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Tancredo calls illegal immigration threat to U.S.
gjsentinel ^ | 08.16.03 | GARY HARMON

Posted on 08/16/2003 7:09:51 PM PDT by VU4G10

Illegal immigration into the United States threatens the future of the nation, a Colorado congressman told Mesa County Republicans on Friday.

 U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Centennial, drew two standing ovations from about 100 Republicans, even though he acknowledged his stand on illegal immigration runs counter to that of the party's leader, President Bush.

 Forcing a national debate over illegal immigration transcends party loyalty though, he said. At issue, he said, isn't so much whether the United States will have a Balkanized future, but whether it will have a future as a nation at all.

 Illegal immigration combined with "the cult of multiculturalism" and the welfare state threaten to undermine and bankrupt American institutions, he said.

 Tancredo joked that he actually was on his way to California to get in on the governor's race. In an exclusive interview with The Daily Sentinel, however, he said the stakes actually are a bit higher than a governor's race.

 He has visited California on several occasions with the hope of forcing illegal immigration to a top-level issue in the 2004 presidential race.

 One vehicle, he said, might be a referendum in the nation's most populous state that would limit access to any government services to citizens or legal residents only.

 "Even if I'm 180 degrees wrong," he said, "the subject at least deserves a debate."

 Tancredo said he advocates securing the nation's southern border using a 20,000-strong Border Patrol combined with high-tech equipment to prevent illegal border crossings.

 A guest-worker program might be in order for industries that couldn't otherwise find employees, but no such program could work without a secure border, he said.

 It's particularly important to secure the border, he said, because it isn't used only by Mexicans seeking employment.

 "Huge numbers" of Middle-Easterners frequently cross the border, often helped by Mexican drug gangs who charge $30,000 for the use of their expertise, he said.

 "I don't blame them," he said of illegal immigrants looking north for opportunity, but he noted the Mexican government relies heavily on money sent by illegal immigrants to their relatives to bolster the economy.

 That amounts to about $10 billion a year, a third of the Mexican gross domestic product, he said.

 Tancredo urged the Mesa County Republicans to insist that all candidates be held to account on illegal-immigration issues.

 Even if offices such as city council or county commissioner seem to have little to do with illegal immigration, candidates still should be forced to take a position.

 "Get them on record," he said.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aztlaniscoming; illegal; illegalimmigration; immigration; multiculturalism; tancredo; threats; us
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1 posted on 08/16/2003 7:09:52 PM PDT by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10
A guest-worker program might be in order

A guest worker program that precludes familes and children.

It's the cost to provide public services to the children (and the anchor babies) that is bankrupting California.

2 posted on 08/16/2003 7:18:03 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: VU4G10
Yes it is..but try to get FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN,MSNBC,NPR or the DNC/GOP to ever admit to it
3 posted on 08/16/2003 7:18:18 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: joesnuffy
True. But we should at least force Republican candidates to tell us where they stand on the issue. And don't give us that phony BS Prop. 187 is racist. The truth is 60% of the electorate in LIBERAL California voted for it. People are concerned about what illegal immigration is doing to our country even if the politicians still don't get it. Right now people in Arizona are bringing it to public notice over the opposition of a cowardly GOP establishment afraid of rocking the boat. If nothing else its an issue that needs debate.
4 posted on 08/16/2003 7:23:02 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: VU4G10
We need to change the citizenship law to reduce the incentive for this behavior. Being born on US territory to foreign parents should NOT make one a US citizen. Either you have a US citizen parent, or you go through naturalization... this give-birth-on-US-territory routine is getting old already!
5 posted on 08/16/2003 7:29:02 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Are we conservatives, or are we Republicans?)
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To: VU4G10
You know, I'm about ready to vote for this
Tancredo guy in 2008.
6 posted on 08/16/2003 7:29:52 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan
Me too.
7 posted on 08/16/2003 7:30:49 PM PDT by gedeon3
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To: VU4G10
Seal-the-Border Bump.
8 posted on 08/16/2003 7:33:02 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (TAG! You're it!)
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To: VU4G10
I sent a letter detailing EXACTLY this information about an illegal alien I knew about:


