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Note to Arnie-bots: If Arnold is a "Fiscal Conservative", so is Howard Dean
Various | August 13, 2003 | nwrep

Posted on 08/13/2003 6:08:57 PM PDT by nwrep

The self-delusion of some star-struck conservatives here is stunning. In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, they insisted Arnold was a fiscal conservative, just because he said so. This arrogant proclamation, with no evidence to back it up, was enough for these Arnold-bots.

Then today, he dropped a bomb-shell and declared tax-loving, Hillary Clinton supporter Warren Buffett as his economic advisor. When faced with such repudiation of their fantasy, one expects most people to concede their mistake. But not the Arnie-bots. They still insist Arnold is a conservative, just because he has chosen a billionaire to head his economic team. Apparently, to these Arnie-bots, conservatism is a hollow concept, to be equated with the acquisition of wealth. Never mind that some of the most prominent backers of the anti-capitalist, anti-American, anti-conservative group Moveon.org are self-made billionaires.

This mental capitulation to a Hollywood celebrity reminds me of grandmothers from Florida visiting Hollywood's Rodeo Drive and becoming speechless with awe and admiration at the ostentatious display of wealth there.

Before these Freepers go too far and over the cliff in their fanatical devotion to Arnie Kennedy Jr., they would do well to acquaint themselves of some important positions of Warren Buffett:

Warren Buffett Picks Hillary for Senator

Warren Buffett Slams Dividend Tax Cut

Warren Buffett's Stupid Economics

Is Buffett Hazardous To Your Wealth?

Warren Buffett Despises Nuclear Weapons

Warren Buffett Opposes Estate Tax Repeal

So, now that there is more sobering evidence to the contrary, will these Arnie supporters bow to reason and back a real conservative, like Tom McClintock? One can only hope.

Or they would be left, with the logical extension of their trust in words and not deeds, in the unenviable position of defending the fiscal conservatism of one Howard Dean, Jr.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 4pointsandfalling; arnold; buffett; calgov2002; clintonalumni; electionpresident; kneepadrepublicans; liberal; losers4mcclintock; mc4points; mcdork; mcloser; mcmarginalized; purists; schwarzenrino; soremcclintockbots; sorerinos; supermcloser; warren; winners4arnold
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1 posted on 08/13/2003 6:08:58 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: nwrep
Should be in "Breaking News".
2 posted on 08/13/2003 6:10:59 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: *Election President; *calgov2002; *Clinton Alumni; Joe Hadenuf; Enterprise; Uncle Hal; SJSAMPLE; ...
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3 posted on 08/13/2003 6:11:36 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: nwrep
So what? If GWB is a conservative, so was Bill Clinton.
4 posted on 08/13/2003 6:11:46 PM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: nwrep
We Mean No Harm To Your Planet.
5 posted on 08/13/2003 6:12:12 PM PDT by cmsgop (If you Spinkle When You Tinkle,...Be a Sweetie and Wipe the Seatie......)
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To: nwrep
He also put Steve Forbes and Arthur Laffer on his team. How about that?
6 posted on 08/13/2003 6:15:00 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Willie Green for President...)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Bullish; moneyrunner; Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
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7 posted on 08/13/2003 6:15:22 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: nwrep
Look mister! You're not from California! Don't you know conservatives in that state have been asleep at the switch for 20 years and couldn't get a conservative elected as electric chair tester? The RINObots don't want your opinion!
8 posted on 08/13/2003 6:16:15 PM PDT by Doohickey (Hey. I need you go go down to the torpedo room and get me some tag line.)
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To: nwrep
So which part of California do you live? OH I see. You don't live in CA or have you ever lived there? Do you have any links to CA? Why are you so emotional about CA politics?
9 posted on 08/13/2003 6:18:06 PM PDT by Gracey ( All your base are belong to the Terminator)
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To: nwrep
How about taking care of your leftist politics in Oregon. I notice your way of voting is through mail in ONLY. How about working on changing that system so we help eliminate the democrat FRAUD in Oregon?
10 posted on 08/13/2003 6:19:33 PM PDT by Gracey ( All your base are belong to the Terminator)
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To: nwrep
Buffett was brought aboard to help pull California bonds out of junk status.

