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New Dinosaur Species Found in India
AP ^ | August 13, 2003 | RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM

Posted on 08/13/2003 9:02:05 PM PDT by nwrep

New Dinosaur Species Found in India
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By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM, Associated Press Writer

BOMBAY, India - U.S. and Indian scientists said Wednesday they have discovered a new carnivorous dinosaur species in India after finding bones in the western part of the country.

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The new dinosaur species was named Rajasaurus narmadensis, or "Regal reptile from the Narmada," after the Narmada River region where the bones were found.

The dinosaurs were between 25-30 feet long, had a horn above their skulls, were relatively heavy and walked on two legs, scientists said. They preyed on long-necked herbivorous dinosaurs on the Indian subcontinent during the Cretaceous Period at the end of the dinosaur age, 65 million years ago.

"It's fabulous to be able to see this dinosaur which lived as the age of dinosaurs came to a close," said Paul Sereno, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago. "It was a significant predator that was related to species on continental Africa, Madagascar and South America."

Working with Indian scientists, Sereno and paleontologist Jeff Wilson of the University of Michigan reconstructed the dinosaur skull in a project funded partly by the National Geographic (news - web sites) Society.

A model of the assembled skull was presented Wednesday by the American scientists to their counterparts from Punjab University in northern India and the Geological Survey of India during a Bombay news conference.

Scientists said they hope the discovery will help explain the extinction of the dinosaurs and the shifting of the continents — how India separated from Africa, Madagascar, Australia and Antarctica and collided with Asia.

The dinosaur bones were discovered during the past 18 years by Indian scientists Suresh Srivastava of the Geological Survey of India and Ashok Sahni, a paleontologist at Punjab University.

When the bones were examined, "we realized we had a partial skeleton of an undiscovered species," Sereno said.

The scientists said they believe the Rajasaurus roamed the Southern Hemisphere land masses of present-day Madagascar, Africa and South America.

"People don't realize dinosaurs are the only large-bodied animal that lived, evolved and died at a time when all continents were united," Sereno said.

The cause of the dinosaurs' extinction is still debated by scientists. The Rajasaurus discovery may provide crucial clues, Sereno said.

India has seen quite a few paleontological discoveries recently.

In 1997, villagers discovered about 300 fossilized dinosaur eggs in Pisdura, 440 miles northeast of Bombay, that Indian scientists said were laid by four-legged, long-necked vegetarian creatures.

Indian scientists said the dinosaur embryos in the eggs may have suffocated during volcanic eruptions.


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KEYWORDS: acanthostega; antarctica; australia; catastrophism; crevolist; dino; dinosaurs; godsgravesglyphs; ichthyostega; india; madagascar; narmadabasin; narmadensis; paleontology; rajasaurus; rino
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To: PatrickHenry
It would be nice if the creationists would simply stop trying to 'witness' on the science threads. Discussions regarding a purely scientific topic do not require any input from those who have no belief (or understanding) of the scientific method. They should feel free to discuss creationism all they want on threads dedicated to that topic.
51 posted on 08/14/2003 1:19:22 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: balrog666
Part of the promised 100?
52 posted on 08/14/2003 1:26:10 PM PDT by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry
Hear him out; it would be impolite to interrupt or make derisive comparisons to the already vanquished.
53 posted on 08/14/2003 2:14:44 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: concisetraveler
Au contraire'; everyone, in the end, is alone and on his own.
54 posted on 08/14/2003 2:17:05 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: StolarStorm
Discussions regarding a purely scientific topic do not require any input from those who have no belief (or understanding) of the scientific method.

Well said, Oh Mighty Keeper of the Flame.

55 posted on 08/14/2003 2:18:46 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: StolarStorm
Just because evolution is an extinct dinosaur doesn't make dinosaurs the exclusive domain of extinct evoloonies.

Free speech is a problem for you. You should start your own discussion club in your closet where it's relatively safe.
56 posted on 08/14/2003 3:32:21 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: ALS
Actually, I'm a big fan of free speech, thus my comment. Flooding science threads with angry diatribes regarding creationism disrupt the discussion of the topic at hand. If you wish to 'witness' I'm sure you can find a door to knock on.
57 posted on 08/14/2003 5:22:11 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: js1138; All
Noncomplying, flamewar starting, trolling poster in the thread placemarker.
58 posted on 08/14/2003 5:39:17 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: All
For your information
:
Many of the regulars on the science threads here on Free Republic have joined in the AGREEMENT OF THE WILLING to promote civil discourse and to avoid flame wars which lead to excessive use of the abuse button, transfer to the Smokey Backroom, and ultimately ... thread deletion.