9 posted on 08/16/2003 7:55:00 PM PDT by ikka
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To: joesnuffy
Bill O'Reilly has brought this topic up on his show several times.
10 posted on 08/16/2003 7:57:34 PM PDT by xrp
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To: VU4G10
Tancredo is a member of the U.S. House of Representatives. He can introduce legislation, gather sufficient support for the bill and the appropriation amount, recruit an allied sponsor in the Senate, send the bill up the chamber for vote and passage and get it to the President's desk. A bill that addresses the defecits in our current border patrol and immigration law, and provides the directives, regulations and funding to implement a solution.

So ... what specifically has Tancredo done as a legislator during this two year period sounding the alarm during his countless appearances on radio and TV?

11 posted on 08/16/2003 8:02:22 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: VU4G10
" He has visited California on several occasions with the hope of forcing illegal immigration to a top-level issue in the 2004 presidential race.

 One vehicle, he said, might be a referendum in the nation's most populous state that would limit access to any government services to citizens or legal residents only."

Hello? We tried that? It was called Prop. 187, and some rotten vermin of a federal judge overturned it because it was "unconstutional". I can't even think about it for too long or my head will explode.

12 posted on 08/16/2003 8:06:37 PM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (This tagline is currently under construction....)
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To: ArneFufkin
So ... what specifically has Tancredo done as a legislator during this two year period sounding the alarm during his countless appearances on radio and TV?


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Well, . . . .

A DAMN sight more than either you or I, if I may so suggest.
13 posted on 08/16/2003 8:10:00 PM PDT by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: ArneFufkin
Tancredo talks a good deal, but he's still a polititian.

He's probably just doing an Arafat.
14 posted on 08/16/2003 8:12:08 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: thoughtomator
I think I read some time ago that this is the way they do it in France,being born in the country doesn't make you a citizen,but that may have changed.


15 posted on 08/16/2003 8:13:21 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Elliott Gigantalope
It was called Prop. 187, and some rotten vermin of a federal judge overturned it because it was "unconstutional". I can't even think about it for too long or my head will explode.

So ... why wasn't that finding appealed? Who is responsible for representing the voters of California? Bill Lockyear? Why hasn't he appealed the case? Why haven't y'all organized and crawled up his ass until he does his duty as a Constitutional Officer and Officer of the Court? Why did it just stop there?

So, some LA judge put a stay on the regulation. That happens. That's why there are courts of appeal, how did millions of Californians sit back while their legally presented, legitimately approved public will be thwarted by one unaccountable jurist?

I've never understood why these mandates, approved by millions of Californians, are allowed to be nullified by the fiat of a single judge.

What am I missing?

16 posted on 08/16/2003 8:17:45 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: BenR2
Getting booked on Scarborough and doing Regan, Rusty Humphries and Jason Lewis appearances?

That's not work, that's not HIS duty.

Again, what specific legislation has Tom Tancredo introduced to address this crisis he shouts to the masses on radio and cable gigs?

I don't give a crap about his insights if he's not willing or able to shepherd corrective legislation.

Again, what has he done as a $150,000 per year Congressman to address this issue?

17 posted on 08/16/2003 8:22:31 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: alilrainmustfall
Either we get this under control

What action plan do you recommend to get this under control?

Tancredo wants 20,000 Border Guards on the Mexican border. At $50,000 per, that's $1 billion in salaries and benefits. Add $10,000 more for training, that's another $200 million, they're going to need vehicles, comunications infrastructure, processing stations and holding cells to be build all along the border.

So, is Tancredo crafting a bill authorizing this major deployment? Has he determined an adequate funding appropriation number? Has he lobbied DeLay, Hastert or the relevant Appropriation chairman to get a hearing, a markup, a place in the docket? Does he have 218 votes for this proposal, at this $billion investment?

