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[Laura Schlessinger] Dr. Laura Renounces Jewish Orthodoxy
religionnewsblog.com ^ | 08/13/2003 | LISA KEYS

Posted on 08/15/2003 5:10:35 PM PDT by Destro

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To: Destro
My knowledge base is (I dare say) more expansive than yours I bet...

Hey, maybe. But I've seen several of your posts and I'm not terribly impressed. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
81 posted on 08/16/2003 1:37:06 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: lelio
Maybe you can answer question #2 then:

I've been trying to get slithertarians to answer a similar question for years now, seeing that contract slavery would have to be allowed under a true libertarian system.
82 posted on 08/16/2003 1:42:44 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: Antoninus
That is more than I can say for your posts. At least you remember reading mine.
83 posted on 08/16/2003 2:27:47 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: veronica; Destro; Catspaw; Chancellor Palpatine; RLK; Daveinyork; farmer18th; bethelgrad; ...
Her conversion sounds more like a career move than a deeply-felt religious experience. She tried Judaism, but her Jewish fans were, apparently, not appropropriately sycophantic, so now she'll see if she gets the "proper respect" from her Christian fans. What a superficial lady. # 72

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You think that Dr. Laura chose to be Jewish to increase her fan base?!

We live in America, not Israel, veronica. If Dr. Laura wanted a large fan base, she'd have a ready-made foundation for wealth and respect by chosing to be a Christian. It's worked for hundreds of television preachers.

Dr. Laura chose the Jewish religion while working in a Christian nation. She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ. That took moral courage. Her choice of Judism demonstrates that she uses neither political nor monetary considerations in her search for truth.

She's an honorable lady.

84 posted on 08/16/2003 2:52:34 PM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ......


Dum dum dum and dumb enough to let your true feelings show. Thanks for the non-wisdom.
85 posted on 08/16/2003 2:55:17 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Antoninus; lelio; Destro
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I've been trying to get slithertarians to answer a similar question for years now, seeing that contract slavery would have to be allowed under a true libertarian system.

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Slavery isn't illegal anyway, Antoninus. The word "except" means "with the exclusion of." Slavery is allowed for those convicted of a crime in a court of law.

13th Amendment

Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

86 posted on 08/16/2003 3:10:57 PM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
I don't think her conversion had anything to do with her career. It was her personal search for meaning. Orthodox Jews usually discourage conversion anyway.
87 posted on 08/16/2003 3:18:41 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: dennisw
exodus - She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ
dennisw - Dum dum dum and dumb enough to let your true feelings show. Thanks for the non-wisdom.

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I am a Christian, dennisw.

Jews did not kill Jesus; Romans with the help of corrupt Jewish politicians killed Jesus.

Still, you're being dishonest if you claim that most Christians of the world, or even of our own nation, don't blame the Jews for Jesus's death.

88 posted on 08/16/2003 3:24:22 PM PDT by exodus (Please save the personal attacks for those who don't agree with you.)
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To: af_vet_1981
I don't think her conversion had anything to do with her career. It was her personal search for meaning. Orthodox Jews usually discourage conversion anyway.

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I agree.

89 posted on 08/16/2003 3:25:50 PM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
"She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ."


True Christians know we all killed Christ.

90 posted on 08/16/2003 3:26:46 PM PDT by keats5
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To: exodus; dennisw; veronica
She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ.

I'm a Christian, and I don't know what you're talking about.

The Gospels are clear... Jesus had Jewish followers and Jewish enemies. Some of those enemies persuaded the Romans to crucify Jesus. "Jews" didn't collectively do any one thing or another with regard to Jesus and His crucifixion.

You'd best be careful with your rhetoric, because your phrasing as quoted above is dangerously inflammatory, at the least.


91 posted on 08/16/2003 3:28:20 PM PDT by Sabertooth (Viva la 187!)
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To: af_vet_1981
I don't think her conversion had anything to do with her career. It was her personal search for meaning. Orthodox Jews usually discourage conversion anyway.

Dr Laura is writing a new book. For that book she had asked listeners to send her faxes regarding what is meaningful in their lives, or how they have turned their lives around (I'm basing this upon hearing the show off and on and only hearing random comments about the faxes).

