in hiring these invaders. Imagine having a business where you can pay minimal wages to your workers knowing full well the Amercian suckers...oops, taxpayers are forced to subsidize those workers housing, food, medical, etc. What a great deal!!!

Also, the true answer to this open borders fiasco could very well be found by studying the FTAA or Free Trade Area of the Americas, which is the next stage of NAFTA and will essentially turn this whole hemisphere into a trading bloc ala the EU. Only question is whose Constitution will be in force? Who gets to pay for all this "integration"...one guess. What type of gov't apparatus will be in place and will it be regional or one big superstate? Lotsa questions....

[Terpfen]

Sorry, I don't see it that way. I have no problem with immigration as long as it's done legally. I don't think race has anything to do with intelligence, either. I think we should give immigration preferences to those coming from despotic countries.

[Terpfen]

Yes.

Canadians can elect their leaders.

[John Frum]

That's the $64,000 question. Sure let's just OPEN THE BLOODY flood gates then (SARCASM). Or give them get out of jail free cards (MORE SARCASM).

[lentulusgracchus]

That policy is insane.

Not if you're a DemonRat staking your future on race-pimping.

Ensuring that immigrants are always of some other ethnos than the dominant one in the target country guarantees that your services as a 'Rat Pimp will always be in demand, since social tensions will always be on high simmer, if not boil.

Unhappy people make for happy, fat 'Rats. They gorge on our troubles and feast on social conflict. And they run up and down drainpipes all day, and nothing ever sticks to their shiny, glistening fur....

Bring me ferrets. Millions of ferrets.

[Imagine]

Lovely metaphor. I share your anger.

[lentulusgracchus]

BORDER PATROL - ASA HUTCHINSON - GEORGE BUSH

Yes, it would be useful to know whether the memo-writing idiot in San Diego were acting under direction.

[Imagine]

I didn't say intellegence had anything to do with race. Did you say that?
I don't think we should give preference to those fleeing despotic governments; people from all countries (except from those which may be prohibited) should have equal chance for immigration, within legal limits, provided they come here to work and assimilate.
Persecuted Christians and Jews should be entitled to preferential immigration.
Rather than offer special privledges to those from despotic governments, we should just overthrow the governments and save the immigration rush. It would be a lot cheaper and give our military some practice.

[usurper]

In the interest of fairness lets look at this from another perspective.

What was this agent doing so far from the border in the first place? Wouldn’t it make more sense for him to be on the border or at a check point preventing additional aliens from getting through?

Now that he drove all the way up there and arrested this family does anyone here really think they will be removed to Mexico? Not likely. Does it make sense to round up aliens already in the country when they can simply drag out their deportation proceedings for 10 years and then not show up for their deportation anyway? This system is a joke.

Perhaps our Border Patrol should focus on it’s primary mission defending the border. Perhaps the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (who’s job it is to round up illegal aliens) should do their jobs.

It makes no strategic or tactical sense to take agents off the border to round up illegal aliens in the interior. While this agent was arresting this group, how many more entered?

The problem of 8 to 10 million illegal aliens in this country requires a political solution and the development of a safe and sane immigration policy. The Border Patrol must focus its resources efforts on the border. They’re the only defense we’ve got.

[LNewman]

You're right, of course as far as the "just another immigrant story." These "stories" are coming so fast and furious, one sob story after another ... daily news ... and they're ALL illegal. And not one of them apparently mind having their face splashed all over major newspapers; so I really doubt they call up the authorities and ask if it's "safe" to go to the swimming pool. It's all scamming arrogance, bravado, and theatrics!

As regards the young girl in the seized van, I would have no problems arresting and charging her father for perpetrating a crime.

And, I agree with you wholeheartedly about the police and border patrol ... they need our support! Not a bunch of pandering politicos tell them how to do their job.

[Map Kernow]

I didn't say intellegence had anything to do with race. Did you say that?

Just as an aside, it never takes long on a thread like this dealing with illegal immigration for someone to bring up the subject of race and imply---or state outright---that those concerned with illegal immigration simply find immigrants' skin color objectionable, are disguised racists, "believe there are racial differences in intelligence," etc. They expect, and too often get, a "conditioned response." Good way to keep the lid on the immigration debate, such as it is.

