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[Laura Schlessinger] Dr. Laura Renounces Jewish Orthodoxy
religionnewsblog.com ^ | 08/13/2003 | LISA KEYS

Posted on 08/15/2003 5:10:35 PM PDT by Destro

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I am not a fan of Dr. Laura's radio show and would rather get root canal than listen to her. This has nothing to do with her views--I just consider it bad and boring radio.

I posted this for Freepers who are like her show. Do not direct any comments about her to me because I know next to nothing about her.

1 posted on 08/15/2003 5:10:35 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
I consider Dr. Laura somewhat disengenous anyway. She conspicuously uses the title "Doctor" as if she's a clinical psychologist/psychiatrist when her doctorate degree is in secondary education. She likes to chide her listeners about "shacking up" when she was recently living with a guy for seven years without being married. I listened to her show for a few months and got tired of it. It got boring and repetitious.
3 posted on 08/15/2003 5:18:19 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Stop the violins!! Visualize whirled peas...)
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To: Destro
"I never got great applause from my work from the Jewish community — but my people are my people, whether they love or hate me."

Amen. What a sad and poignant article. I'm only an occasional listener and I missed this. Thanks very much for posting it.

It appears Laura's search for the meaning of life will continue on another path, in another place. I wish her well.

4 posted on 08/15/2003 5:24:48 PM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: L.N. Smithee
Pinging ya
5 posted on 08/15/2003 5:25:56 PM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: Destro
author Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Dang!

6 posted on 08/15/2003 5:26:03 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Bringing you quality, non-unnecessarily-excerpted threads since 2002)
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To: nickcarraway
ping
7 posted on 08/15/2003 5:29:49 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Schwarzenegger, who gave 1 million to his campaign on Tuesday, called Buffett "my mentor and my hero)
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To: Destro
Just a little note, at the outset, it's impossible for people to comment on an article unless they address the poster of the article. So by refusing comments, you're kind of rejecting the whole purpose of FR.
8 posted on 08/15/2003 5:35:20 PM PDT by JoeSchem (I'm running for governor too! Write me in!)
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To: Destro
Is this from the Onion?
 
I also know just a little bit about Dr. Laura. She was railroaded off of the local radio station by activists liberals as I understand the situation.
 
I think that expressing religious beliefs while being involved in media, indicates an absence of judgment. It could be career ending. Sometimes it is fun to watch others do it though such as Senator Kerry (my state) actually criticizing the Pope last week. That was an indicator of his having a political death wish.

9 posted on 08/15/2003 5:39:04 PM PDT by Radix
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To: JoeSchem
Sorry--I meant don't direct any comments my way in search of answers back in regards to this subject, not out of rudeness but because I am ignorant on the subject at hand. All can direct any and all comments to me or pass on info to others.
10 posted on 08/15/2003 5:40:16 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Wrong. Her degree is in physiology. She is a certified marriage, family, and child counselor.
11 posted on 08/15/2003 5:45:11 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (...they led my people astray, saying, "Peace!" when there was no peace -- Ezekiel 13:10)
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To: Destro
Discussion on this subject has been ongoing for the past several day. "Search" will provide considerable food for thought.
12 posted on 08/15/2003 5:49:42 PM PDT by mombonn (ˇViva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: truthkeeper
Schlessinger began her program last Tuesday by noting that, prior to each broadcast, she spends an hour reading faxes from fans and listeners. "By and large the faxes from Christians have been very loving, very supportive," she said. "From my own religion, I have either gotten nothing, which is 99% of it, or two of the nastiest letters I have gotten in a long time. I guess that's my point — I don't get much back. Not much warmth coming back."

How sad that she chooses to reject her religion by the faxes her fans and listeners send her. It would seem her committment--or lack thereof--to Judaism is predicated on her fan base.

13 posted on 08/15/2003 5:51:12 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Straight Vermonter
Still, it's over-reaching to use the term "Doctor" outside of a medical/clinical or university setting. I know she earned it, and she's not the only one, but it's still kind of crass.
14 posted on 08/15/2003 6:06:34 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: Destro
Received a funny email today that's a form letter addressed to Doctor Laura:

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share this knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to apply them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord-Lev 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual unseemliness-Lev. 15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 3:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination-Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing a garment made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to shone them? Lev 24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20: 14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thanks you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
Jim

15 posted on 08/15/2003 6:09:29 PM PDT by lelio
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To: Destro
"I think Judaism is better off not being saddled and directly associated with Dr. Laura's means," he said, adding, "although she is still a Jew."

