Skip to comments.[Laura Schlessinger] Dr. Laura Renounces Jewish Orthodoxy
Posted on 08/15/2003 5:10:35 PM PDT by Destro
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Your understanding is wrong. She was in private practice, and for better or for worse, her training is more than adequate based on what the state of California requires. Having said that, she constantly says it's not a therapy show, but one about ethical dillema's. And to be quite honest, a degree in philosophy, theology, or psychiatry does not give you what you need to be truly good at certain things.
She preaches family values, but ends up having posed nude, to say nothing of letting her mother die alone in an apartment, rotting away for weeks, undiscovered.
Now we find out her religious beliefs are paper-thin, and she' shopping for another way. She's a phoney.
I believe that God honors honesty more that any other quality. By being honest with ourselves we open the door for change. Outward compliance to a faith one really does not believe in is a poisonous form of hypocrisy. I am in hopes that she will begin to see that real moral choices comes from a place deep in the heart not from Bible knowledge someone shoved in your head. Sometimes it is the process of getting there that is more important than doing what looks good to the outside world. The difficult path of making mistakes, getting it wrong, learning a better way is superior to having payed lip service to a moral code that has no true meaning to the individual
One of the main reasons I tend to turn away from the church is because I see a whole lot of Christan "look good". We all get together and make all the right noises. There is so much unspoken angst that one can almost chock in that atmosphere if they are the least bit sensitive. I would vastly prefer to hear people talk about what is really going on with them instead of trying to put on a theology they really don't believe in the hopes that it will fix them. what they don't realize is that it will never work because they are trying to sidestep the rather painful and difficult times that comes from self examination. They tend to think that others are a better expert on who they are than they are themselves. They tend to think their pastor can tell them everything they need to know about themselves and that somehow they will glen a meaningful faith. Pastor or those in religious leadership can certain offer ideas and insights but they can't do it for you. One must be willing to enter their own dark night of the soul with nothing but their faith in God to pull them through. Without this one will always be on the surface in terms of their relationship with God.
You have a very good point. If telling people to be perfect made them perfect we would have no problems in the word. I remember her discussion with one caller that was so harsh and judgmental it made my stomach turn. A young woman who was engaged to be married called and told Dr. Laura she did not feel she wanted to have children. Dr, Laura came down on her like a ton of brick. She told her she was selfish and that God mission for us was to be fruitful and multiply. I thought this gal was telling the truth about what was really in her heart and that since her fiancé wanted children it was better to end the engagement. The caller's point was valid it would be unfair to marry a man who wanted a family if you did not agree with the the game plain. It is much less selfish for her to make what was obviously a painful choice and allow this man to find someone who can help him meet his dreams for his own life. Having children you don't want to have because of outside pressure is very selfish no matter what Dr. Laura says
Glad to see you are not a religious bigot. /sarcasm
I would never say Christianity is not a complete religion, I would merely say it's not for me.
Then again, Judaism is not a religion that is into prosthletizing or seeks to convert.
From what I have read, the meaning of that commandment in the original teachings is to honor them because they have given you life and supported you. There is no basis to "homor you mother and father" if they abandon you or physically or mentally abuse you. That would be honoring evil.
From things I have read about the situation, Dr. Laura's mother was at least mentally and emotionally abusive and some indications are that she may have been physically abusinve. Dr. Laura did the bibically compelled thing - she made certain that her mother's physical needs were taken care of and distanced herself and her family from the abuse.
Coming from a similar situation in our family between my wife and her mother, I can see why Dr. Laura did not want the poison in her life.
And to be honest, while Dr. Laura was telling the rest of the world how to live, should she not have been honest about her own life, and her own failings?
This is true but I get the impression that Dr.Laura's mother was into a very unhealthy life style and had chosen herself to cut contact with both her children. There is only so much one can do for a person who is unwilling to receive or who is asking things of you that are unhealthy. For example if Dr. Laura's mom was a heroin addict should she have gone over and loaded her syringe. That might make mom happy but is that all one's life is about. Dr. Laura said that she and other family had sought on several occasions to get their Mom to seek psychiatric help. She refused. She cut off contact with her family. That's all mom's choice. Maybe in this case honoring her mother involved honoring her choice to have the live she made for herself. That it ended in tragedy may will be the consequences of her choice not that her children didn't honor her enough
Not Orthodox Jews.
Schlessinger even hinted at a possible turn to Christianity a move that, radio insiders say, would elevate her career far beyond the 300 stations that currently syndicate her show. "I have envied all my Christian friends who really, universally, deeply feel loved by God," she said. "They use the name Jesus when they refer to God... that was a mystery, being connected to God."