Nah, he just thought he'd throw it out as a good idea that George W. Bush should, but won't, implement. Even though it's HIS job to write bills with appropriate funding with the language and details that 218 of his colleagues would vote approval for.

That's hard work. That takes salesmanship, compromise, building consensus, making tradeoffs and fighting for money. Tom's got the Boortz show, Buchanan and Press and Larry Elder gigs to focus on. It's about Tom Tancredo's earnest concern. It's about Tom Tancredo.

19 posted on 08/16/2003 8:53:37 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: VU4G10
How nice to hear from a conservative!!!!!!

With one position he's declared himself for REAL Homeland Security, the American economy, and LEGAL immigration.

Like Savage says: "Borders, language, and culture."

It really is that simple.
20 posted on 08/16/2003 8:54:19 PM PDT by tubavil
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To: VU4G10
Tom Tancredo/Virgil Goode

What a ticket!

21 posted on 08/16/2003 8:57:39 PM PDT by Militiaman7 (Congress, Bush and DoD steal the pensions of retired disabled vets. http://www.supportthevets.com)
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To: tubavil
How nice to hear from a conservative!!!!!!

Conservatives design and execute action plans to create solutions.

What's your plan to address the immigration challenge?

22 posted on 08/16/2003 9:01:55 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
Employing someone at 50K costs an employer about 100K. Given that and your extras, assume 2.5 billion dollars.

With 280 million people, guessing 7 of 10 pay taxes, that makes this national security outlay about $12.75 a head.

I'd say our national security is worth a movie for two once a year.
23 posted on 08/16/2003 9:08:01 PM PDT by tubavil
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To: tubavil
I'm willing to ante up.

I'm not a sitting member of the U.S. House of Representatives, however. I can't introduce a bill, win a funding process or rally 218 aye votes.

Wonder who could? Hmmmm ....

24 posted on 08/16/2003 9:23:05 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
What's your plan to address the immigration challenge?

I would happily pay 20-40% more for items traditionally associated with illegal alien labor. I would also pay 100% more for gas and oil if that's what it takes to keep petro dollars from financing terrorist nations like saudi arabia.

We will also recoup hundreds of millions of dollars once we no longer subsidize the housing, medicine, and education of millions of illegal aliens.
25 posted on 08/16/2003 9:26:13 PM PDT by tubavil
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To: tubavil
Careful..... don't feed the trolls.
26 posted on 08/16/2003 9:34:44 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: tubavil
I would happily pay 20-40% more for items traditionally associated with illegal alien labor

Over at Cub Foods, our grocery warehouse chain, there are 10 guys stocking shelves, scrubbing floors, sweeping the lot, moving pallets and unloading trucks. They're all Mexican Americans. It's 11:30 on a Saturday night. Over at the local mall, there are 5 or 6 guys scrubbing floors, cleaning johns, emptying trash, sweeping the lot, fixing lights and doing all the maintenance work. All of them are Mexicans. The guys slinging chow in the kitchen at restaurants and bars still serving at this hour are likely Mexicans. At 6 am tomorrow and Sunday, Mexican roofers, landscapers, blacktop pavers, nail pounders, painters, drywall jockeys and fast food servers will be starting their 12 hour OT shifts. Most of them will be Mexicans.

So, what products are you going to pay a 40% premium for again?

27 posted on 08/16/2003 9:37:33 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
More FUD from Tancredo haters. ~yawn~

28 posted on 08/16/2003 9:38:54 PM PDT by =Intervention= (Moderate pubs and the liberals -- you know they love to get along....)
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To: Tancredo Fan
I'm no troll, I'm gauging the level of your serious contemplation of this issue.

OK, we've got, say 8 million illegal aliens resident in this country today, this minute. We have 5 to 6 thousand miles of rugged border with Mexico and Canada. We'll never physically prohibit motivated, creative people from sneaking into this country for economic flourish.

So, Tancredo Fan, you've been flapping your gums for 17 months about this challenge. What's your solution, step by step? Specifically. Tell me about the illegal Russians in Brighton Beach, the Jamaicans in Brooklyn, the Greeks in Chicago and the Somali in Minneapolis. They've snuck in too.

