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Rancher in prison for 'trespassing cows'
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, August 15, 2003 | By J. Zane Walley

Posted on 08/15/2003 5:31:43 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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1 posted on 08/15/2003 5:31:44 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
The federal government owns more than half the land in Western states and its a disgrace a rancher is locked up in prison for grazing cows on land he thinks belongs to him. The feds apparently have nothing better to do with their time than to imprison an old man for trying to pursue a lawful livelihood.
2 posted on 08/15/2003 5:35:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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I simply cannot understand how this happens. I just don't get it.
3 posted on 08/15/2003 5:41:21 AM PDT by Dudoight
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My heart goes out to him and his family. I am far a way but if letter writting would help (it can't hurt I guess) I will do it. If anyone comes up with something and need's help with it let me know and I'll try. This is awful.
4 posted on 08/15/2003 5:47:50 AM PDT by Iagreetonothing (Sad stuff for sure)
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To: JohnHuang2
Bump!
5 posted on 08/15/2003 5:55:04 AM PDT by jonatron
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To: Dudoight
Under Clinton, the policy became one of gradually running people with private property out in areas where they were surrounded by federal land. They just ignored the law and packed the agencies such as BLM and the National Forest Service with Deep Ecology fanatics that think that there should be no trace of man on federal land.

It appears that Norton may be trying to change this, and enforce property rights, but it is very hard for an agency to back off once it has committed to an action.

6 posted on 08/15/2003 5:58:40 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: goldstategop
"....its a disgrace a rancher is locked up in prison for grazing cows on land he thinks belongs to him."

Just because you think something belongs to you doesn't make it so, unless you're in never-never-land with Peter Pan. It seems this type of dispute, free-range vs land -rights, has been going on for quite some time. Haven't there been at least 50 movies that have used this theme - with the good 'ol sod-busters always winning?
7 posted on 08/15/2003 5:59:38 AM PDT by familyofman
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To: goldstategop
The federal government owns more than half the land in Western states and its a disgrace a rancher is locked up in prison for grazing cows on land he thinks belongs to him. The feds apparently have nothing better to do with their time than to imprison an old man for trying to pursue a lawful livelihood.

Why is this a concern to you? This is that "Big Government" you tout on other threads in action. I can't see why you are concerned here. Wierd! Blackbird.

8 posted on 08/15/2003 6:05:59 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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If this was my place I and they came to take the home and land I would let them have it after salting the waterholes and filling them full of chlorine.
9 posted on 08/15/2003 6:08:49 AM PDT by Chewbacca (Stay out of debt. Pay cash. When you run out of cash, stop buying things.)
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To: goldstategop
Mr Klump is lucky that they only put him in jail....... Other somewhat similar instances resulted in the feds torching the home killing nearly everyone, smashing all the machinery, killing the pets and........finally.....plowing under and hauling off anything that could be used as evidence against them......
10 posted on 08/15/2003 6:08:49 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty
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I am concerned on account of government transgressing the proper relations between the government and the governed. I believe while the government should protect our country, that doesn't extend to it the authority to go after people engaged in a lawful occupation. Q.E.D.
11 posted on 08/15/2003 6:09:35 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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I am concerned on account of government transgressing the proper relations between the government and the governed. I believe while the government should protect our country, that doesn't extend to it the authority to go after people engaged in a lawful occupation. Q.E.D.
12 posted on 08/15/2003 6:09:36 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Aw, cut the guy some slack. He's on target here.
13 posted on 08/15/2003 6:12:44 AM PDT by AAABEST
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.... He's on target here.

I agree with that sentiment, but it must get pretty tiring jumping back and forth over the fence. Blackbird.

14 posted on 08/15/2003 6:17:30 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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For a hundred years this guy's family has worked this land. How has it comopromised the ecology? England is not the same place it was when the Roman's occupied it. Nor is Europe. Man does make changes in the land. Nature itself makes changes. We spend all this gov't money to put this man on trial and imprison him. He sure wasn't living high.

If industrial agriculture doesn't get the little guy, the government will. Maybe I don't know all the facts but this is wrong.
15 posted on 08/15/2003 6:28:16 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: JohnHuang2
Unlike the hardened felons he is in prison with, he was denied a court-appointed attorney.

WHY?

16 posted on 08/15/2003 6:47:59 AM PDT by agrace
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Perhaps the Klumps could appeal to President Bush. He's a rancher and perhaps he could find it in his heart to pardon Mr. Klump.

You'd think that the FedGov Agencies would focus on halting the invasion that is occuring along our border with Mexico.

17 posted on 08/15/2003 6:59:00 AM PDT by csvset
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Maybe we have the wrong department chasing down illegals crossing the border. Perhaps the Bureau of Land Management would be a better choice.
What would BLM have done if the cows were owned by a Mexican? No doubt the BLM would have ignored them.
I wonder if these cows were preventing fires by grazing in this remote area.
18 posted on 08/15/2003 7:14:08 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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Put ear tags in the illegals as they cross the border? That way we could keep track of them.
19 posted on 08/15/2003 7:26:19 AM PDT by SLB
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I think that's why they are pushing these ID cards for illegals, I mean undocumented workers.
And, ear tags are so much more humane than branding irons.

Someday we'll all have little chips under our skin anyway.
BTW, the BLM was mentioned recently in another context on FR recently. They closed down a plant making an important technology used for making smart bombs because the Desert Tortoise was being hurt. Now Red China makes 88% of these high quality magnets.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31385
"The tiny town of Mountain Pass, Calif., was home of the Molycorp mine from which experts say the highest-grade rare earths in the world came. In 1996, the vital Molycorp mine was accused by the Bureau of Land Management of running afoul of regulations to protect the desert-tortoise habitat. After paying a series of fines and spending a fortune to jigger its mining so as to accommodate protectors of the desert tortoise, the company that supplied almost all the U.S. rare earths laid off hundreds of workers and stopped production."
20 posted on 08/15/2003 7:39:41 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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