In accordance with that agreement, several posters here have been asked politely to refrain from igniting flame wars. Some have declined to do so and thus, as provided in the agreement, we hereby advise that responding to any of the following named persons may lead to (or perpetuate) flame wars, and we therefore recommend ignoring their posts altogether or, at the minimum, proceeding with extreme caution.

Names of non-compliant trolls: ALS

59 posted on 08/14/2003 5:45:14 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Zero tolerance for provocateurs, trolls, spammers, and disruptors!)
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To: PatrickHenry; gore3000; AndrewC; conservababeJen; f.Christian; NewLand
What a complete pompous putz. I've only made one post in this thread and it wasn't to you.

You really must get over yourself and get a life.

You just broke the rules of this forum:

Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government. If these are not your goals, you may find another discussion site more suitable.

Do keep it clean - A bruise or two between Freepers is tolerable, but refrain from abusive attacks, engaging in senseless flame wars, and using profane language.

Don't jump threads - If you get involved in an argument in one thread, it's considered poor manners to restart the previous argument in the middle of an unrelated thread.

Don't be a whiner - If you really, really find Free Republic not to your liking, let the webmaster know directly, learn to live with it, or move along.
60 posted on 08/14/2003 6:36:37 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: DittoJed2
LOL, where did you learn your archeology, The Flintstones?
61 posted on 08/14/2003 6:41:32 PM PDT by Sofa King (-I am Sofa King- tired of liberal BS! http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/)
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To: Old Professer
Not everyone :)
62 posted on 08/14/2003 6:41:39 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (returned)
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To: nwrep
New Dinosaur Species Found in India

Patelasaurus

63 posted on 08/14/2003 6:51:33 PM PDT by varon
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To: varon
Guptasaurus?
64 posted on 08/14/2003 6:56:03 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: StolarStorm
"Flooding science threads with angry diatribes regarding creationism disrupt the discussion of the topic at hand."

I do not see anything of the sort here on this thread. Can you validate that charge, or withdraw it, please.

Thank you.

65 posted on 08/14/2003 6:58:30 PM PDT by NewLand (The truth can't be ignored...)
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To: StolarStorm
the scientific method.

We need a cult watch - REALITY WAKE UP CALL - with the evo witness fanatics who won't discuss or explain their ideology at all --- just cram it down everyone's throat !

Stuffed goose science ... premature coronation (( glorification )) of liberal theology and gods of conservative science - thought ...

reminds me of napoleans -- emperors ---

in china THEY CALL THEM DIRT EMPERORS (( raving lunatics )) !

Spectator article by Peter Hitchens ...

"After the case of Dr David Kelly and all that has followed, this is not terribly reassuring. Others might suggest that democracy itself is the rock on which our society is built. But democracy, without the restraint of law and tradition, easily turns into a tyranny of the majority. It has no special virtue of its own, and with its intolerance of minorities and its tendency to elective dictatorship and crowd-pleasing it often threatens liberty, without which democracy is not all that much use. The Thatcherites seemed to think that the market could replace religion, a folly that hastened their downfall and left them morally and culturally empty. As for the left-wing virtues of the egalitarian social conscience, unlike individual conscience this tends to lead people to think that their acts of power and war are justified, not restrained, by the higher good they serve."

"In many ways they are ... more autocratic — if they get the chance — then any mediaeval Christian monarch would have dared to be. History, they proclaim, will forgive them."

Our choice is ...

# 1 - the invisible hand --- ' markets ' --- religious LIBERTY ...

or ...

# 2 - the sock puppets ... social engineers - freaks with the iron (( pink )) fist (( 3rdwayers - liberals )) !

In England - Australia ... classical conservatives are aptly call liberals which is accurate ---

the social engineers require activism - FORCE (( nazis )) and are called socialists - conservatives - ' reformers ' - CONTROLLERS - REPRESSION !

America is going to have to choose ... if we are going to be a # 2 soviet or --- a # 1 republican - free state !

66 posted on 08/14/2003 7:02:57 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: NewLand
That's OK Newland, we have come to expect that.
67 posted on 08/14/2003 7:10:52 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: StolarStorm
no belief (or understanding) of the scientific method

Ask yourself if the following criteria apply to the group you are concerned about.

A ... * destructive cult * ... tends to be ... * totalitarian * ... in its ... * control * ... of its members' behavior.

