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European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover)
TLC ^ | 8-14-2003 | blam

Posted on 08/14/2003 7:40:03 PM PDT by blam

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To: plusones
"Nah, the bodies were buried over a 1,300 year period."

Also, DNA shows that they were all closely related.

51 posted on 08/15/2003 7:02:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The world has a lot of people who don't seem to fit the expected mold.

I have seen a few Japanese who could almost, but not quite pass as Europeans.

Likewise, American Indians seem as different, for instance plains Indians, SouthWestern Indians, and Southeastern Indians don't look at all like each other.

54 posted on 08/15/2003 7:32:28 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: plusones
"... Maybe this is where the European legend of the land of eternal youth developed. Was it the vestigal remnant of memory of this place, prediscovered thousands of years before Cortez and Columbus etc bumped into the place?"

What an imagination...I like it. They said they recovered cloth/clothing that was as finely woven as present day T-shirts....unheard of for that time, anywhere in the world.

As to what was their ultimate fate, remember the Carolina Bays? (Impact Craters)

55 posted on 08/15/2003 7:37:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: yarddog
"I have seen a few Japanese who could almost, but not quite pass as Europeans."

Ainu - Jomon influences.

"Likewise, American Indians seem as different, for instance plains Indians, SouthWestern Indians, and Southeastern Indians don't look at all like each other."

Of all things, I read a study on ear wax...seems Europeans and Africans have a sticky wax and Asians have a flaky wax. Further...The Indians in the west (US) have predominately the flaky variety while the Indians in the east have the sticky kind. Who knows...

56 posted on 08/15/2003 7:47:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: plusones

Carolina Bays - There are 500,000 of these babies spread up and down the east coast of the US.

58 posted on 08/15/2003 8:19:09 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
There are blood type variations also.
59 posted on 08/15/2003 8:22:08 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: blam
Maybe the Mormons are right, and the people who lived in 'merica really were white until they rejected Jesus... or not.
61 posted on 08/15/2003 8:29:47 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Little Bill
"There are blood type variations also."

And teeth, dental features. Christy Turner (ASU) has done some excellent work in this area.

62 posted on 08/15/2003 8:36:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: xm177e2
"Maybe the Mormons are right, and the people who lived in 'merica really were white until they rejected Jesus... or not."

I swear, it's getting to the point where I don't completely dismiss any ideas.

63 posted on 08/15/2003 8:38:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: Myrddin
Yep! I've got the clone. How's about youse?
64 posted on 08/15/2003 10:19:39 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: blam
Friday afternoon bump.
65 posted on 08/29/2003 4:15:57 PM PDT by blam
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To: The Shootist
Apologies to Fireside Theatre.

Shouldn't that be Firesign Theatre?

66 posted on 09/02/2003 12:02:26 PM PDT by SubSailor (I think we're all bozos on this bus.)
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To: SubSailor
Yes.

67 posted on 09/02/2003 9:15:33 PM PDT by The Shootist
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To: blam
Does this mean we're the real "old Europe"?
68 posted on 09/03/2003 7:32:47 PM PDT by keats5
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To: keats5
"Does this mean we're the real "old Europe"?"

This find seems to indicate that.

69 posted on 09/03/2003 7:35:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: keats5
"Does this mean we're the real "old Europe"?"

This find seems to indicate that.

70 posted on 09/03/2003 7:37:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
ping
71 posted on 09/03/2003 7:37:58 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: blam
I think Glen Doran was wise to keep his 'work' below the radar (as he has) because they have a lot of data without the interference that Chatters had/has with Kennewick Man.(It's back in court, appeal)

When are the Seminoles going to come along and demand that the remains of their "ancestors" be re-interred?
72 posted on 09/03/2003 7:46:13 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: blam
Watch the PC-multicultural crowd try to bury this.
73 posted on 09/03/2003 7:51:34 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Antoninus
"When are the Seminoles going to come along and demand that the remains of their "ancestors" be re-interred?"

To late. They have DNA that show that these people are not Paleo-Indians. Although, I've had one Native American/American Indian FReeper tell me that who-ever was here, that's us! So...I don't know.