He's also a recognizable name with broad appeal.

Arnold wants a mandate to change the landscape.

11 posted on 08/13/2003 6:21:03 PM PDT by sinkspur (Get a dog! He'll change your life!)
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To: StatesEnemy
LOL!
12 posted on 08/13/2003 6:21:03 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: nwrep
click for the article

This conservative is voting for Arnold


Posted: August 13, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Last week Arnold declared his candidacy for governor of California. I was broadcasting at the time, immediately endorsed him, and immediately began to receive a steady flow of mail from Tom McClintock and Bill Simon fans. Tom and Bill are fine guys, and both have been my guests on countless occasions. I endorsed Bill over Dick Riordan last March and stand by that choice. When it comes to elections, I am a single-issue voter: I support the most conservative candidate who has the most realistic chance of winning.

............

Time for the purists to check their passion at the door and focus on winning. A governor with whom I agree 75 percent of the time – or even 60 percent of the time – is far, far better than a governor with whom I never agree.

A vote for Tom McClintock, Bill Simon or Peter Ueberroth is a vote for Cruz Bustamante.

It really is that simple.


13 posted on 08/13/2003 6:22:05 PM PDT by deport
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To: nwrep
When any pol tells yout that he's a social liberal and a fiscal conservative guess which takes the backseat when they govern? The two philosophies are not compatable at any level. A social liberal will want to enact programs to meet their vision of things. That involves spending money that most times they don't have to begin with and raising taxes to cover the shortfall in the budget. In no way is that fiscally conservative.
14 posted on 08/13/2003 6:23:03 PM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: GraniteStateConservative
He also put Steve Forbes and Arthur Laffer on his team. How about that?

LOL!! Another couple of flaming liberals, huh?

Arnold wants input from all sides, it seems.

15 posted on 08/13/2003 6:23:08 PM PDT by sinkspur (Get a dog! He'll change your life!)
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To: nwrep
Arnold aint' nothing conservative. Fiscal or otherwise.

People are dumb to jump on his Riordan/Buffett bandwagon.

16 posted on 08/13/2003 6:25:16 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: Gracey
I haven't lived there, but have family there. Anyway, can't I have an opinion without living there? Is this like the people who said you cannot support war because you have not been in one?
17 posted on 08/13/2003 6:25:53 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: Gracey
How about taking care of your leftist politics in Oregon.

That is a valid point. We are trying our best!!

18 posted on 08/13/2003 6:26:37 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: sinkspur
are you trying to be funny? Steve Forbes liberal?????? Have you ever even read Forbes? And what's wrong with Art Laffer???
19 posted on 08/13/2003 6:27:18 PM PDT by EricEssig
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To: deport
Bingo!
20 posted on 08/13/2003 6:28:03 PM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
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To: nwrep
You're wasting your time. They are not listening and have made up their minds.

They are "Kneepad Republicans" ...


21 posted on 08/13/2003 6:28:20 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: nwrep
None of us was under the delusion Arnold was ever a conservative. So I'm not shocked by today's news. I would have been hopping mad if Arnold had been a conservative candidate. So this is a development I take in stride. And granted, Buffett's a big name and a liberal Democrat but it doesn't change in the slightest the dynamics of the race here in California.
22 posted on 08/13/2003 6:29:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Bullish
Has Arnold even pledged not to raise taxes if elected?

Arnold is probably the only Democrat (opps, sorry, he is a "Republican") who can get away with raising taxes. The Liberal media will praise him for rising above his party and being a "statesman."
23 posted on 08/13/2003 6:29:25 PM PDT by ATrueConservativeMan
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To: Gracey
Well, in defense of nwrep, he or she is in Oregon, where many Californians who couldn't take it any more have escaped to.

