New Dinosaur Species Found in India

AP ^ | August 13, 2003 | RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM

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New Dinosaur Species Found in India

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By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM, Associated Press Writer

BOMBAY, India - U.S. and Indian scientists said Wednesday they have discovered a new carnivorous dinosaur species in India after finding bones in the western part of the country.

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The new dinosaur species was named Rajasaurus narmadensis, or "Regal reptile from the Narmada," after the Narmada River region where the bones were found.

The dinosaurs were between 25-30 feet long, had a horn above their skulls, were relatively heavy and walked on two legs, scientists said. They preyed on long-necked herbivorous dinosaurs on the Indian subcontinent during the Cretaceous Period at the end of the dinosaur age, 65 million years ago.

"It's fabulous to be able to see this dinosaur which lived as the age of dinosaurs came to a close," said Paul Sereno, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago. "It was a significant predator that was related to species on continental Africa, Madagascar and South America."

Working with Indian scientists, Sereno and paleontologist Jeff Wilson of the University of Michigan reconstructed the dinosaur skull in a project funded partly by the National Geographic (news - web sites) Society.

A model of the assembled skull was presented Wednesday by the American scientists to their counterparts from Punjab University in northern India and the Geological Survey of India during a Bombay news conference.

Scientists said they hope the discovery will help explain the extinction of the dinosaurs and the shifting of the continents — how India separated from Africa, Madagascar, Australia and Antarctica and collided with Asia.

The dinosaur bones were discovered during the past 18 years by Indian scientists Suresh Srivastava of the Geological Survey of India and Ashok Sahni, a paleontologist at Punjab University.

When the bones were examined, "we realized we had a partial skeleton of an undiscovered species," Sereno said.

The scientists said they believe the Rajasaurus roamed the Southern Hemisphere land masses of present-day Madagascar, Africa and South America.

"People don't realize dinosaurs are the only large-bodied animal that lived, evolved and died at a time when all continents were united," Sereno said.

The cause of the dinosaurs' extinction is still debated by scientists. The Rajasaurus discovery may provide crucial clues, Sereno said.

India has seen quite a few paleontological discoveries recently.

In 1997, villagers discovered about 300 fossilized dinosaur eggs in Pisdura, 440 miles northeast of Bombay, that Indian scientists said were laid by four-legged, long-necked vegetarian creatures.

Indian scientists said the dinosaur embryos in the eggs may have suffocated during volcanic eruptions.

[NewLand]

Just Enjoying Science Under Scrutiny … placemarker

[Dog Gone]

Dinosaurs were just big lizards and very likely lived with human beings.

There's no evidence of that which I know of, perhaps you do. BC comic strips don't count.

[AndrewC]

Are you serious? Though you may not agree with him, the person you have attacked as a disruptor has staked out a position and is defending it. Others and now you, by this flimsy attempt at justifying the ridicule, have committed a breach of your own agreement, by using the troll loophole. You have now used it twice. This one the most egregious of the two. He called no one names. He stated an unpopular position, clarified it and then defended it. Others have ridiculed him from the sidelines and then labelled him a troll for exercising the right of expressing opinion and defending it. I ask that the name callers cease their attacks, apologize. If this is not done then I will consider calling an abuse in light of the agreement to stop such behavior.

[gore3000]

As everyone can PLAINLY see, we are within the constraints of the agreement by pointing out obviously trollish behavior and namecalling from a consistently trolling, namecalling and flamewar inciting, NONcomplying poster.

The agreement was to promote civil behavior towards all:

We will not conspire against, scheme or bait any poster for any reason.

Therefore you and Patrick Henry have violated the agreement, have engaged in disruptive behavior and are therefore to be considered trolls.

[Sofa King]

What species of fish are endothermic?

[Aric2000]

Free speech is a problem for you. You should start your own discussion club in your closet where it's relatively safe.



That was an attack on a poster Andrew, and therefore per the agreement I am in full compliance.

You will get NO apology from me, get an apology from the offending poster.

That was OUTRIGHT trollish behavior trying to start a flamewar, you wish to discuss it further, please move it to the phoebe thread.

[Aric2000]

See post 86

[Nataku X]

If someone is a troll, then it should be self-manifest. It shouldn't be necessary to step in and announce that ALS is a troll. For this reason, the "troll" clause, while well-meaning, is abused by both sides (the evo side more often)...

Troll-calling should be safe, legal, and rare. Newbies to the agreement will rapidly realize, whether by private correspondence or personal observation, that Poster X is a troll. There aren't really that many true trolls... perhaps 2, 3. Better to let a few trolls go unnoticed than to have a troll-name-calling-frenzy. I think it'd serve our purposes much better if we let others figure it out for themselves... even if the list-o-trolls isn't expressly forbidden within the agreement, it is nonetheless provocative...

[gore3000]

That was OUTRIGHT trollish behavior trying to start a flamewar

Yup, and your friend Patrick tried to start it by calling someone a troll. Of course as is usual with him, he left a turd on the thread and went to sleep.

[Nataku X]

I've put my finger on it. The part that makes it look bad is not calling ALS a troll, but rather, giving the impression that ALS is an "official" troll under the agreement banner--without some sort of consultation/vote. AFAIK, only one or two creationist posters would agree that he is intentionally disruptive.... you know?