74 posted on 09/03/2003 7:53:46 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Bump cause this is darn interesting!

Especially as I have " European DNA.
75 posted on 09/05/2003 8:32:53 PM PDT by Kay Soze (Free Republic- gathering place for "go along to get along Republicans" & a few Conservatives.)
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To: blam
Thanks, I going to watch the program.
76 posted on 09/05/2003 8:37:04 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: blam
I completely dismiss Mormon ideas because they have some odd idea about regular sized horses being in the AMERICAS before the Spanish arrived.
77 posted on 09/05/2003 9:28:37 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Lion in Winter
"I completely dismiss Mormon ideas because they have some odd idea about regular sized horses being in the AMERICAS before the Spanish arrived."

Yup. Show me some skeletons. All the horses in the world originated in the Americas but, that was a long, long time ago.

Horse Evolution

78 posted on 09/05/2003 9:41:55 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Ancient lost civilizations bump.
79 posted on 09/06/2003 3:28:02 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: farmfriend
Please add me to your Ping List.

Thank you in advance.
80 posted on 09/09/2003 8:47:04 PM PDT by LPM1888 (You live and learn. Or you don't live long.)
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To: farmfriend
Would you please add me to your Ping list? Thank you in advance.



81 posted on 09/11/2003 5:03:10 PM PDT by LPM1888 (Freedom begins when you tell Mrs Grundy to go fly a kite)
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To: blam
Of all things, I read a study on ear wax...seems Europeans and Africans have a sticky wax and Asians have a flaky wax. Further...The Indians in the west (US) have predominately the flaky variety while the Indians in the east have the sticky kind. Who knows...

LOL! I'm part Indian with blood from more than one Tribe. Some days my ear wax is sticky and some days its flaky. That must be what they mean by half-breed!

82 posted on 09/11/2003 5:06:22 PM PDT by LPM1888 (Freedom begins when you tell Mrs Grundy to go fly a kite)
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To: LPM1888
I asked my MD if he had noticed any difference in different people's ear wax, he laughed, said no.
83 posted on 09/11/2003 5:17:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I suspect it has more to do with humidity, hydration levels, and the pizza eaten for supper than anything else.
84 posted on 09/11/2003 5:24:30 PM PDT by LPM1888 (Freedom begins when you tell Mrs Grundy to go fly a kite)
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To: blam
Thanks for the ping. Ever pick up a copy of Ancient Americans?
85 posted on 10/15/2003 10:57:28 PM PDT by rightofrush (right of Rush, and Buchanan too.)
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To: Lion in Winter
"I completely dismiss Mormon ideas because they have some odd idea about regular sized horses being in the AMERICAS before the Spanish arrived".


...That isn't even the oddist of their ideas.(Not even a close second)
86 posted on 10/15/2003 11:17:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: rightofrush
"Thanks for the ping. Ever pick up a copy of Ancient Americans?"

Yup. I'm a subscriber. Just got my latest copy yesterday. There's something really peculiar about the 'mound building' folks...who-ever they were.

87 posted on 10/16/2003 9:41:32 AM PDT by blam
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To: Renfield
See post #58. I remember that you said you had done some work involving the Carolina Bays and that they were natural bogs and not related to a meteorite and such. Why are they all oblong and seem to be oriented in the same direction? If they are naturally occuring bogs, I would expect their orientation to be random. They look as if something 'splattered' across the landscape.
88 posted on 10/19/2003 10:40:21 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
This is simple to answer. They are all pointing toward the coastline...i.e., downhill. Remember, most of these formed when the sea level was higher...imagine the coastline of the southeastern U.S., with Florida and lower coastal areas of the Carolinas and Georgia just lopped off. The coasline then was a gentle curve (with good topo or geologic maps, you can follow the old scarps which represented sea level stands at different eras). These bays are oriented toward the old coastlines.