Mr. Inspectorette and I are still here on the Central Coast, still in love with what California used to be and wondering if it ever will be again. We haven't given up hope yet, but we have family in Oregon and Washington State, and they're beckoning to us to move up there.

OTOH, Oregon and Washington State are starting to have the same problems that we have here in California - liberal politicos, pandering to illegals, enviro-whackos, etc., etc., etc.

24 posted on 08/13/2003 6:29:49 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: EricEssig
are you trying to be funny? Steve Forbes liberal?????? Have you ever even read Forbes? And what's wrong with Art Laffer???

I was being sarcastic. Of course they're conservative, perfect counterweights to Buffett. They take all the air out of this thread.

25 posted on 08/13/2003 6:30:57 PM PDT by sinkspur (Get a dog! He'll change your life!)
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To: nwrep
In an objective view: I think whether Arnold is trying to do it or not, he's making the term "Republican" not such a dirty word. If Arnie, with some of his misunderstandings, makes people at least start considering some conservative issues (wrong angles as some may be), he gets the ball rolling and people check out some thoughts they had always been ideologically against and as many of us "recovering liberals" can attest to, we "start seeing the light." It's that light that allows us to find other light switches that allows us to see other doors that allows us to be more honest about that idea that government has a role but "tread lightly!"
26 posted on 08/13/2003 6:32:06 PM PDT by torchthemummy
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To: GraniteStateConservative; nwrep

http://www.chronwatch.com/editorial/contentDisplay.asp?aid=3827

That beef may already be on the grill. Financier Warren Buffett, a close friend of Mr. Schwarzenegger's, is providing advice on economic development. Friends of Nobel Prize winning economist Milton Friedman are urging him to appear in a commercial for Mr. Schwarzenegger, much as he did for Proposition 13 a quarter century ago. Mr. Schwarzenegger has been quoted as saying that for years his favorite Christmas present for friends was Mr. Friedman's book ''Free to Choose.'' Other prominent economic figures who are talking with Mr. Schwarzenegger about a role in the campaign include Steve Forbes, Larry Kudlow, Art Laffer and Steve Moore of the Club for Growth. This week, Bob White, the former chief of staff for Gov. Pete Wilson, took over the campaign's reins as senior manager. Mr. White has extensive experience in formulating public policy, which is unusual for a campaign manager.
27 posted on 08/13/2003 6:32:22 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport
Thanks for the link.
28 posted on 08/13/2003 6:36:41 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: deport
Why doesn't Arnold simply release an issues statement.

Will he raise taxes?

Will he cut spending?

Will he support homosexual marriage?

What is his stance on abortion?

Immigration, illegal and legal?

Drivers licenses for illegals?

As a casual observer who doesn't live in California, how could you decide on a candidate to vote for without knowing where he stands?

Or perhaps I'm all wet but from the interviews I heard Arnold didn't answer a single one of these questions when asked.

29 posted on 08/13/2003 6:37:24 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: deport
Its seems to be a well balanced economic team split between conservatives, libertarians, and a liberal. So what's the fuss all about?
30 posted on 08/13/2003 6:37:28 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: jwalsh07
Why doesn't Arnold simply release an issues statement.


I have no idea..... However my guess is that is what he's putting a team together for.... To put together a campaign organization, provide position statements, look at government needs, etc.

If you really need an answer you may try writing his campaign headquarters... Remember he has just gotten in the race within the past few days... He definitely starts out behind seasoned politicans that have spent years developing campaign rectoric.....
31 posted on 08/13/2003 6:42:52 PM PDT by deport
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To: sinkspur
Don't forget that other "liberal", Stephen Moore of the Club for Growth . I applaud Arnold for reaching out to economic experts of all stripes,to help him find the best way to pull CA out of the ditch. Each expert is probably offering discrete advice in the areas of their own particular expertise.
32 posted on 08/13/2003 6:43:44 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: nwrep
The self-delusion of some star-struck conservatives here is stunning.

Rush Limbaugh has been drumming this for 3 days and he has been quoted in all the major newspapers. Do you think the Buffet thing is some new big deal? Why blast freepers for something everyone but you, apparently, knew?