Dr. Laura might want to look into Jews for Jesus
Her conversion sounds more like a career move than a deeply-felt religious experience. She tried Judaism, but her Jewish fans were, apparently, not appropropriately sycophantic, so now she'll see if she gets the "proper respect" from her Christian fans. What a superficial lady.
In light your defense of Laura's abandonment of her "abusive" mother, which for the sake of this argument I will accept, it's interesting to note that this supposedly terrible mother was the Catholic parent, and that Laura's father was the Jewish parent.
To my eyes there are a few subjects, like religious inclinations, or tastes in a mate, or the experience of grieving, where people are so publicly diffferent about matters that are so innately personal, that it's a wonder that we're all from the same species. It's a really random list, I know, but I think that is a nice reflection of the unpredictability of people. I like to give a lot of latitude in those areas.
Speaking of grieving, didn't Dr. Laura's estranged mother pass away in the last six months? I understand she was estranged by her own choice from her own family, not just Dr. Laura. Sometimes a painful situation like that can have blowback in other areas of our lives. Just a thought.
More conservative perhaps, not necessarily more Christian. There are many conservative Jews, more all the time.
And religion is about one's relationship with God, not about one's relationship with one's fanbase. Maybe Dr. Laura's Jewish listeners were more disturbed by her hypocrisy. Since Jews tend to be live and let live, perhaps her moralistic tone, which turned out to be a facade, grated on them.
So it's all about ratings...how sad for her. She's very confused. Physician - heal thyself.
Her conversion sounds more like a career move than a deeply-felt religious experience. She tried Judaism, but her Jewish fans were, apparently, not appropropriately sycophantic, so now she'll see if she gets the "proper respect" from her Christian fans. What a superficial lady. # 72
You think that Dr. Laura chose to be Jewish to increase her fan base?!
We live in America, not Israel, veronica. If Dr. Laura wanted a large fan base, she'd have a ready-made foundation for wealth and respect by chosing to be a Christian. It's worked for hundreds of television preachers.
Dr. Laura chose the Jewish religion while working in a Christian nation. She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ. That took moral courage. Her choice of Judism demonstrates that she uses neither political nor monetary considerations in her search for truth.
She's an honorable lady.
Slavery isn't illegal anyway, Antoninus. The word "except" means "with the exclusion of." Slavery is allowed for those convicted of a crime in a court of law.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
exodus - She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ
I am a Christian, dennisw.
Jews did not kill Jesus; Romans with the help of corrupt Jewish politicians killed Jesus.
Still, you're being dishonest if you claim that most Christians of the world, or even of our own nation, don't blame the Jews for Jesus's death.
I don't think her conversion had anything to do with her career. It was her personal search for meaning. Orthodox Jews usually discourage conversion anyway.
True Christians know we all killed Christ.
I'm a Christian, and I don't know what you're talking about.
The Gospels are clear... Jesus had Jewish followers and Jewish enemies. Some of those enemies persuaded the Romans to crucify Jesus. "Jews" didn't collectively do any one thing or another with regard to Jesus and His crucifixion.
You'd best be careful with your rhetoric, because your phrasing as quoted above is dangerously inflammatory, at the least.
Dr Laura is writing a new book. For that book she had asked listeners to send her faxes regarding what is meaningful in their lives, or how they have turned their lives around (I'm basing this upon hearing the show off and on and only hearing random comments about the faxes).
In reading these faxes, Dr Laura has noticed a great number of her listeners have been able to beat addictions, turn around emotional angst, overcome difficult childhoods,and seen the quality of their lives improved by having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Dr Laura has obviously been searching for spirituality. She began with Judaism in general, and when it wasn't helping to fulfill her she dove more deeply into it, hoping to understand better the law, and probably be "better" at it, believing it was a deficit in her which kept her from feeling whatever it was she hoped to feel.
She's obviously never reached what she hoped to find. But is seeing that there may be another path to it. Maybe Dr Laura will never find what she seeks. But then, maybe she will. That she continues the journey in the face of criticism is admirable.
I don't listen to Dr. Laura (or ANY radio psychobabbler), but here is what I heard elsewhere:
Schlessinger is Dr. Laura's maiden name. It is also the name of her son. Dr. Laura has said that a woman should take her husband's name, as should the children. But she made an exception in her case. Her reason is that her husband has nephews, so his family name will live on. But unless Dr. Laura's son took her name, her name would die out.
Still, it strikes me as yet another example of her hypocrisy.
Very tolerant. But what are your (or other FReepers) views on Islam?
She does that alot, doesn't she - "do as I say not what I do."
As far as Islam is concerned, I never gave it much thought until 9-11, and the recent intifada.