In reading these faxes, Dr Laura has noticed a great number of her listeners have been able to beat addictions, turn around emotional angst, overcome difficult childhoods,and seen the quality of their lives improved by having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Dr Laura has obviously been searching for spirituality. She began with Judaism in general, and when it wasn't helping to fulfill her she dove more deeply into it, hoping to understand better the law, and probably be "better" at it, believing it was a deficit in her which kept her from feeling whatever it was she hoped to feel.

She's obviously never reached what she hoped to find. But is seeing that there may be another path to it. Maybe Dr Laura will never find what she seeks. But then, maybe she will. That she continues the journey in the face of criticism is admirable.

92 posted on 08/16/2003 4:09:02 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: William Creel
Isn't her huband Arthur Schlessinger?

I don't listen to Dr. Laura (or ANY radio psychobabbler), but here is what I heard elsewhere:

Schlessinger is Dr. Laura's maiden name. It is also the name of her son. Dr. Laura has said that a woman should take her husband's name, as should the children. But she made an exception in her case. Her reason is that her husband has nephews, so his family name will live on. But unless Dr. Laura's son took her name, her name would die out.

Still, it strikes me as yet another example of her hypocrisy.

93 posted on 08/16/2003 4:19:14 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: veronica
I would never say Christianity is not a complete religion, I would merely say it's not for me.

Very tolerant. But what are your (or other FReepers) views on Islam?

94 posted on 08/16/2003 4:20:31 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Commie Basher
Schlessinger is Dr. Laura's maiden name. It is also the name of her son. Dr. Laura has said that a woman should take her husband's name, as should the children. But she made an exception in her case. Her reason is that her husband has nephews, so his family name will live on. But unless Dr. Laura's son took her name, her name would die out.

She does that alot, doesn't she - "do as I say not what I do."

As far as Islam is concerned, I never gave it much thought until 9-11, and the recent intifada.

Truth be told Islam seems more like a cult than a religion to me, and what cannot be disputed is that it has been hijacked by radicals, and not just a few radicals - LOTS of them. And they kill people. Sure you have the odd Christian or Jew who goes wiggy, and turns violent or fanatical, but not to the degree Islamists have. So the question arises, what is it about Islam that has spawned so many violent fanatics??

95 posted on 08/16/2003 4:31:30 PM PDT by veronica (http://www.petitiononline.com/KN50711/petition.html - Confirm Daniel Pipes to USIPF ......sign this!)
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To: exodus
Dr. Laura chose the Jewish religion while working in a Christian nation. She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ.

All of the professed Christians that I know, don't "know" anything of the kind. Or at least don't hold it against me. I'm Jewish, by the way.

This is America in the 21st century. Not really a Christian nation, though there are plenty of Christians. And the USA was never officially Christian, though they were once the majority.

Nearly all the anti-Jewish stuff that I see comes from the non-Christian left, including sad to say, some Jews. The rest is from a few left over Ku Kluxers and the like. OK those guys claim to be Christians, but Christians in general don't think they are.

That took moral courage. Her choice of Judism demonstrates that she uses neither political nor monetary considerations in her search for truth.

It's forbidden in Jewish law to question the sincerity of a convert. Is it also forbidden to question the former sincerity of an ex-convert? According to some Orthodox authorities, she's still Jewish according to Jewish law. She can be an apostate, but can't go back to being a Gentile.

Now I'm not sure I buy into that, but I submit it for your consideration as a possible position you might not have been aware of.

I don't think she converted for political power or money, but her disappointment with the lack of touchy-feely-ness causes me to raise an eyebrow.

96 posted on 08/16/2003 4:34:22 PM PDT by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: veronica
I don't think Islam has spawned so many violent fanatics, proportionately speaking. There are a billion Muslims in the world. How many turn to terrorism? Thousands? Even 10,000 would be .01% of a billion.

At the risk of sounding like a liberal, the Third World's violence may be seen as growing pains as it industrializes and modernizes. The West suffered severe growing pains on the path to modernization (Europe's Thirty Years War between Catholics and Protestants, English and American Civil Wars, French and Russian Revolutions, bloody labor strikes, two World Wars).