[Terpfen]

Let me put it like this: during the time it takes to recognize a problem and overthrow it, something needs to be done with the people coming here. Sending them back in the face of a planned attack on the country they're coming from would be kind of stupid, would it not?

[Map Kernow]

In the interest of fairness lets look at this from another perspective.

What was this agent doing so far from the border in the first place? Wouldn’t it make more sense for him to be on the border or at a check point preventing additional aliens from getting through?

"So far from the border"?? Listen, San Diego County is right on the US-Mexico border and San Juan Capistrano is just over the county line from San Diego. Don't make it sound like these guys were off on a wild goose chase just to try to nab some poor shivering "undocumented worker" and whale on him---these guys were enforcing the law and nabbing people who illegally went over the border.

Now that he drove all the way up there and arrested this family does anyone here really think they will be removed to Mexico? Not likely. Does it make sense to round up aliens already in the country when they can simply drag out their deportation proceedings for 10 years and then not show up for their deportation anyway? This system is a joke.

And your point is? We throw the baby out with the bathwater because deportation proceedings are screwed up? Besides, aliens nabbed "so close to the border" can be detained and returned---they don't have to go through "10 years of deportation proceedings"---not unless the Border Patrol is prevented from doing its job.

Perhaps our Border Patrol should focus on it’s primary mission defending the border. Perhaps the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (who’s job it is to round up illegal aliens) should do their jobs.

Who says the Border Patrol isn't doing its job?? Why do you think these guys are so angry---because they want to hang out at the beach at SJC instead of patrolling the border? No, they want to be able to enforce the law against illegal entry into the US, and that means detaining illegal aliens where they find them, even if it's not right at the border.

It makes no strategic or tactical sense to take agents off the border to round up illegal aliens in the interior. While this agent was arresting this group, how many more entered?

No one's "taking agents off the border to round up aliens in the interior"---didn't you read the article? Agents are being prevented from detaining illegals at an arbitrary (and as I noted very close) distance from the border.

The problem of 8 to 10 million illegal aliens in this country requires a political solution and the development of a safe and sane immigration policy. The Border Patrol must focus its resources efforts on the border. They’re the only defense we’ve got.

"The problem of 8 to 10 million illegal aliens in this country requires a political solution and the development of a safe and sane immigration policy."? Ah, I get it now!! No enforcement of current law---just a "political solution" (translation: "amnesty" and political accommodation of the demands of the Mexican government, and American law and taxpayers be DAMNED), and a "safe and sane immigration policy" (translation: open borders).

The Border Patrol "must focus its resources efforts [sic] on the border."? They're trying to do just that---you and the other "open borders" people in and out of the government get the hell out of their way.

[Imagine]

I think the race baiters look for ways to push a rational discussion about a problem, such as illegial immigration, into a debate about just those things. You're good to alert people of the risk of taking the bait from the racial baiters, however, I am not the type to take the bait...

[Imagine]

Terp, I am not sure I follow you. I suggest we catch and promptly return the border violators and you say it's not smart to sent them back. What am I missing?

[Guillermo]

Canadians fawn and swoon over Cuban-style socialism (from 2000 miles away, of course), while Cubans, who actually have to live in it, despise it and risk their lives fleeing from it.

[markrider]

Please send your comments on this issue to oreilly@foxnews.com If enough of us ask him to investigate he may shed some light on this ridiculous new rule.

[heleny]

What was this agent doing so far from the border in the first place? Wouldn’t it make more sense for him to be on the border or at a check point preventing additional aliens from getting through?

The arrest was in downtown San Diego, which is only a few miles from the border with Mexico. The I-5 and I-15 border patrol checkpoints are about 60 miles North of downtown San Diego. Those checkpoints are much farther from Mexico than where the border patrol agent was working. (and, from a logical perspecitve, he was between the border and the checkpoints)

[usurper]

Good debate, let me respond.

Don't make it sound like these guys were off on a wild goose chase just to try to nab some poor shivering "undocumented worker" and whale on him---these guys were enforcing the law and nabbing people who illegally went over the border.

I am not criticizing him, he was doing his job. I am criticizing this approach to addressing our immigration disaster as it accomplishes nothing, save producing piles of paperwork and alienating the communities the Border Patrol must work in. This approach is not thoughtful and ultimately will achieve no appreciable benefit to the US.

And your point is? We throw the baby out with the bathwater because deportation proceedings are screwed up?