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It's the other way around. Dr. Laura is better off not being saddled with Judaism. Judaism and Jews have long tended toward the direction of the Episcopal church and Marxism. Jews and Jdaism tend to chase the latest fad in both an attempt to be fashionable and in the belief that if the ludicrous is acceptable they are building a society in which Jews and Judaism will not be subjected to criticism.<p. It used to irk me that when playboy Hugh Hefner was selling his Playboy Philosophy he did so with the support of panels of rabbis.

16 posted on 08/15/2003 6:14:18 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I consider Dr. Laura somewhat disengenous anyway. She conspicuously uses the title "Doctor" as if she's a clinical psychologist/psychiatrist when her doctorate degree is in secondary education.

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Her doctorate is in areas of physiology. Your comments lead me to believe there is a toruch in you of what you are trying to smear her with.

17 posted on 08/15/2003 6:16:55 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Straight Vermonter
Wrong. Her degree is in physiology. She is a certified marriage, family, and child counselor.

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Correct. She also went back for graduate study in the counseling area.

18 posted on 08/15/2003 6:19:40 PM PDT by RLK
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To: lelio
One of the funniest things I have ever read!
19 posted on 08/15/2003 6:23:30 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Catspaw
It would seem her committment--or lack thereof--to Judaism is predicated on her fan base.

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Not necessarily. When you get consisten irrational criticism from a group of people it's time to realize your philosopy is at odds with that groups. Therefore, go ye from among them and be ye separate.

20 posted on 08/15/2003 6:23:38 PM PDT by RLK
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Why would she decide to reject her religion based only on faxes from fans and listeners? Why wouldn't she judged what she was giving to her religion from her synagogue?
21 posted on 08/15/2003 6:26:23 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
She likes to chide her listeners about "shacking up" when she was recently living with a guy for seven years without being married

That was in her feminist whacko days in her 20's, not "recently". Her son is 17 or 18 years old and I believe she's been married to the dad for at least that long. She has repeatedly and vociferously criticized her own behavior of that time on her radio show; are we all disallowed from lecturing our kids on sex and drugs if we ourselves engaged in them?

And she's gone through her educational background on the air as well....anyone who cares to listen to her knows she's not a shrink. I personally wouldn't care if she was a plumber. Her insight on human nature and weaknesses, even if she can be shrill, are spot on.

22 posted on 08/15/2003 6:30:49 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Catspaw
Try writing a coherent sentence if you want an answer.
23 posted on 08/15/2003 6:34:57 PM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
You can get the gist of what I said. If answering my questions make you uncomfortable, you don't have to answer them. I understand.
24 posted on 08/15/2003 6:36:41 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: lelio
Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

This is an excellent question. Frankly I have no idea what the answer is and I'm hoping Dr. Laura will tell us that it's actually okay to own Canadians.

25 posted on 08/15/2003 6:39:49 PM PDT by Capriole (Foi vainquera)
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To: Catspaw
OK. I get it. You're here to play games. Find somebody else to mess with.
26 posted on 08/15/2003 6:40:41 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Lizavetta
Her insight on human nature and weaknesses, even if she can be shrill, are spot on.

Agreed. Your whole post was spot on.

As a 38 year old woman I regret I had not the opportunity to be influenced by her earlier in my life.

27 posted on 08/15/2003 6:41:33 PM PDT by Queen Jadis
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To: RLK
Not necessarily. When you get consisten irrational criticism from a group of people it's time to realize your philosopy is at odds with that groups. Therefore, go ye from among them and be ye separate.

Yes exactly and quite perceptive. She discovered hypocrisy in places she didn't expect.

28 posted on 08/15/2003 7:39:57 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Catspaw
I have been following this discussion for several days and have a different take on Dr. Laura's new religious position.

On Monday August 11, she opened her show with a rather sad note that her 6'2" son will be going to college in 2 weeks and she had just packed 4 trunks of stuff. And she was lamenting about his absence from her home while he was attending college.