If you don't have a plan of political and litigation action by now, you're the troll on this forum, and you're here just to foment xenophobic ugliness and racial animus.

29 posted on 08/16/2003 9:46:46 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
So ... what specifically has Tancredo done as a legislator during this two year period sounding the alarm during his countless appearances on radio and TV?

http://www.house.gov/tancredo/legislation.htm

http://www.carryingcapacity.org/tancredo.html

http://www.fairus.org/html/07465108.htm

Here's a couple things.

30 posted on 08/16/2003 9:49:28 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (LINE THE BORDERS WITH NUCLEAR WASTE!!!)
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To: ArneFufkin
Legislation sponsored by Tancredo...

http://www.house.gov/tancredo/newsroom/press/2003/2003_05_22conf.htm

H.R.946 : To effect a moratorium on immigration.
H.R.2688 : To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to repeal authorities relating to H1-B visas for temporary workers.
. H.AMDT.188 to H.R.2555 An amendment that none of the funds made available in this Act may be used to provide assistance to any State or local government entity or official that restricts any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Department of Homeland Security information regarding an individual's citizenship or immigration status, as prohibited under section 642(a) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 19.

H.AMDT.190 to H.R.2555 Amendment sought to prohibit any funding to States or localities that restrict information to the Bureau of Immigration and Customs regarding an individual's citizenship or immigration status as prohibited under section 642(a) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.

H.AMDT.293 to H.R.2799 An amendment to prohibit the use of funds from being available to assist any State or local government entity or official that prohibits or restricts any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement of the Department of Homeland Security information regarding the citizenship or immigration status of an individual.

And these are the ones he's sponsored. I didn't include the ones he has cosponsored or voted on. Add those in and the record gets better still. Now I don't know how much effort is placed into drafting a resolution and getting it through committee. Is is better to create a few and then hype them, or to send resolution after resolution to committee. I dunno. However, it is clear that Tancredo is the point man for immigration reform and one of it's loudest champions. To say the man has done nothing is willful blindness.
31 posted on 08/16/2003 9:50:52 PM PDT by =Intervention= (Moderate pubs and the liberals -- you know they love to get along....)
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To: ArneFufkin
So what specifically has Jorge "applauds diversity" Bush done to combat illegal immigration (other than extending Clinton amnesties, trying to ram his own amenesties down our throats, and endorsing illegal alien "matricula" ID cards)?
32 posted on 08/16/2003 9:51:48 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Shielding Guilty Saudis = Accessory After the Fact.)
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To: xrp
Bill O'Reilly has brought this topic up on his show several times.

O'Reilly is many things, most of them annoying. But when he gets on a crusade for an actual conservative cause (as opposed to his leftist crusade against SUVs), he can be the best in the biz. I hope he never lets up on this issue.

33 posted on 08/16/2003 9:57:09 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: goldstategop
But we should at least force Republican candidates to tell us where they stand on the issue.

I already have. To a man they schmoozed. The bottom line is, they're all for it. We have a government by business, not of, by and for the people. That's why we're stuck constantly fighting the politicians to prevent giving them amnesty and any legit status. It's bad enough we have to subsidize the cheap labor businesses get away with, but to have our politicians sell us out wholesale is more than I can stand.
34 posted on 08/16/2003 10:05:45 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: thoughtomator
We need to change the citizenship law to reduce the incentive for this behavior.

We need to get a law passed with MANDATORY jailtime for any EMPLOYER who hires them. That's all we need to do. Cut off the job supply and watch the invasion disappear.
35 posted on 08/16/2003 10:06:59 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ArneFufkin
Brought numerous bills before the floor...none of which passed. He does more than talk a good game, unlike most of the $%$%#$@^%s.
36 posted on 08/16/2003 10:09:20 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ArneFufkin
"If you don't have a plan of political and litigation action by now, you're the troll on this forum, and you're here just to foment xenophobic ugliness and racial animus."