Truth be told Islam seems more like a cult than a religion to me, and what cannot be disputed is that it has been hijacked by radicals, and not just a few radicals - LOTS of them. And they kill people. Sure you have the odd Christian or Jew who goes wiggy, and turns violent or fanatical, but not to the degree Islamists have. So the question arises, what is it about Islam that has spawned so many violent fanatics??
All of the professed Christians that I know, don't "know" anything of the kind. Or at least don't hold it against me. I'm Jewish, by the way.
This is America in the 21st century. Not really a Christian nation, though there are plenty of Christians. And the USA was never officially Christian, though they were once the majority.
Nearly all the anti-Jewish stuff that I see comes from the non-Christian left, including sad to say, some Jews. The rest is from a few left over Ku Kluxers and the like. OK those guys claim to be Christians, but Christians in general don't think they are.
That took moral courage. Her choice of Judism demonstrates that she uses neither political nor monetary considerations in her search for truth.
It's forbidden in Jewish law to question the sincerity of a convert. Is it also forbidden to question the former sincerity of an ex-convert? According to some Orthodox authorities, she's still Jewish according to Jewish law. She can be an apostate, but can't go back to being a Gentile.
Now I'm not sure I buy into that, but I submit it for your consideration as a possible position you might not have been aware of.
I don't think she converted for political power or money, but her disappointment with the lack of touchy-feely-ness causes me to raise an eyebrow.
At the risk of sounding like a liberal, the Third World's violence may be seen as growing pains as it industrializes and modernizes. The West suffered severe growing pains on the path to modernization (Europe's Thirty Years War between Catholics and Protestants, English and American Civil Wars, French and Russian Revolutions, bloody labor strikes, two World Wars).
The Third World, much of which is Muslim, is simply catching up. But if you look at the numbers, only a small % of them are violent. And the West still has plenty of violence in its inner cities and such, it's just a different kind of violence than terrorism. But I see nothing inherent in Islam that necessarily makes it more violent, or that would prevent it from modernizing over time. For instance, Iran had a modern middle class under the Shah, and many middle class Iranians still exist, in the US and in Iran. I've met Westernized Muslims from Iran, as well as Burma.
exodus - You think that Dr. Laura chose to be Jewish to increase her fan base?! We live in America, not Israel, veronica. If Dr. Laura wanted a large fan base, she'd have a ready-made foundation for wealth and respect by chosing to be a Christian. It's worked for hundreds of television preachers. Dr. Laura chose the Jewish religion while working in a Christian nation. She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ. That took moral courage. Her choice of Judism demonstrates that she uses neither political nor monetary considerations in her search for truth. She's an honorable lady.
Yes, the Bible doesn't say that the Jews killed Jesus, but until a few years ago, the Catholic Church did; and Bible-thumpering Protestants throughout the United States and Europe said so, too. Almost every Christian denomination has blamed Jews for the death of Jesus sometime in the past.
It's only been in recent history that Jews have been given the benefit of the doubt in this regard.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, Sabertooth, it's only because you deny history. The Inquisition and the Holocost were justified by attributing Jesus's death to the Jews.
I am a Christian also, and I don't believe that the Jewish people killed Jesus. A simple reading of the Bible shows that all of Jesus's first followers were Jewish, as was Jesus himself, and that Jesus was killed by the Romans, at the urging of corrupt politicians. That doesn't change history; for centuries, laymen have been told that Jesus was murdered by Jews.
It's just been in the last half-century that false belief has been challeged by Christian leaders, and the belief that Jews murdered Jesus is still widespread today.
Excuse me, but I must beg to differ with you here. My faith teaches that Christ dies for our sins and that it was the will of God. If that is the case it's hardly right to say he was killed by the Jews. He happened to be Jewish himself, he was born a Jew and he died a Jew. The men involved were merely bending to God's will. If you remember, the night before he was taken he asked God to take away this bitter cup. It was not to be. Therefore, everyone played their parts exactly as God wished. Be mad at the particular priests, not an entire people.
To: Commie Basher
The Jews themselves have been guilty of fanaticism, for example when they killed every man, woman, and child in God's name, and even all the domestic animals, when entering Caanan.
The Spanish Inquisition wasn't an "odd" institution, it had the support of the Spanish people and government. They considered Judism a "cult," and happily murdered anyone who wouldn't "voluntarily" convert to Christianity.
The same thing happened with the Christian Crusades, hundreds of thousands of Christian fanatics killing heathen Moslems and Jews by God's holy name.
You would do better to ask "what is it about peace-loving religions that has spawned so many violent fanatics?"
The answer is that religions are not composed of saints, they're made up of ordinary people who sometimes get carried away by their beliefs, or get deceived by corrupt leaders.
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