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Ben Franklin Quote - Your feedback please
August 14, 2003

Posted on 08/14/2003 2:56:23 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP

"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

-- Benjamin Franklin



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Please comment on the above quote attributed to Ben Franklin.

Note: The above quote was sent to me by the daughter of my friend. With the quote was an explanation:

I have an essay assignment due Monday morning. I'm supposed to interview people and get their thoughts on this quote. Mom has loaned me her email address book which is full of smart people. Can you help me? What does this quote mean to you? Do you agree with it? Or disagree with it?

Please provide your feedback/opinion and I will make sure the daughter gets them.

Thank you Good Freepers !!


1 posted on 08/14/2003 2:56:24 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
BUMP for further thought and response later.
2 posted on 08/14/2003 3:10:07 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: MeeknMing
continue to trash the public school system,as we are,the later will come to be.......
3 posted on 08/14/2003 3:13:12 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Alamo-Girl; onyx; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; dixiechick2000; SusanUSA; ...
Can you give me your opinion ? Thanks in advance !


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.

4 posted on 08/14/2003 3:15:52 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: MeeknMing
That is good quote!! Where did you find it?? Freerepublic has solid resources. Where did they find all those resources.
5 posted on 08/14/2003 3:16:54 AM PDT by Brooklyn_Park_MD (Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est)
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To: MeeknMing
I heard Ben Franklin was impeached for breaking into some Watering-gate.

I want my MTV!

6 posted on 08/14/2003 3:17:16 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: MeeknMing
There is another book that mentions, "People die for lack of knowledge." I'm not sure she could mention that book: Proverbs. There was another quote in the movie, Excalibur, which most likely originated from Shakespear. Not sure the words are exact: "It is the bane of men that they forget."

This is a powerful and important quote. When people forget the importance of free speech and gun rights, when they forget the driving motivation of property ownership, then the results can easilly be predicted by historians. Look at England's rise in crime. Look at how easilly the nazis herded the disarmed Jews to concentration camps. Look all over the world, and see how dictators rise to power because the people are unarmed, and then the dictators stay in power because the people are unable to communicate with each other legally.

Freedom is the exception. Tyranny is the norm. That is because free speech is the exception, and gun control is the norm.

But when free speech and the right to bear arms is abused, the one breaking the law threatens that right. If 10% of the people woke up tomorrow, and that 10% began slandering others and shooting others with guns, we might lose our freedom.
7 posted on 08/14/2003 3:18:33 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Nazi, liberal, what's the difference? Liberals are worse.)
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To: MeeknMing
In the context of the American slave trade, this truth is clearly observed. The Gospel took hold among the black population. Over time, the revelation of freedom which comes only from God, crushed the bondage of their masters. Ironically, it was their masters who encouraged the preaching of the Gospel, as they thought it would make them more compliant to their authority. But the truth became rooted and grew into a quiet but immovable belief in the intrinsic nobility of every man.

Communism (state worship) and all forms of false idolatry shall wither before the same force.

8 posted on 08/14/2003 3:22:45 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Support real tax reform - HR 25! See http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Freedom is the exception. Tyranny is the norm. That is because free speech is the exception, and gun control is the norm.

And the income tax is the economic equivalent of gun control.

--Chris Ovrtaxt! Bernardo :p

9 posted on 08/14/2003 3:25:40 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Support real tax reform - HR 25! See http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: MeeknMing
that quote points out the best reason for keeping the rulers (ie, the government) out of the business of education.
10 posted on 08/14/2003 3:31:58 AM PDT by tomakaze
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To: MeeknMing
"What does this quote mean to you? Do you agree with it? Or disagree with it?"

"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

Rather straight forward.

Men who know and value freedom strive to keep that freedom.

Those that do not care, or are indifferent about that most basic of human rights, and others, become enslaved.

I couldn't agree more.

11 posted on 08/14/2003 3:32:57 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: G.Mason
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

This qoute should be the tale of two continents, Africa and North America, because the description couldn't be more apt. One promotes tyranny through ignorance and voilence and the other freedom.

12 posted on 08/14/2003 3:42:29 AM PDT by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: MeeknMing
This quatation explains why the left is dumbing down the schools and misleading the population, so that tyranny may reign, with them as the tyrants.
13 posted on 08/14/2003 3:42:50 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: G.Mason; SpookBrat
By golly, I think you've nailed it !!