33 posted on 08/13/2003 6:47:23 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
I'm a conservative who isn't a celebrity worshipper. We're all aware that Arnold's not a conservative. If he misled us, that would be one thing. There's no earthly reason for people to get excited about him being someone he's not. Q.E.D.
34 posted on 08/13/2003 6:50:33 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Well, I only found time to post it today. That means nothing. I also knew it for some time.
35 posted on 08/13/2003 6:51:16 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: ambrose
Steve Forbes is also on the Arnold team. Is he a RINO, too? Or is he now your enemy because he is not as PURE as you? The real RINOs are people that vote Third Party or sit home allowing RATS to get elected. Period.
36 posted on 08/13/2003 6:54:46 PM PDT by Wait4Truth (God Bless our President!)
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To: nwrep
The bottomline position is that any Republican will be better than any Democrat for the future of CA. Whom ever is elected will have their hands full and may not be entirely successful, so why strap that on a true conservative and damage the conservative movement? Besides, Arnold has the best chance to be elected.
37 posted on 08/13/2003 6:54:57 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: sinkspur
Buffet thinks the rich are undertaxed. Maybe he is right. In any event, California is in the forefront of solving this problem even without Buffet, because apparently the car tax is going to transmute (pending litigation, everything is litigated, which is what makes America great), into a higher top bracket rate with respect to the California income tax (from 9.3% to 11%).
39 posted on 08/13/2003 6:59:13 PM PDT by Torie
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To: nwrep
THEY HAVE NO SHAME

When it's Barney Frank or some other liberal supporting these perverted liberal ideas such as, same sex marriages, gay rights, gay adoption and gun control it's a no good, corrupt, immoral assH***s. But, Now that it's the same type running as a Repubilcan things look much different.

This is exactly the same mind set and how we ended up with a Supreme Court that perverted the country and done more damage than the libs could have ever thought of.

Morals do count. In fact, It's Moral judgements that balance budgets also. For the good of the rest of this country we should INCLUDE social morals along with the Fiscal policies you are all worried about.

Moral people can balance a budget better than immoral ones.

AM I from CA, (AKA Mexico) Hell no I wouldn't live in that Moral cesspool for all the money in the world. Do I care Yes, I care for the rest of the country that has to watch this stinking decay.

40 posted on 08/13/2003 6:59:50 PM PDT by chachacha
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To: nwrep
Yet, Bushbots fail to realize that Bush has grown the budgets 21% since his first day and has been asking for even more money. We get an itty-bitty tax cut and are suupposed to be happy.
41 posted on 08/13/2003 7:01:01 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (Helping Mexicans invade America is TREASON!)
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To: jwalsh07
Or perhaps I'm all wet but from the interviews I heard Arnold didn't answer a single one of these questions when asked.

Homosexual marriage is illegal in California.

Arnold couldn't do anything about abortion in California, regardless of his stance, since the legislature enacted a law proclaiming abortion as a civil right, last year.

The rest of his platform will come out, in his time. You'll be pleasantly surprised.

42 posted on 08/13/2003 7:02:16 PM PDT by sinkspur (Get a dog! He'll change your life!)
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To: nwrep
Howard Dean is a *COMMUNIST*. It's as *SIMPLE* as that.

It's people like you who are going to put *CRUZ BUSTAMANTE* in California's *GOVERNOR'S MANSION*!

43 posted on 08/13/2003 7:05:10 PM PDT by Sir Valentino
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To: chachacha
Moral people can balance a budget better than immoral ones.

Be careful with this. Clinton balanced the budget and, indeed, had a surplus when he left office.

44 posted on 08/13/2003 7:05:26 PM PDT by sinkspur (Get a dog! He'll change your life!)
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To: nwrep
The Arnauldcrats are star-struck and can't see through the H'weirdo-hyped media image. Their rose-tinted glasses just get rosier.
45 posted on 08/13/2003 7:07:19 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: nwrep
Some of the Freepers from the sky is falling crowd because Arnold is not a Conservative on social issues are so far out of it that you have no idea what is going on!