She has always prided herself on being her "kids mom". From age 0 to 18 she has advised callers that parents are supposed to give their entire life to raising their children. But if you have followed her position, at age 18 they are on their own. You want school, get a job and save. You want to shack up, get a job and save. You want a car, get a job and save.

Well she doesn't have a child anymore. Her son is grown and a man over which she should have little control. Her "kid" is in her mind. Her nest is empty.

The point being that she has, in view of advice to her audience, a major life change. She is having a problem dealing with it.

Knowing what she knows about Judaism, it is hard to believe that she was looking for adulation from her religion for her beliefs, or that the taste for bacon and lasagna has driven her out of her religion

I have yet to hear a survivor of the concentration camps, those once forsaken human beings with numbers tatooed on their forearms renounce their religion because they didn't get the kind of feedback from their diety after they were told "Arbeit Macht Frei". If anyone has cause to doubt their faith, these would be the people. On this basis, I am ashamed for Dr. Laura and embarrassed by those who sheparded her conversion. Her understanding of her adopted religion was much shallower than we were led to believe. An added chapter in her book would make it "11 Stupid Things Women Do to Louse Up Their Lives."

29 posted on 08/15/2003 7:43:09 PM PDT by kikero
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I disagree. What I got from the article is that she feels she's missing the point of her spirituality. Whereas she hears her Christian listeners speak of their solid personal relationship to the Lord, she feels nothing like that after giving her all to Judism.

I don't think she's giving up her religion based on a few faxes. The faxes simply exemplify her realization that something was missing.
30 posted on 08/15/2003 8:09:06 PM PDT by keats5
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
her doctorate is in physiology. not education. regardless of what it is in, it is earned and she still has the right to be called "doctor."
31 posted on 08/15/2003 8:09:52 PM PDT by bethelgrad (for God and country)
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To: keats5
one of the reasons i'm not a big fan of hers is her lack of grace both in tone and rhetoric. her constant message is be perfect be perfect be perfect. i believe in living righteously, but people make mistakes and i think she could be more gentle in trying to pull people up. and, as a christian, i think it would be great if she found Christ.
32 posted on 08/15/2003 8:16:25 PM PDT by bethelgrad (for God and country)
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To: RLK
What game? You said this:

Try writing a coherent sentence if you want an answer.

First you claim that my sentence is incoherent and now you say I'm playing games.

You have yet to answer my questions, of course.

33 posted on 08/15/2003 8:17:44 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Destro
People who were raised in religous households have no idea how difficult it is to find your place in the spiritual world as an adult. For some of you, who have firm foundations it's hard to imagine what she's going through. I applaud her though, when she finds something she throws herself into it completely, but if it's wrong, she's not afraid to put it aside and continue in her search.

I wish her well. She's not searching for God, because God is already beside her, she's searching for a way to express her love of God. That's pretty hard.

34 posted on 08/15/2003 8:19:32 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Straight Vermonter
The california counseling certificate, does not convey a psych degree, or the abilty to proscibe psychotropic meds. Lots of school counselors, pastors and substance abuse counsellors, even career counselors have taken the test, paid the fee, and gotten the licence.

She is however, neither a psychiatrist or psychologist. My understanding was she got her license to counsel, AFTER it became an issue that she was NOT technically a "real" doctor offering "counsel" on the radio.

And her ph.d. is in sports physiology, IIRC. She is more precisely, a gym teacher, with a counseling certificate. That is not a psychiatrist, or psychologist... although she does offer a lot of "frazier style" pop psychology on the radio.

I am not surprised with her switch, after the death of her estranged mother, anything is possible.
35 posted on 08/15/2003 8:29:29 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (If we just erect a big, expensive stone monument... everything will be alright!)
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To: Straight Vermonter
"Her[doctoral] degree is in physiology. She is a certified marriage, family, and child counselor."

You are correct.

36 posted on 08/15/2003 8:33:39 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: kikero
I have yet to hear a survivor of the concentration camps, those once forsaken human beings with numbers tatooed on their forearms renounce their religion because they didn't get the kind of feedback from their diety after they were told "Arbeit Macht Frei". If anyone has cause to doubt their faith, these would be the people. On this basis, I am ashamed for Dr. Laura and embarrassed by those who sheparded her conversion. Her understanding of her adopted religion was much shallower than we were led to believe. An added chapter in her book would make it "11 Stupid Things Women Do to Louse Up Their Lives."