14 posted on 08/14/2003 3:44:15 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: MeeknMing
A wonderful quotation! And as usual, Ben Franklin hits the nail on the head. He also said (paraphrased) that those who would give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither liberty nor security.

Carolyn

15 posted on 08/14/2003 3:45:31 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: MeeknMing
Information and the ability to question the person providing it. Without it we are intellectual slaves. The masters of misinformation have had free reign until recently.

The greatness of life is supported by the concept of freedom whose foundation is truth.

16 posted on 08/14/2003 4:00:24 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: MeeknMing
There are people in some regions of the world that have never known the freedoms we cherish. Some are born into this world and die without ever knowing such freedoms due to the restrictions that were placed upon them from birth.It depends where you are born as well as many other factors. Some people live their lives in countries who's rulers enslave them and forbid them from having many individual choices and freedoms,(Iraq/Saddam). If the desire is there for such freedom, once it is tasted, then people will rise up, demand it, fight for and be willing to die to obtain it. (It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins.)I'm tired right now!
17 posted on 08/14/2003 4:03:33 AM PDT by anglian
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To: MeeknMing
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

My take is this. Tragically, it is those who falsely, either deliberately or out of their own ignorance, claimed to speak for God or be God's representative on earth who were, until communism, the tyrannies. Men's limited knowledge of nature allowed others to manipulate and enslave them. "Hey guys, I just found out the gods will be angry and there will be no spring if we don't..."

Later, when more was known, they employed a "When you control a person's death, you control their life," strategy. If you don't act this way and behave like the King wants, you won't be attending any harp soirees in heaven.

18 posted on 08/14/2003 4:05:46 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: MeeknMing
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

My take is this. Tragically, it is those who falsely, either deliberately or out of their own ignorance, claimed to speak for God or be God's representative on earth who were, until communism, the tyrannies. Men's limited knowledge of nature allowed others to manipulate and enslave them. "Hey guys, I just found out the gods will be angry and there will be no spring if we don't..."

Later, when more was known, they employed a "When you control a person's death, you control their life," strategy. If you don't act this way and behave like the King wants, you won't be attending any harp soirees in heaven.

19 posted on 08/14/2003 4:07:30 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: MeeknMing
The question worded by the teacher for the education of this student, which the student is now asking us, ought not be, "What does this quote mean to you?" but rather, what does this quote MEAN period.

It should be an exercise in research - other Franklin and Founder quotes to back up the premise of the statement, a definition of terms, with historical references to the times - and an exercise in logic.

The survey the student is required to make is meaningless: "Do you agree with it? Or disagree with it?" This is not a scientifically conducted survey, so the answers she receives, i.e., "I am for it!" or "I am against it!" are meaningless even to the discussion of the statement's popular approval. The question is not even relevant to the statement's truth or falsity, but simply a matter of opinion. If the teacher were issuing an assignment in how to conduct a survey, the survey perameters/survey methodologies ought to be scientific.

My assignment would read like this:

Premise: "A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

Define the following in keeping with the time period in which Franklin lived:

nation
well-informed
taught
the rights which God has given
enslaved
the region of ignorance
tyranny

Defend or refute his premise with solid evidence, quotations from his peers, and use of the rules of logic:
Sample One
Sample Two

20 posted on 08/14/2003 4:13:27 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: MeeknMing
A nation -- means that we will need more than two or three folks; we need a majority or at least a large and active minority

of well informed men -- means we'll be needing folks with a good, solid, well-rounded education, a good selection of specialists in useful subjects, and a large dose of common sense all around.

who have been taught -- means we're gonna need folks who are well-informed and who prize knowledge, liberty, God, etc., and who are also able to teach; that is, to inspire the same in the rising generation

to know and prize -- means that folks will have to buckle down and learn, then go through whatever it takes to get to the place where they prize what they've learned

the rights which God has given them -- means that there are rights AND that they come from God; means that those rights are gonna be linked to moral behavior, reverence for the Almighty, his creations, and his creatures; means that once given they'll likely have to be cherished and defended because God seems not to be tolerant of those who take his gifts lightly

cannot be enslaved -- they will, however, be serving God; at peace with others who do the same, and interested in helping God extend these same benefits to those who do not enjoy them AND who are willing to do what it takes to get and keep them

Good idea to post that quote and ask for ideas

21 posted on 08/14/2003 4:18:21 AM PDT by aBootes
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To: .30Carbine
I hope you are an educator. May your tribe increase.
22 posted on 08/14/2003 4:20:31 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: aBootes
Old Ben didnt know about todays Liberals. Not all liberals are ignorant but they want to take our freedoms.