Have you heard of Steve Forbes? Well seems he is on the team as well. Do we take it from your post that Forbes is no longer a conservative?

When you have a State that is in as much trouble as California, you assemble the best minds when it comes to the economy that will agree to help you! You don't look at their party affiliation if they are willing to help!

Do you have any idea about California politics? Republicans should have won the race in 2002 and if Simon, a conservative, hadn't been the candidate we most likely would have won. Doesn't that tell you something?

Some of the hatred of Arnold who is a Republican makes me wonder what agendas are all about on here. It is obvious that one agenda is not electing a Republican Governor of California!

Guess you all prefer to elect DemocRATs so you can continue to whine and moan. This Republican doesn't like to lose so I vote and support the best candidate that I believe can win and it usually isn't the most conservative even here in a conservative State like Oklahoma! Go too far right even here and you cannot get elected.

BTW -- I have a new definition for RINO (Republican in Name Only) -- it is not for moderate Republicans because they always go vote -- it is for some of the "purist" who threaten to stay home and not vote if a candidate doesn't meet 100% of their "purist" agenda! A "True" Republican is the broken glass type who will not be deterred from voting and that definitely includes moderates!
46 posted on 08/13/2003 7:07:32 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (VOTE FOR ARNOLD -- GOP's Best Chance to Tank Hillary for 2004 and beyond!)
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To: nwrep
Oh now the name calling begins. It's almost like talking to a democrat sometimes.
47 posted on 08/13/2003 7:09:12 PM PDT by Tempest
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To: nwrep
I think that trying to beat up on Arnold for his pick of Buffett is missing the real point.

I think people miss the real news. The real news is not that Arnold picked Buffett -- he wanted a big name.

The real news is that Buffett accepted and is backing Arnold. I don't care for Buffett's politics (a Democrat) and some of his stands, but nevertheless, the guy is definitely not stupid. So the fact that he endorsed Arnold, instead of sticking with Davis or endorsing Bustamente, shows that he himself sees that CA is in serious fiscal trouble and has faith in Arnold that he, with the right advisors can get CA out of the hole.

I think it was a masterstroke for Arnold to get Buffett. He totally neutralized any charge that the Dems could make against him about being a "right wing Republican". Even Gray Davis couldn't say that with a straight face, with Buffett, a rich Democrat backing Arnold. Arnold is brilliant.

From an article in the UK Financial Times:

"Rated as the second-richest man in the world after Bill Gates, of Microsoft, he is also free with offerings of his business wisdom.

His enduring adherence to his dictum "never invest in a business you cannot understand" suggests he has considerable faith in his 56-year-old Republican protégé.

Mr Buffett has offered to recruit prominent business leaders and economists to resolve the state's fiscal difficulties, and retain investment and jobs that Mr Schwarzenegger has said are being driven out of California because of the deteriorating economic and business climate.

Mr Schwarzenegger said Mr Buffett was "truly a giant" in the world of finance. "Warren has a common sense approach to business issues and an integrity that is unmatched. That is the same way I want to approach governing."

Mr Buffett joins a campaign team that includes several leading lights from the administration of Pete Wilson, the Republican governor replaced by recall target Gray Davis in 1998.

As a Democrat, Mr Buffett's presence will help deflect suggestions that Mr Schwarzenegger is not as aloof from the political establishment as he has claimed."

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1059478997932



48 posted on 08/13/2003 7:10:16 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: sinkspur
You'll be pleasantly surprised.

I just knew you were on Arnold's campaign staff. :) Doesn't California weather suck these days? It reminds me of Texas.

49 posted on 08/13/2003 7:10:23 PM PDT by Torie
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To: nwrep
Lessee..how did Mark Steyn put it the other day? Oh yeah...

"Death before electability"

Some people have way too many principles to be effective in this world.

50 posted on 08/13/2003 7:13:15 PM PDT by telebob
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