I tend to agree with you--but in my family, my maternal grandfather converted to Catholicism as an adult and was a very devout Catholic. It took him a number of years before he decided to convert, but once he did, it was a total committment.

37 posted on 08/15/2003 8:38:44 PM PDT by Catspaw
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Why would she decide to reject her religion based only on faxes from fans and listeners?

Because to her, religion is a drug. It's something that's supposed to get you high and when she develops a tolerance to it she gets bored with it. If she were in a different demographic, she'd go into scientology or some spaceship cult.

38 posted on 08/15/2003 8:40:29 PM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: Destro
Shallow arguments.???

A movement towards Christ is not shallow. God works His will through all of us. I hope she finds peace.

Her conservative viewpoints have always made her an easy target for sniveling liberals.

Most of what she says is righteous and accurate.

39 posted on 08/15/2003 8:51:48 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Destro
One of the funniest things I have ever read!

Yeah, compared to The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged it's freaking hysterical. You don't read much, do you?
40 posted on 08/15/2003 10:34:36 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Lizavetta
That was in her feminist whacko days in her 20's, not "recently". Her son is 17 or 18 years old and I believe she's been married to the dad for at least that long. She has repeatedly and vociferously criticized her own behavior of that time on her radio show; are we all disallowed from lecturing our kids on sex and drugs if we ourselves engaged in them?

There's nothing worse to someone wallowing in their own filth, than when someone else decides to hose themselves off.
41 posted on 08/15/2003 10:35:52 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Antoninus
My knowledge base is (I dare say) more expansive than yours I bet...and it was still funny.
42 posted on 08/15/2003 10:52:09 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Simple question: who cares?

What's next? "Dr. Laura chooses Doritos over Ruffles"?

43 posted on 08/15/2003 10:55:54 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats have stunted brain development!)
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To: Fledermaus
I don't care but I thought other Freepers might.
44 posted on 08/15/2003 10:56:50 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
no no, I wasn't saying "who cares" to your post, just the concept that someone would write the article
45 posted on 08/15/2003 10:59:37 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats have stunted brain development!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
She conspicuously uses the title "Doctor" as if she's a clinical psychologist/psychiatrist when her doctorate degree is in secondary education.

Are you certain of this ?
Would you bet the ranch ?

46 posted on 08/15/2003 11:00:29 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
A doctorate is a doctorate.

As to her chiding others about shacking up, did it ever consider to you that her conclusion now is based on the fact it was a bad experience for her?

Why is it we appreciate alcoholics teaching AA classes, cleaned up drug addicts giving testimony in high schools, etc. but we get "uncomfortable" when someone "preaches" against something because they too were there and realized the destruction?

I personally couldn't care less about Dr. Laura. But I'm not going to dump all over her for her failings and her past when she obviously reaches people. I don't see folks jumping all over Oprah for her views.



47 posted on 08/15/2003 11:05:52 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats have stunted brain development!)
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To: truthkeeper
Amen. What a sad and poignant article. I'm only an occasional listener and I missed this. Thanks very much for posting it.

It appears Laura's search for the meaning of life will continue on another path, in another place. I wish her well.

I echo your sentiments.

48 posted on 08/15/2003 11:15:55 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
She has a PhD in physiology, after obtaining a B.S. and and a masters. But she is a licensed marriage, family and child counselor which she mentions quite frequently, so I know she's not trying to mislead anyone. If you believe that only M.D.'s should be called doctors, you have a lot more people than her to be concerned with. I know many people with PhD's who are called doctor. (Even Bill Cosby who only has a honorary doctorate, I believe.) She was in private practice for 12 years with her MFCC, which is completely legitimate.

when she was recently living with a guy for seven years without being married.

Try getting your gossip straight. She has been married for about 20 years. But she is up front about her behavior in the 70s that she is not proud of. But she never lied about that-she talked about it for years.

49 posted on 08/15/2003 11:23:52 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Catspaw
How sad that she chooses to reject her religion by the faxes her fans and listeners send her. It would seem her committment--or lack thereof--to Judaism is predicated on her fan base.

Don't jump to conclusions. The article tried to paint that as a reason for her problems, but that isn't necessarily the reason.

50 posted on 08/15/2003 11:25:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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