The Third World, much of which is Muslim, is simply catching up. But if you look at the numbers, only a small % of them are violent. And the West still has plenty of violence in its inner cities and such, it's just a different kind of violence than terrorism. But I see nothing inherent in Islam that necessarily makes it more violent, or that would prevent it from modernizing over time. For instance, Iran had a modern middle class under the Shah, and many middle class Iranians still exist, in the US and in Iran. I've met Westernized Muslims from Iran, as well as Burma.

97 posted on 08/16/2003 4:41:35 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Sabertooth; Ippolita
exodus - You think that Dr. Laura chose to be Jewish to increase her fan base?! We live in America, not Israel, veronica. If Dr. Laura wanted a large fan base, she'd have a ready-made foundation for wealth and respect by chosing to be a Christian. It's worked for hundreds of television preachers. Dr. Laura chose the Jewish religion while working in a Christian nation. She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ. That took moral courage. Her choice of Judism demonstrates that she uses neither political nor monetary considerations in her search for truth. She's an honorable lady.
Sabertooth - I'm a Christian, and I don't know what you're talking about. The Gospels are clear... Jesus had Jewish followers and Jewish enemies. Some of those enemies persuaded the Romans to crucify Jesus. "Jews" didn't collectively do any one thing or another with regard to Jesus and His crucifixion. You'd best be careful with your rhetoric, because your phrasing as quoted above is dangerously inflammatory, at the least.

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Yes, the Bible doesn't say that the Jews killed Jesus, but until a few years ago, the Catholic Church did; and Bible-thumpering Protestants throughout the United States and Europe said so, too. Almost every Christian denomination has blamed Jews for the death of Jesus sometime in the past.

It's only been in recent history that Jews have been given the benefit of the doubt in this regard.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, Sabertooth, it's only because you deny history. The Inquisition and the Holocost were justified by attributing Jesus's death to the Jews.

I am a Christian also, and I don't believe that the Jewish people killed Jesus. A simple reading of the Bible shows that all of Jesus's first followers were Jewish, as was Jesus himself, and that Jesus was killed by the Romans, at the urging of corrupt politicians. That doesn't change history; for centuries, laymen have been told that Jesus was murdered by Jews.

It's just been in the last half-century that false belief has been challeged by Christian leaders, and the belief that Jews murdered Jesus is still widespread today.

98 posted on 08/16/2003 4:44:24 PM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ. That took moral courage.

Excuse me, but I must beg to differ with you here. My faith teaches that Christ dies for our sins and that it was the will of God. If that is the case it's hardly right to say he was killed by the Jews. He happened to be Jewish himself, he was born a Jew and he died a Jew. The men involved were merely bending to God's will. If you remember, the night before he was taken he asked God to take away this bitter cup. It was not to be. Therefore, everyone played their parts exactly as God wished. Be mad at the particular priests, not an entire people.

99 posted on 08/16/2003 4:45:57 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: veronica; Commie Basher
To: Commie Basher
Truth be told Islam seems more like a cult than a religion to me, and what cannot be disputed is that it has been hijacked by radicals, and not just a few radicals - LOTS of them. And they kill people. Sure you have the odd Christian or Jew who goes wiggy, and turns violent or fanatical, but not to the degree Islamists have. So the question arises, what is it about Islam that has spawned so many violent fanatics??

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The Jews themselves have been guilty of fanaticism, for example when they killed every man, woman, and child in God's name, and even all the domestic animals, when entering Caanan.

The Spanish Inquisition wasn't an "odd" institution, it had the support of the Spanish people and government. They considered Judism a "cult," and happily murdered anyone who wouldn't "voluntarily" convert to Christianity.

The same thing happened with the Christian Crusades, hundreds of thousands of Christian fanatics killing heathen Moslems and Jews by God's holy name.

You would do better to ask "what is it about peace-loving religions that has spawned so many violent fanatics?"

The answer is that religions are not composed of saints, they're made up of ordinary people who sometimes get carried away by their beliefs, or get deceived by corrupt leaders.

100 posted on 08/16/2003 5:06:55 PM PDT by exodus
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