"A nation of well informed conservatives who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of Liberalism that tyranny begins."

This is the way Ben would say it today
23 posted on 08/14/2003 4:23:29 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: anniegetyourgun
All of us are educators. ( ;
24 posted on 08/14/2003 4:25:04 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: MeeknMing
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."
-- Benjamin Franklin

As another poster pointed out, if Franklin were alive today he would not support the federal department of education or any leader who advocated increasing it's size and scope.

This quote is straightforward. A person must be educated at home and in school in history, philosophy, and in civics to understand that individual liberty has been the rare exception throughout history.

He must further be educated to value liberty above everything else.

As Franklin predicted, the purpose of our dumbded down government schools is to produce citizens who simply don't know what they are missing. How can you resent the loss of liberty if you never knew you were intended to have it?

Here are a few more quotes on the topic:

“If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed.”
-- Thomas Jefferson

“If once they ["our people"] become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. “
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter from Paris, 1787

“A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the Liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their Liberties to the first external or internal invader. If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security.”
-- Samuel Adams

“What luck for rulers, that men do not think.”
-- Adolph Hitler

Regards

J.R.

25 posted on 08/14/2003 4:30:36 AM PDT by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: All
My thanks to ALL that have replied on this thread !!




26 posted on 08/14/2003 4:31:11 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: .30Carbine
"The question worded by the teacher for the education of this student, which the student is now asking us ........."

You ever heard of the KISS principle?

Don't answer that!

27 posted on 08/14/2003 4:35:01 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: MeeknMing
Didn't you know Ben Franklin wasn't a Christian, he and all the other founding father's, who wrote about God in every other sentence, were diests.
28 posted on 08/14/2003 4:41:18 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MeeknMing
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

That's certainly true, but I would argue that arrogance could just as easily be substituted for ignorance. This takes place in two general forms:

The first: Few people understand the nature of government (always grasping for greater power) and so a new entitlement seems well-intentioned. These folks assume that they can hold tight the reins of government; in fact that's not possible once you've let it loose. And after all...the bulk of it isn't their money. The money comes from "the rich", who are generally defined as "anyone who makes more money than I do". Arrogance.

The second: Those who commit blindly their allegiance to party and excuse any steps that party may take to limit their freedoms. It is the ultimate in arrogance to root for greater government power so long as you're the one behind the steering wheel.

29 posted on 08/14/2003 4:43:58 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Jemian
Ping for twelve hours from now.
30 posted on 08/14/2003 4:46:16 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: G.Mason
Those that do not care, or are indifferent about that most basic of human rights, and others, become enslaved

I believe you just defined the followers of the democratic party.

31 posted on 08/14/2003 5:01:07 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: MeeknMing
The intent of the constitution's creaters was that it be a document that could be understood and interpreted by the common man (or woman) of that time.

It was a constitution of, by and for the people.
It was not intended to be interpreted solely by the courts, nor was it intended to be amended solely by the legislator.
Thus, a jury of one's peers is required, and the jury is given the power to "nullify" unjust laws, and charges by refusing to convict the unjustly accused.
It is the people, who, in the end, decide whether the actions of the accused were justified, and whether the law under which he is accused is a just law.
Those rights are are being eroded by increasingly power hungry courts today.

Likewise, the constitution may not be amended without the approval of the people's representatives, being approved by two-thirds of the House and Senate and additionally, the rights of the individual states are protected by requiring that three-fourths of the state's legislatures ratify said amendment.

It is regrettable that, in our country's past, certain individuals in positions of power have usurped that right, and we now have controversy over some of those amendments, beginning with the "reconstruction amendments".(amends.13, 14, 15 )
The following amendments of Income Tax,(amend.16), and Senatorial appointment by popular vote.(amend.17).
( Take up your freindly World Almanac, and note the italic comments at the head of each amendment. Those noted as declared ratified are ALL in question. All other amendments make no such distinction. It simply states they were "ratified", ratification completed or certified. )

It is our duty, as citizens to be aware of what guarantees the constitution gives us, and and understand them.
Likewise, it is our duty to resist, and to end all such assaults upon those rights and liberties.
It is our duty to advise and remind our legislators, both local, state and federal, that we, the people, understand what the constitution is, what it says, and what it represents, and that we expect said legislators to abide by their oath to "support, uphold and defend" that constitution.