Cults are likely to * dictate * in great detail not only what members believe, but also what members wear and eat, when and where members work, sleep, and bathe, and how members think, speak, and conduct familial, marital, or sexual relationships.

A destructive cult tends to have an * ethical double standard * .

Members are urged to be obedient to the cult, to carefully * follow cult rules * . They are also encouraged to be revealing and open in the group, confessing all to the leaders. On the other hand, outside the group they are encouraged to act unethically, manipulating outsiders or nonmembers, and either deceiving them or simply revealing very little about themselves or the group. In contrast to destructive cults, * honorable groups * teach members to abide by one set of ethics and act ethically and truthfully to all people in all situations.

A destructive cult has only two basic purposes: recruiting new members and fund- raising. Altruistic movements, established religions, and other * honorable groups * also recruit and raise funds. However, these actions are incidental to an honorable group's main purpose of improving the lives of its members and of humankind in general. Destructive cults may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality such claims are superficial and only serve as gestures or fronts for recruiting and fund-raising. A cult's real goal is to increase the prestige and often the wealth of the leader.

A destructive cult appears to be innovative and exclusive. The leader claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and * instituting the ONLY viable system * for change that will solve life's problems or the world's ills. But these * claims are empty * and only used to recruit members who are then surreptitiously subjected to * mind control * to inhibit their ability to examine the actual validity of the claims of the leader and the cult.

A destructive cult is * authoritarian * in its power structure. The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. He or she may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader's wishes. There is no appeal outside his or her system to a greater system of justice. For example, if a schoolteacher feels unjustly treated by a principal, an appeal can be made to the superintendent. In a destructive cult, the leader claims to have the only and final ruling on all matters.

A destructive cult's leader is a self-appointed messianic person claiming to have a special mission in life. For example, leaders of flying saucer cults claim that beings from outer space have commissioned them to lead people away from Earth, so that only the leaders can save them (( republican party )) from impending doom (( fundies // TROLLS )).

* A destructive cult's leader centers the veneration of members upon himself or herself. *

Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and other leaders of genuinely altruistic movements focus the veneration of adherents on God or a set of ethical principles.

* Cult leaders, in contrast, keep the focus of love, devotion, and allegiance on themselves</>. *

* A destructive cult's leader tends to be determined, domineering, and charismatic. *

Such a leader effectively persuades followers to abandon or alter their families, friends, and careers to follow the cult.

The leader then * takes control * over followers' possessions, money, time, and lives.

Senator Goldwater

fC ...

This what happens when ideology obliterates reality ...

orc patrol - watch !

It' s a travesty --- a total fallacy to conform physical sciences to only a subjective * animal * - * material * frame of reference ... evolution has become a form of tribalism --- canibalism --- mindnaping --- slavery !

Troll overlords on the march alert !

68 posted on 08/14/2003 7:15:09 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: NewLand
Oh Puleeze... Read about any thread that covers geology, dinosaurs, genetics, astrophysics... and so forth.

I'm still trying to figure out if the 'tour de force' below your post fits as an example. Frankly I have no idea what that disjointed opus is saying. Not that it matters. I don't really care. I'm not interested in entering into a debate b/w science and myth.

I simply would appreciate the opportunity to read threads about a scientific topic WITHOUT being inundated with nonsense. Too much to ask I guess. As not to continue contributing to the noise, I will longer comment on this issue.

69 posted on 08/14/2003 7:15:32 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: PatrickHenry; gore3000; AndrewC; NewLand; f.Christian; conservababeJen
You've also broken your own rules which you MUST comply with:

Effective August 9, 2003, we, the undersigned, freely and in good faith agree that henceforth we shall treat others on these threads as we wish to be treated ourselves.

"We will not deliberately provoke another to engage in improper conduct. We will not conspire against, scheme or bait any poster for any reason"

7. Decorum: We will endeavor to be considerate to other posters and Lurkers.

8. Disclosure: We will not bring an accusation against another poster or his beliefs without also bringing, on the same post, the evidence for that accusation.


A. If we accuse a poster of lying, we will at the same time present the allegedly untrue statement and the specific reasons why the poster should have known it was untrue.

B. If we describe a belief as silly, we will show why we believe that to be true.

C. We will not question another poster’s motives or accuse him of trolling, disrupting, etc. without specific evidence.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/960260/posts

Now you MUST admit your error and apologize:
10. Errors: When we are wrong about a factual matter or in our conduct, we will acknowledge it.
70 posted on 08/14/2003 7:15:39 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: StolarStorm
Perhaps you need to go make your own discussion forum where you can ban all thoughts but your own.