My point is that the system is broken and half measures, no, much less than half in this case, only exhaust resources which could have a significantly greater impact on the problem elsewhere.

Why do you think these guys are so angry---because they want to hang out at the beach at SJC instead of patrolling the border? No, they want to be able to enforce the law against illegal entry into the US, and that means detaining illegal aliens where they find them, even if it's not right at the border.

What’s the point, where do you think this leads? Even if the Border Patrol pulled 50% of the agents off the border in San Diego and spent the next 5 years sweeping from Orange County south what do you think the overall impact on illegal immigration in the US would be? Answer, nothing. I am sure a bunch of aliens would be arrested and removed, all of which would be back in a week or two, I am sure a bunch of agents would get sued, I am sure the media and the civil rights whack jobs would have a field day and in the end you can be confidant that the 9th Circuit would step in with an injunction and put a stop to the entire thing.

No one's "taking agents off the border to round up aliens in the interior"---didn't you read the article? Agents are being prevented from detaining illegals at an arbitrary (and as I noted very close) distance from the border.

Probably because someone has taken the time to read a bit of history. Ever hear of Chandler AZ, or Farmersville, CA or perhaps Parlier CA. It’s not like Border Patrol interior enforcement hasn’t been tried before the results are sadly predictable as we are witnessing in this story.

Ah, I get it now!! No enforcement of current law---just a "political solution" (translation: "amnesty" and political accommodation of the demands of the Mexican government, and American law and taxpayers be DAMNED), and a "safe and sane immigration policy" (translation: open borders).

I am afraid you still don’t get it, the current law is a joke. The current immigration policy is a bad joke. You seem to be under the misconception that the system was designed by good men with good intentions and it simply resulted in some unintended consequences. I believe that the current system was designed to function exactly as it does. It’s not a mistake, an oversight, a misstep or an oops. It is accomplishing everything it was setup to do.

The political solution I am referring to is not “amnesty” (as by all credible accounts only increased illegal immigration last time) its going to take a complete overhaul of immigration policy and to do that its going to take an overhaul of congress. The answer to solving this problem rests with the politicians who design it, not with a lone Border Patrol Agent in North County.

They're trying to do just that---you and the other "open borders" people in and out of the government get the hell out of their way.

Apparently you haven’t noticed but our borders are open. Now more than ever we need to secure our borders, arresting a few José’s’ here and there in the interior accomplishes nothing. Once the Border Patrol can assure us that the border is secure they can, (should newly elected leadership and the courts permit it) kick butt in the interior.

[heleny]

Yesterday, Roger Hedgecock interviewed Sean/Shawn, a spokesman for the local union of Border Patrol agents, and he believed that the order for the Chief's memo came from the Department of Homeland Security and that "the pressure is coming from above... to limit liability and ... [to appease] political pressure from the Mexican Consulate." I missed the rest of the interview.

Roger also played a clip from a 2000 interview with then-candidate George W. Bush, who said the federal government should commit to the manpower and equipment needed for securing our borders. Bush said we need to make our borders as secure as possible, just like other countries do, such as Mexico along its southern border. He mentioned "Operation Hold the Line" to protect our borders, but we haven't heard about any such policy since then.

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Since we can't print the LAT story, here is the version from the FlashFacts yesterday, with minor editing
http://rogerhedgecock.com/flashfacts.html

WE AIN'T FORTUNE TELLER!! (but we told the future) DID SO IN OUR FLASH OF AUGUST 6^TH. We post our lead item of that day below for your reference. The tale about our Home Land Security Forces busting a Mexican family that had busted into our country. Our Border Patrol folks nab the group in the vicinity of the Mexican Consulate (in Little Italy... Yikes) and process them back to their homeland. Well poop gets in the fan big time. Mexicans that we allow to have an office in San Diego get livid. Mexican Embassy in D.C. (where we allow Mexicans to have an office too) shakes finger at highest levels of Bush administration....how dare you arrest and deport Mexican citizens!!....and behold comes forth from the Chief of the San Diego sector of the Border Patrol a memo.

Memo basically tells all our local BP agents to knock it off. Don't be busting illegals. Least not once they get into the USA. You can wave at them as they flood across the border and if they jump into your Bronco you can arrest them...otherwise just make sure they have water and snacks and fresh underwear. We're not kidding.