I read an interesting paper several years ago about some reseach that had been done in Hellhole Bay, just inland from Charleston, SC. The geologists took a drill rig and ran deep-boring transects from the upland, across the bay, and back up the upland on the other side. The borings revealed that, during a previous low-water stand during the late Pliocene, the area under Hellhole Bay had been a river. During high-water stands (sea advancements) of the Pleistocene, the area had infilled with a new fluviomarine terrace. So they repeated the experiment on some other bays in the region, and found the same result. Now, you may not know this, but these infilled paleochannels act as conduits for groundwater flow to the ocean. The coastal plain is chock-full of these infilled paleochannels. Since they act as conduits for groundwater flow, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that they provide opportunities for surficial groundwater discharge.

Indeed, if you look at good aerial photographs of the coastal plain (especially in the drainages of the Cape Fear or Pee Dee rivers), you will see that Carolina bays are not only oriented individually "downhill" (toward the coastline), but these bays form lines toward the coast. The largest bays tend to be at the foot of old marine scarps; then there are progressively smaller bays stretching coastward, in lines, from the larger bays, across the toe of the scarp and down along the old tread of the fluviomarine terrace. Then, when the next scarp is reached, there is an interruption in the presence of bays along the shoulder and backslope of the scarp, but the pattern repeats along the toe and tread. It's really quite striking when you realize the pattern.

By the way, some people have been fooled by the presence of bay rims, into assuming that the bays were formed by impacts of meteorites or comets. I recently read a paper which conclusively disproved that. The researchers used palynological evidence (Palynology being the study of ancient pollen, and other microfossils) to determine the ages of bay rims and the bays they encircled. It turns out that the bays are contemporaneous with the surrounding geomorphic surface (meaning that the bays formed at the time the sea withdrew from the area), whereas, the bay rims all dated from the Pleistocene-Holocene boundary (about 14000-13000 years ago). Now, bays are found on marine treads that date from the Cretaceous-Paleocene boundary (65 million years ago) to the upper Pleistocene (on some surfaces as young as 45,000 years ago, if I remember South Carolina geology correctly). But all the rims are of the same age. It should be pretty easy for you to figure out why; if you can't, let me know and I'll explain it.
89 posted on 10/19/2003 11:44:08 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield
"This is simple to answer. They are all pointing toward the coastline...i.e., downhill. "

Okay, good answer, I understand.

I was in the Charleston area in the early 60's and while walking along a marshy area of the bay, I found a two inch long, black shark tooth. I was told that they are common and are about 50 million years old.

90 posted on 10/19/2003 12:12:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
If you were near Charleston, those shark's teeth would be less than 2 million years old. You'd have to go up near Columbia to find anything in the 50-million year range.
91 posted on 10/19/2003 2:34:38 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: blam
So, do you know how this site compares to the (older?) Cactus Hill site farther north?

Of course there is no DNA from Cactus Hill.
The bog's unique chemical environment preserves organic material.
92 posted on 10/19/2003 2:41:52 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: edwin hubble
"So, do you know how this site compares to the (older?) Cactus Hill site farther north? "

Yup, no bodies, no skeletons or bones, only 'tools' and Cactus Hill and Topper are probably 10,000 years older. Both the Topper Site and Cactus Hill exhibit tool technology that is similar to Iberia of the same period.

93 posted on 10/19/2003 3:58:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: yankeedame; propaganda_bot
Over here. This one got by the culture police.
94 posted on 10/19/2003 5:13:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
"They found 169 people and 90 had their brains still intact."

That fact alone should have alerted them that they could not have been Europeans.

95 posted on 11/11/2003 9:26:15 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The Evidence is mounting.

Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean?)

96 posted on 11/11/2003 9:40:00 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
I also am wondering who they used as a model for the Inidan head nickel. To tell you the truth, it looks like Red Foxx.
97 posted on 11/11/2003 9:45:38 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree

98 posted on 11/11/2003 9:55:54 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Wouldn't this evidence correlate also with the "lost continent of Atlantis"? Maybe there was once a large inhabited island in the Atlantic Ocean which would have made travel quite a bit easier than we think it would have been.
99 posted on 11/11/2003 9:57:01 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Read the article in post #96.
100 posted on 11/11/2003 9:59:22 PM PST by blam
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