Ann Coulter:
"Conservatives, by and large believe in God, and liberals believe they are gods," came the reply.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33427
71 posted on 08/14/2003 7:18:19 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: All
Bailing out for the evening.

Nothing here but Irrelevant Naked Tractionless Trolls with no place to go.

72 posted on 08/14/2003 7:19:16 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Zero tolerance for provocateurs, trolls, spammers, and disruptors!)
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To: PatrickHenry; All
Just As a reminder to those that are complying and noncomplying. And to bring up to speed those that have NOT yet seen or agreed to the agreement.

I ask you to read the following from the agreement.

] 5 Language Restraint We will not use obscene or belittling words to describe another complying poster or whatever that poster believes; however, merely factual or logical criticism and rebuttal shall never be considered "obscene or belittling."

If one of us notices another poster creating problems on the thread, we may post a warning in behalf of all of us, to the effect of: "Hey X, that post of yours [number 123] was a bit provocative. You know we have rules about disrupting (or whatever). I understand that you're momentarily swept up in the debate, but please restrain yourself."

Or: [in lieu of the 2nd sentence in bold] "Under our agreement, the actions of provocateurs, trolls, spammers, and disruptors are prohibited, as is the use of obscene or belittling words to describe another poster or his beliefs."

After having made such a good faith attempt to bring the offending poster into compliance, if the problematic poster continues in the offending behavior we may post a warning (such as: "Don't feed the trolls!") to other posters that the problematic party has chosen not to comply. If the problem persists, the offender may thereafter be called a provocateur, troll, spammer, or disruptor, and doing so will not be a violation of this agreement.

As everyone can PLAINLY see, we are within the constraints of the agreement by pointing out obviously trollish behavior and namecalling from a consistently trolling, namecalling and flamewar inciting, NONcomplying poster.

Therefore, we are indeed in compliance by pointing out a certain posters CONSISTENT behavior.

His first post in this thread was a DIRECT attack, as usual, as soon as the consistency showed itself, we were within our rights to point out said poster as a Troller and disruptor. If on the other hand he had NOT attacked and instead actually added something to the discussion, we would have left said poster alone.

Thank you for your attention, now on to your regularly scheduled scientific thread.
73 posted on 08/14/2003 7:26:08 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: StolarStorm
I completely understand...but I don't see a lot of science being discussed on most of these threads, even without the 'witnesses' in attendance.
74 posted on 08/14/2003 7:28:31 PM PDT by NewLand (The truth can't be ignored...)
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To: ALS
Like I said ... I signed on to the agreement just to see if the evos could discuss their beliefs w / o a blowout --- impossible !

Flakes can't handle reality - truth when they're only hypeing bias - schlock !

They don't have an inkling or understanding in what they are doing - believing - preaching ... rote ideology --- trojan straw - stick ass and they call it science !
76 posted on 08/14/2003 7:39:29 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: f.Christian
bloviating is not science...

pass it on
77 posted on 08/14/2003 7:43:42 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: f.Christian
"rote ideology --- trojan straw - stick ass and they call it science "

Are you feeling ok? Might want to go in for a check up. You're rambling a bit.
78 posted on 08/14/2003 7:44:17 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: DittoJed2
By the way, dinosaurs were reptiles as are lizards. Lizards are ectotherms, not just "cold-blooded". Their body temperature varies.

There's evidence that most were endotherms. Their bones don't show the ring-patterns common in ectotherms. They are more similar to some of the large fishes that are endothermic.
79 posted on 08/14/2003 7:45:12 PM PDT by gitmo (Moderation in all things? Isn't that a little extreme?)
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To: StolarStorm
"rote ideology --- trojan straw - stick - plaster - mache ass (( horse )) and they call that DOG science "

80 posted on 08/14/2003 7:51:50 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: All
Just Enjoying Science Under Scrutiny … placemarker
81 posted on 08/14/2003 7:51:53 PM PDT by NewLand (The truth can't be ignored...)
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To: DittoJed2
Dinosaurs were just big lizards and very likely lived with human beings.

There's no evidence of that which I know of, perhaps you do. BC comic strips don't count.