It is not the province of government to interfere in the practice of religious beliefs.
It is not the province of government to interfere in the right of self defense. (not of the nation, nor the community, nor of the individual.)
It is not the province of government to invade our homes or property without proper warrants, and properly provided evidence of probable cause.
It is not the province of government to interfere with the gathering of people, the presentation of greivances to the legislatures, for demands of redress for grievances.

"The Federalist Papers", a series of essays discussing the establishment of government, it's rights and responsibilities, and the rights of the individual states, and of the people, was published throughout the original states of the union, then under the U.S. Articles of Confederation.
These essays were read and discussed by every common man, even read to those that were not literate, in meeting halls, taverns, etc..
Every citizen was interested, and wanted to insure their interests were addressed, their newly won freedoms not lost.

We need to re-educate ourselves, before we experience the "tyranny" part of the quote.

32 posted on 08/14/2003 5:03:28 AM PDT by Drammach
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To: Puppage
"I believe you just defined the followers of the democratic party."

You know, [?] you're right.

Just shows what one can do, without even trying.

33 posted on 08/14/2003 5:18:21 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: MeeknMing
While I don't agree that rights are granted by some god; one point where ignorance takes root is when people start to believe rights are granted by governments.

Governments are there to protect rights, not grant them. Governments only grant powers and that is where the tyranny begins.
34 posted on 08/14/2003 5:33:25 AM PDT by LiberationIT (I'm having deja vu and amnesia; I think I've forgotten this before.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Communism (state worship) and all forms of false idolatry shall wither before the same force.

From beginning to end an excellent post.

35 posted on 08/14/2003 5:36:49 AM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: laredo44
laredo44,
I think you miss the point of this quote. It is those that know and prize the RIGHTS which GOD has given them that cannot be enslaved. Those rights, some of which are enumerated in the Bill of Rights, are about freedom. When you have ignorance about those rights and about Government then you have the tyranny that is our present government. The fourth Amendment is violated hundreds of thousands times a day in this country yet so many here act as if this government is doing just fine. There is no cause to violate the Constitution yet it is being done by the entity that is forbidden to do it.

Ravenstar
36 posted on 08/14/2003 5:37:35 AM PDT by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: MeeknMing
Awesome Meek. I have to take the girl child to the dentist and when we get back, we'll look over all these. You're the best.
37 posted on 08/14/2003 6:21:00 AM PDT by SpookBrat ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." Mother Teresa)
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To: MeeknMing
“A good example is the best sermon.” – Ben Franklin
38 posted on 08/14/2003 6:24:55 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: MeeknMing
Franklin is describing in the language of the times something people have always known--it is the ignorant and gullible who can be most easily manipulated by appeal to their emotions, avarice, and short term view of life. For example, intelligent, informed people don't outfit their apartment from the Rent to Own store. They're willing to defer gratification a relatively short time and get far better stuff for far less money. They don't wind up enslaved in debt. Politically speaking, intelligent, informed people know that you can't load the tax burden almost entirely on the productive citizens and expect them to remain productive. They also know that it isn't the government that is the fount from which all blessings flow but the creativity of an unfettered people. But the ignorant, give-it-to-me-now, folks don't want to hear that it depends on them, especially when they have politicians telling them they are victims and are due the substance of the "rich".
39 posted on 08/14/2003 6:37:58 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: MeeknMing
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

Without seeming to contemplate my navel here, it seems that this quote highlights the NEA/LIEberal agenda to a "T".

Johnny can't read...write....do simple math such as making change...but Johnny KNOWS that "Global Warming" is real (even though lifelong scientists in the field of ecology refute these politically based findings)...
...that condoms will stop AIDS (even though ABSTINENCE is 100% effective at stopping casual spreading of the disease, we can't teach THAT!!!)...
...Johnny KNOWS he's gay ( even though he never thought he was UNTIL he was indoctrinated into that mind-set)...
...and Johnny KNOWS that education is underfunded and needs tax increases to give him a "proper" education ( even though Johnny has not been taught economics, or Political Science that ISN'T slanted to the LIEberal side, or "Critical Thinking" as in finding out information for HIMSELF!).

Yes, Johnny is WELL on his course to having a collar around his neck, and a pierced ring thru his nose to be led by...oh, Johnny HAS tha already?

Then the work of those who wish to CONTROL all knowledge, and DESTROY the spark of freedom that resides in ALL men is almost done!

40 posted on 08/14/2003 7:17:21 AM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: MeeknMing
It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

Liberal media spin distorts the truth and keeps the masses ignorant of the truth.