Arne don't be silly, TF is no animus.

37 posted on 08/16/2003 10:12:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: =Intervention=
He's got NO cosponsors. These bills are garbage. They are DOA. The guy is a self promoting charlatan.

You guys are rolling logs here. Immigration IS a vitally critical challenge to our safety and economic security.

The only priority should be crafting a political strategy to get the ruling class off their asses and about their duty to protect our interests.

20,000 border guards? How do we locate, identify, process and determine disposition of the 8 million folks traipsing around without sanction today?

Tancredo isn't offering solutions, he's demogauging the challenge and cynically tasking the President to magically fix it. That's not in the President's authority. It's immigration law, it's court rulings on residency, it's state level entitlements and provision of legitimizing status such as drivers licenses and county ID cards. It's a county by county, state by state, court by court and person by person and federal immigration and naturalization law, regulatory rules and policy implementation.

Do YOU know what your county's policy is on approving newly arrived, non-resident aliens for social services and entitlements? By what authority or guidelines do they grant qualified enrollment? What are the served populations, what are the costs to taxpayers, what public debate was provided when developing policies etc. If you don't know the specifics of illegal immigrant entitlements and vetting in your county, you're not serious about this issue.

38 posted on 08/16/2003 10:13:36 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: VU4G10
Hey, whatever happened to "If it bleeds, it leads!".
39 posted on 08/16/2003 10:13:59 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: ArneFufkin
I think rumor has it that I may be you, or you may be me, or something like that.

I've lost track.
40 posted on 08/16/2003 10:14:20 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together)
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To: ArneFufkin
We must live in the same town - are you in Northern Virginia?
41 posted on 08/16/2003 10:14:29 PM PDT by satan
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Hey, I just received via UPS my "Tell Me More" Language Learning software to study Spanish!!! They can't tell us apart now, wait for a year or so! My UPS guy is from Dominican Republic, and I told him what it was and said "Gracias", and he grabbed it back and said, "you don't need this, you've got it down"

Actually, my only motivation in learning Spanish is to find out if the bodacious models on Univision are as smart as they are fetching.

42 posted on 08/16/2003 10:21:30 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: satan
Minneapolis, MN.
43 posted on 08/16/2003 10:21:55 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Luis Gonzalez
We may all be just one individual. Arator.
44 posted on 08/16/2003 10:26:21 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I didn't see ANY bills that made it to the floor. What were the vote counts?
45 posted on 08/16/2003 10:27:31 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
"Actually, my only motivation in learning Spanish is to find out if the bodacious models on Univision are as smart as they are fetching."

I'm pretty impressed that you've looked that high. I didn't even know that they had a head.

46 posted on 08/16/2003 10:28:58 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together)
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To: dagnabbit
What have you done?

Tell me about the specific entitlement rules and policies regarding the enrollment of illegally resident foreign nationals in your county. What's the policy, what are the numbers of enrollees, what are the costs and by what authority do they provide these benefits.

I'm interested to see what your knowledge of YOUR backyard is.

47 posted on 08/16/2003 10:31:43 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: dagnabbit
What have you done?

Tell me about the specific entitlement rules and policies regarding the enrollment of illegally resident foreign nationals in your county. What's the policy, what are the numbers of enrollees, what are the costs and by what authority do they provide these benefits.

I'm interested to see what your knowledge of YOUR backyard is.

48 posted on 08/16/2003 10:31:43 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: VU4G10
Could this actually be, pardon my french, a politician with some balls? Lets hope the PC crowd doesn't get to him, and buy him off, if he does have a pair.
49 posted on 08/16/2003 10:32:04 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Employer sanctions are the most effective way to stop "regular" illegal immigration. Additional border and port-of-entry controls are also needed, however, to complement employer sanctions and to thwart intending criminal and terrorist illegals who may not ever have (formal) U.S. employers.

Don't expect much of this, of course, under the current President.

50 posted on 08/16/2003 10:36:30 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Shielding Guilty Saudis = Accessory After the Fact.)
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