82 posted on 08/14/2003 7:58:18 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Aric2000; PatrickHenry; Junior; Alamo-Girl; Nakatu X; DittoJed2
Are you serious? Though you may not agree with him, the person you have attacked as a disruptor has staked out a position and is defending it. Others and now you, by this flimsy attempt at justifying the ridicule, have committed a breach of your own agreement, by using the troll loophole. You have now used it twice. This one the most egregious of the two. He called no one names. He stated an unpopular position, clarified it and then defended it. Others have ridiculed him from the sidelines and then labelled him a troll for exercising the right of expressing opinion and defending it. I ask that the name callers cease their attacks, apologize. If this is not done then I will consider calling an abuse in light of the agreement to stop such behavior.
83 posted on 08/14/2003 8:05:56 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Aric2000
As everyone can PLAINLY see, we are within the constraints of the agreement by pointing out obviously trollish behavior and namecalling from a consistently trolling, namecalling and flamewar inciting, NONcomplying poster.

The agreement was to promote civil behavior towards all:

We will not conspire against, scheme or bait any poster for any reason.

Therefore you and Patrick Henry have violated the agreement, have engaged in disruptive behavior and are therefore to be considered trolls.

84 posted on 08/14/2003 8:09:21 PM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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To: gitmo
What species of fish are endothermic?
85 posted on 08/14/2003 8:09:58 PM PDT by Sofa King (-I am Sofa King- tired of liberal BS! http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/)
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To: AndrewC
Free speech is a problem for you. You should start your own discussion club in your closet where it's relatively safe.



That was an attack on a poster Andrew, and therefore per the agreement I am in full compliance.

You will get NO apology from me, get an apology from the offending poster.

That was OUTRIGHT trollish behavior trying to start a flamewar, you wish to discuss it further, please move it to the phoebe thread.
86 posted on 08/14/2003 8:10:23 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: gore3000
See post 86
87 posted on 08/14/2003 8:11:16 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: AndrewC
If someone is a troll, then it should be self-manifest. It shouldn't be necessary to step in and announce that ALS is a troll. For this reason, the "troll" clause, while well-meaning, is abused by both sides (the evo side more often)...

Troll-calling should be safe, legal, and rare. Newbies to the agreement will rapidly realize, whether by private correspondence or personal observation, that Poster X is a troll. There aren't really that many true trolls... perhaps 2, 3. Better to let a few trolls go unnoticed than to have a troll-name-calling-frenzy. I think it'd serve our purposes much better if we let others figure it out for themselves... even if the list-o-trolls isn't expressly forbidden within the agreement, it is nonetheless provocative...
88 posted on 08/14/2003 8:17:53 PM PDT by Nataku X (Never give Bush any power you wouldn't want to give to Hillary.)
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To: Aric2000
That was OUTRIGHT trollish behavior trying to start a flamewar

Yup, and your friend Patrick tried to start it by calling someone a troll. Of course as is usual with him, he left a turd on the thread and went to sleep.

89 posted on 08/14/2003 8:28:26 PM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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To: PatrickHenry; AndrewC
I've put my finger on it. The part that makes it look bad is not calling ALS a troll, but rather, giving the impression that ALS is an "official" troll under the agreement banner--without some sort of consultation/vote. AFAIK, only one or two creationist posters would agree that he is intentionally disruptive.... you know?
90 posted on 08/14/2003 8:29:05 PM PDT by Nataku X (Never give Bush any power you wouldn't want to give to Hillary.)
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To: Nakatu X
There is no provision to outright call anyone a troll.

"After having made such a good faith attempt to bring the offending poster into compliance, if the problematic poster continues in the offending behavior we may post a warning (such as: "Don't feed the trolls!") to other posters that the problematic party has chosen not to comply. If the problem persists, the offender may thereafter be called a provocateur, troll, spammer, or disruptor, and doing so will not be a violation of this agreement."

This was not done. I made only one post and it was not to him. There was no call to call me names unless the intent is to cast aspersions on my character in order to gain credibility for himself at my expense.
Please note how utterly ridiculous it is to sanction name calling in an agreement that is supposed to bring the signer into compliance with fostering good will in threads as it clearly shows here:
"Effective August 9, 2003, we, the undersigned, freely and in good faith agree that henceforth we shall treat others on these threads as we wish to be treated ourselves."

91 posted on 08/14/2003 8:35:53 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: Aric2000
See post 86

See what? Dishonesty? I have seen enough of it from you, Patrick and your fellow evolutionists.

92 posted on 08/14/2003 8:39:00 PM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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To: Aric2000
That was an attack on a poster Andrew, and therefore per the agreement I am in full compliance.

Did you see ALS as an addressee in my post? Did you see a DittoJed2 as an addressee? Now follow the thread back from Post 56. It goes 56-51-46-43-28. Now who is being discussed? But wait a minute, here is a post about that who.