41 posted on 08/14/2003 7:19:45 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Drammach
Nicely done!

Gum

42 posted on 08/14/2003 7:28:47 AM PDT by ChewedGum ( http://king-of-fools.blogspot.com)
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To: LiberationIT
Governments are there to protect rights, not grant them. Governments only grant powers and that is where the tyranny begins.

"How fortunate for Governments that people do not think."
- Adolf Hitler

43 posted on 08/14/2003 7:44:47 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: MeeknMing
""A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

Notice Mr. Franklin said, "...that tyranny begins." We are slowly being bread to be ignorant of our God-given rights. We are now being told that these rights are actually priveleges given to us by men. And if they are by given by men, they may also be slowly taken away. Sort of like setting a frog in a pot of cold water on the stove. Soon that pot is boiling and the frog cooked, and he never knew what happened.

44 posted on 08/14/2003 8:36:35 AM PDT by scan58
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To: Pontiac
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins."

-- Benjamin Franklin


Or in the words of our current congress:

"A nation of well manipulated idiots who have been taught to dispise God and their given rights have been enslaved. It is in the region of our public's ignorance that our supremecy begins."


45 posted on 08/14/2003 8:39:39 AM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: MeeknMing
I agree, Meekie. Our founding fathers were very wise.

About that 'informed public':

"We are seeing people being drawn into the madrasses (sp) schools - being trained in terrorism - how to kill other people - being led to believe that enough people have hijacked these schools and religions and - for whatever reason - convince others to kill..What's the end state? That there are fewer people being brought into those systems.  As successful as we are (in the DoD),..we have to be more successful in the war of ideas....The world will be a terrible place if they win - if nation-states are (so terrorized ) that they become tolerant - allow the training of (and rule by) terrorists within - it will change the world...The war also involved people's minds and ideas. That's terribly important." - SOD Rumsfeld, Townhall meeting for the DoD, Aug. 14,  2003.

"In general, the biggest shortcoming from Iraq to Afghanistan is not the accomplishment of the mission as much as it is getting the word out about the successes we're achieving every day."  -  Gen. Richard Myers, 8/05/03

Lack of accurate info, combined with a lack of understanding (bad schools, bad press, bad culture) is hurting our war efforts - hurting those who do understand, are informed and our risking their lives for the rest of us.

46 posted on 08/14/2003 9:03:06 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (~149,999 US troops won hearts and kicked butt w/ their fallen brother yesterday: www.centcom.mil)
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To: MeeknMing
(Please stick with me, I'm starting out with religious examples, but will get to my secular point...)

This concept is not new. It was true long before Ben Franklin:

Eve was deceived in the Garden of Eden, partly because she forgot exactly what God said.

In the Middle Ages, the Church held ultimate sway, because 1)there were very few copies of scripture available, and 2)the masses couldn't read a Bible if they had one. Therefore, leaders could tell followers whatever they "interpreted" the scripture to mean. The same thing happens today in many denominations (Episcopals this week) because God's people are ignorant of what is in God's word.

In today's America, citizens are ignorant of their rights under the Constitution. They are ignorant of opportunities. They are ignorant, in large part, because for the last 20-30 years, children have been grossly under-educated. More emphasis has been placed on "feeling" and not on facts.
If today's kids had been taught to reason and come to logical conclusions, to do their own reading and research, then they would be richer, healthier, smarter, and content. They would have enough initiative to take charge of their lives instead of feeling like helpless victims.

Many men and women today assume the role of leaders only because their followers will believe whatever they are told, and will not think for themselves. These followers are just as enslaved as if they were wearing chains on their hands and feet.
47 posted on 08/14/2003 9:15:40 AM PDT by HeadOn (The course of this nation does not depend on the decisions of others.)
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To: SpookBrat; All
Thank you ! I think there is a lot of good stuff to chew on here on this thread too.

Great responses overall I think !

Thanks again to ALL on this thread. Freepers are the best !!


48 posted on 08/14/2003 9:39:14 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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Most often, quotes by BF are so obvious in meaning! This one is food for thought.

I've read the entire thread and all of the posts are excellent.

My interpretation: Once men understand our God given rights of freedom (see Declaration of Independ.) then no man should ever permit another man or government to take-away what God has granted.
49 posted on 08/14/2003 10:01:09 AM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: Charles Martel
I'd not heard that one. Thanks.
50 posted on 08/14/2003 10:21:37 AM PDT by LiberationIT (I think therefore I'm worn out.)
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