[ALS]

There is no provision to outright call anyone a troll.

"After having made such a good faith attempt to bring the offending poster into compliance, if the problematic poster continues in the offending behavior we may post a warning (such as: "Don't feed the trolls!") to other posters that the problematic party has chosen not to comply. If the problem persists, the offender may thereafter be called a provocateur, troll, spammer, or disruptor, and doing so will not be a violation of this agreement."

This was not done. I made only one post and it was not to him. There was no call to call me names unless the intent is to cast aspersions on my character in order to gain credibility for himself at my expense.
Please note how utterly ridiculous it is to sanction name calling in an agreement that is supposed to bring the signer into compliance with fostering good will in threads as it clearly shows here:
"Effective August 9, 2003, we, the undersigned, freely and in good faith agree that henceforth we shall treat others on these threads as we wish to be treated ourselves."

[gore3000]

See post 86

See what? Dishonesty? I have seen enough of it from you, Patrick and your fellow evolutionists.

[AndrewC]

That was an attack on a poster Andrew, and therefore per the agreement I am in full compliance.

Did you see ALS as an addressee in my post? Did you see a DittoJed2 as an addressee? Now follow the thread back from Post 56. It goes 56-51-46-43-28. Now who is being discussed? But wait a minute, here is a post about that who.

To: Junior

Medved lives!

34 posted on 08/14/2003 2:13 PM CDT by PatrickHenry
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Is this not a gratuitous and disruptive comment in its context? Now back to the chain which leads to ALS comment. I agree with ALS in light of the belittling of DittoJed2 and especially due to this barb from post 51 ---who have no belief (or understanding) of the scientific method

. I do understand the scientific method. I also understand logic and not the Marilyn Monroe kind.

[AndrewC]

I was unaware of your posts prior to my post 93. Please read the post and why I consider the comments on DittoJed2 and ALS egregious.

[Aric2000]

I did not interject a thing until that post by the KNOWN troller.

If you were offended by the Medved remark, then perhaps you should have responded to it, instead of defending a known, tried and true disruptive trollish, flamewar starting poster.

Perhaps? just maybe?

Again, if you wish to discuss this further, please take it to the phoebe thread.

There WAS a science discussion going on here.

[AndrewC]

There WAS a science discussion going on here.

Yes, until a series of medved comments and another gratuitous comment at post 51 were made.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Thanks for the very interesting ping, Patrick.

[f.Christian]

To: PatrickHenry

It would be nice if the creationists would simply stop trying to 'witness' on the science threads. Discussions regarding a purely scientific topic do not require any input from those who have no belief (or understanding) of the scientific method. They should feel free to discuss creationism all they want on threads dedicated to that topic.


51 posted on 08/14/2003 1:19 PM PDT by StolarStorm

How patronizing -- insulting !

It would be nice if the evolutionists would simply stop trying to ' prosyletize ' evolution and liberalism on the FR . Discussions regarding a purely stated conservative agenda do not require any input from those who have no belief (or understanding) of the conservative objective method and principles. They should feel free to discuss evolutionism all they want on sites dedicated to socialism.

[DittoJed2]

Only 55% of Scientists reportedly believe in Darwinian evolution.

Cite, please.
Gallup Poll. 1997.

Many many years ago most scientists believed the earth was flat

Which scientists, when?
I was going to say Scientists in the middle ages since the majority of folks in the middle ages were reported to have believed that the earth was flat. But, upon further research, it appears that the flat earth theory was something concocted in the 1800s to tag Christians with- something wholly without proof. So I withdraw that statement but keep the point that I was making. Scientists are continually putting forth their views on things only to find out so often that they are totally and completely wrong. Just because a majority of scientists subscribe to something does NOT make it a fact.

(incidentally, the Bible has always claimed the earth was round).
Round, as in a flat disk.

Since there is no proof that Christians believed in a flat earth at any point in time, and since it has become evident that liabelous flat earth tag can't be found towards Christians before 1830, saying that Christians believed the earth was a flat disk is just idiotic and shows extreme prejudice on your part. The Bible says the earth is round. Christians believe the Bible.

These theories range anywhere from the traditional big-bang primordial soup gig to panspermia (which is a position held by DNA co-founder Francis Crick stating that the world shows intelligent design, but OBVIOUSLY we can't admit God could have done all this, so the aliens came here millions and millions of years ago and planted seeds- boy that's science!

Crick wrote one paper discussing the possibility of panspermia. He has not to my knowledge ever stated the world shows intelligent design.
What in the sam-hill do you think panspermia is supposed to be saying? That Crick believes that earth grew out of non-intelligent life forms like ROCKS?????? No, that's just what the big-bang folks believe.

[DittoJed2]

The evidence includes drawings of dinosaurs in caves and on pottery. Possible footprints of dinosaurs and humans in the same layer of sediment (though some doubt the veracity of this evidence). Stories of "dragons" who have the characteristics of dinosaurs in nearly every culture (The word "dinosaur" didn't even exist until the 1840s. What else are they gonna call them? Look at the description of what they say they saw and then compare them with what we know dinosaurs looked like). Possible sightings of dinosaurs living today in the Congo and the Amazon as well as in New Zealand and all over the world in waterways. And last, but not least, biblical descriptions of dinosaurs living during the time the Bible was written.