To: Junior

Medved lives!

34 posted on 08/14/2003 2:13 PM CDT by PatrickHenry
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Is this not a gratuitous and disruptive comment in its context? Now back to the chain which leads to ALS comment. I agree with ALS in light of the belittling of DittoJed2 and especially due to this barb from post 51 ---who have no belief (or understanding) of the scientific method

. I do understand the scientific method. I also understand logic and not the Marilyn Monroe kind.

93 posted on 08/14/2003 8:45:39 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Nakatu X
I was unaware of your posts prior to my post 93. Please read the post and why I consider the comments on DittoJed2 and ALS egregious.
94 posted on 08/14/2003 8:49:16 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
I did not interject a thing until that post by the KNOWN troller.

If you were offended by the Medved remark, then perhaps you should have responded to it, instead of defending a known, tried and true disruptive trollish, flamewar starting poster.

Perhaps? just maybe?

Again, if you wish to discuss this further, please take it to the phoebe thread.

There WAS a science discussion going on here.
95 posted on 08/14/2003 8:54:16 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
There WAS a science discussion going on here.

Yes, until a series of medved comments and another gratuitous comment at post 51 were made.

96 posted on 08/14/2003 8:57:35 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the very interesting ping, Patrick.
97 posted on 08/14/2003 9:10:32 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (It's a campaign about 'change'…the most plausible mass-appeal 'change' candidate: Arnold *Mark Steyn)
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To: AndrewC
To: PatrickHenry

It would be nice if the creationists would simply stop trying to 'witness' on the science threads. Discussions regarding a purely scientific topic do not require any input from those who have no belief (or understanding) of the scientific method. They should feel free to discuss creationism all they want on threads dedicated to that topic.


51 posted on 08/14/2003 1:19 PM PDT by StolarStorm

How patronizing -- insulting !

It would be nice if the evolutionists would simply stop trying to ' prosyletize ' evolution and liberalism on the FR . Discussions regarding a purely stated conservative agenda do not require any input from those who have no belief (or understanding) of the conservative objective method and principles. They should feel free to discuss evolutionism all they want on sites dedicated to socialism.
98 posted on 08/14/2003 9:11:11 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Only 55% of Scientists reportedly believe in Darwinian evolution.

Cite, please.

Gallup Poll. 1997.

Many many years ago most scientists believed the earth was flat

Which scientists, when?

I was going to say Scientists in the middle ages since the majority of folks in the middle ages were reported to have believed that the earth was flat. But, upon further research, it appears that the flat earth theory was something concocted in the 1800s to tag Christians with- something wholly without proof. So I withdraw that statement but keep the point that I was making. Scientists are continually putting forth their views on things only to find out so often that they are totally and completely wrong. Just because a majority of scientists subscribe to something does NOT make it a fact.

(incidentally, the Bible has always claimed the earth was round).
Round, as in a flat disk.


Since there is no proof that Christians believed in a flat earth at any point in time, and since it has become evident that liabelous flat earth tag can't be found towards Christians before 1830, saying that Christians believed the earth was a flat disk is just idiotic and shows extreme prejudice on your part. The Bible says the earth is round. Christians believe the Bible.

These theories range anywhere from the traditional big-bang primordial soup gig to panspermia (which is a position held by DNA co-founder Francis Crick stating that the world shows intelligent design, but OBVIOUSLY we can't admit God could have done all this, so the aliens came here millions and millions of years ago and planted seeds- boy that's science!

Crick wrote one paper discussing the possibility of panspermia. He has not to my knowledge ever stated the world shows intelligent design.

What in the sam-hill do you think panspermia is supposed to be saying? That Crick believes that earth grew out of non-intelligent life forms like ROCKS?????? No, that's just what the big-bang folks believe.
99 posted on 08/14/2003 9:12:44 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: Junior
The evidence includes drawings of dinosaurs in caves and on pottery. Possible footprints of dinosaurs and humans in the same layer of sediment (though some doubt the veracity of this evidence). Stories of "dragons" who have the characteristics of dinosaurs in nearly every culture (The word "dinosaur" didn't even exist until the 1840s. What else are they gonna call them? Look at the description of what they say they saw and then compare them with what we know dinosaurs looked like). Possible sightings of dinosaurs living today in the Congo and the Amazon as well as in New Zealand and all over the world in waterways. And last, but not least, biblical descriptions of dinosaurs living during the time the Bible was written.
100 posted on 08/14/2003 9:17:19 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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