Border Patrol Agents are not authorized to conduct any interior enforcement, or city patrol, operations in or near residential areas or places of employment, including immigration inspections at day labor pick-up locations or on city streets while agents are enroute to assignments as PD transport or transportation checks. This the exact language from the August 8^th, 2003 memo from William T. Veal, Chief Patrol Agent.

Heres another quote from the memo: "The operational priorities for the San Diego Sector are geared toward maximum containment at the border, to prevent the illegal entry of aliens, terrorists and terrorist weapons."

This is real good...but once the aliens, terrorist and terrorist weapons get across the border... our border patrol is to leave the invader alone. HUH?

Ally Ally in Free? Touch Wood? Safe now that we are across the border and in San Diego proper? Beyond belief.

ROGER GOT SNUCK THE MEMO on Tuesday and we immediately flashed it off to Duncan Hunter, Dana Rohrabacher and Tom Tancredo... staunch defenders of the American border. Fox 6 news locally also got fed the story and the memo also found its way to Bill OReilly on the Fox News Channel.

THE BP OFFICERS WHAT BUSTED THE FAMILY OF ILLEGALS on August 1^st ought to get letters of commendation in their personnel files...instead (did we predict it?) they are likely bound for patrol duty in the corn fields of Nebraska.

OH, AND JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT (or missed the Flash cause of our mail server problem) our original prediction... we post that here:

[...]
IF YOUR JOB IS HUNTING FOR ILLEGALS...folks who have gotten thru our airtight border security system (huh?) and are loose in America where might you look? Well the Mexican Consulate seems to be a starting point. And so it was of a recent day that some of our Border Patrol folks were in the vicinity of the San Diego Mex Cons office and nabbed a family of five and a friend..burglars all - that is they had broken into our homeland. The folks were sent back home to their home.

WELL YOU'D HAVE THUNK WE'D SUCKER PUNCHED A DRUNK. Mexican authorities get a bad case of the snits and complain to U.S. government. The Mexicans will launch their own investigation. In fact the Mexicans allege that since 911 there has been an aggressive effort to locate and deport illegals and that Latino neighborhoods have been targeted.

THE STORY CHUCKLES US A COUPLE OF WAYS...here's part of the U-T report posted this morning:
"In interviews in Tijuana, the five family members vowed to return to San Diego by Monday morning so they wouldn't lose their jobs. Three worked as janitors and one as a cook. They left two young children behind in San Diego. "

HUH?? Is that a little blatant or what? We'll break back into your country immediately because we have jobs to have to get to. What about that airtight border security stuff?

OH, and why was the family at the consulate? They needed to pick up one of those phony Mexican I.D. cards for illegals so that when the Duf signs the drivers license for illegals they'll have a document proving they are illegal.

[Map Kernow]

The whole premise of your argument is false: Border agents are not abandoning the border wholesale in order to scour the interior for illegals. I learned yesterday through---what else?---the alternative media (John & Ken on KFI; Sean Hannity on Fox) that the illegals were apprehended as they approached the Mexican consulate in San Diego---which I repeat is basically a stone's throw from the border---in order to get the illegal matricula consular card: a phoney "ID" handed out by the Mexican government to allow its nationals to violate US law. The riff-raff were stopped. You and the open borders Lennonists are crying over it. I say, let the law be enforced, and let Border Patrol agents bust these criminals wherever they're found.

[Terpfen]

I'm saying that we arrest and deport all illegal immigrants. But who defines what is illegal? Congress, at least theoretically. Therefore, Congress can pass a law saying that immigrants from countries X, Y, or Z will be acccepted and naturalized due to certain circumstances in their home countires (in Cuba's case, it's communism).

[Mr. Mojo]

The Maywood police were using traffic checkpoints to catch drunk and unlicensed drivers. Since they've managed to catch mostly illegals the activists have gone ballistic.

Why do politicans cave in to these terrorist enablers (aka 'activists')? .....Especially considering the success of anti-illegal immigration CA ballot initiatives over the past decade (even though they've later been deemed unconstitutional by the CA Supreme fools). Clearly, the vast majority of CA voters have had enough of this nonsense, and would support any politician who as the guts to tackle it and not cave in to these 'activists'.

[Deb]

Most mayors and council-critters are left-wingers and therefore terrified of being called "racists" by the hispano-terrorists who demonstrate at the drop of an illegal immigrant and call "meetings" full of screaming street actors.