China blocks foreign software use in gov't

CNET ^ | August 18 2003 | CNETAsia Staff

[hedgetrimmer]

"The CEO of General Motors arrived shanghai to attend the yearly forum held by Fortune last year, and he was late for one day. When he step out of plane, he hold warmly the hands of the president of trade union in GE's shanghai branch, ,and sent thanks to workers in shanghai for their support to defeat the workers in Detroit"

Han Deqiang, Economics and Management School, Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics

[hedgetrimmer]

"Technology, capital, advertisement, trade mark and patent etc, are all weapons of war. Winner takes all is the same as victor monopolies authority. Economics crisis is the same as economics war is consuming both sides most fiercely."

Han Deqiang,
Economics and Management School,
Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics

[meadsjn]

You know, we really are out of place joking about the French surrendering prematurely.

The only difference is that our elected officials are surrendering the lives and fortunes of all our future generations also.

[A. Pole]

A new policy by China's governing body the State Council will rule that all ministries have to buy only locally-produced software at the next upgrade cycle.

The move, aimed at breaking the dominance of U.S.-based Microsoft on desktop computers, will eliminate Microsoft's Windows operating system and Office productivity suite from hundreds of thousands of Chinese government computers in a few years' time.

A nice payback for all this outsourcing!

[Golden Eagle]

Why would I support M$ against Linux?

Because it's an American product, versus your foreign conceived and maintained Linux. That is the point of this thread, but you seem to prefer defending Communist China for some reason.

[Golden Eagle]

My thoughts too...

If you like steve50 support the Chinese in this line of reasoning, then you wouldn't want any Linux in the US government, right?

[steve50]

That is the point of this thread, but you seem to prefer defending Communist China for some reason.

I said that it would be stupid for China to use software that they couldn't be sure was secure, the same as it would be stupid for the U.S. of A to do the same. Not sure how you get supporting China out of that, I'm supporting common sense. You must have cash riding on M$.

[Golden Eagle]

Can you point to a few of these "many sensitive projects?"

Sure, MS works very closely with the US government on many projects, especially for DoD. Here's one I found with a simple Yahoo search:

http://www.gcn.com/vol19_no27/dod/2868-1.html

Creating a "son of Windows" to run an aircraft carrier.

[Golden Eagle]

I said that it would be stupid for China to use software that they couldn't be sure was secure, the same as it would be stupid for the U.S. of A to do the same.

No that's not what you said, you said it made sense for China to use Linux, because MS was not Chinese. However you refuse to accept an equivalent argument that the US should use US derived software instead of foreign derived software like Linux, because you indicated the US derived software was somehow inferior.

It's obvious your bias is against US software, or you really need to straighten your position up, a lot.

[Golden Eagle]

Another thread here has the NSA distributing a secure Linux for their use. Looks like the NSA doesn't trust M$ software.

And if you cared to read the rebutts of thread, you would see the the constant attempts by the Linux crowd to infer that it is somehow an endorsement by the NSA of Linux is simply incorrect. It is clearly not an endorsement of Linux, provide me the link there and I will show where it is only some testing going on, and is "not a secure solution" I believe it says.

[Golden Eagle]

Also eliminated: Red Hat Linux, SuSe, Solaris, etc....

Unless I missed your point, SuSe is not an American product. Germany is where it comes from.

[Golden Eagle]

You must have cash riding on M$.

Probably in some mutual somewhere, but my cash is riding on the US economy. Technology is our #1 export now, and your precious little Linux is now shutting out MS, Sun, Oracle, Apple, you name it out of the Chinese market. This is about a lot more than MS, although many of you can't ever see beyond that.

[Golden Eagle]

Come see the latest development in the worldwide software war.

[harpseal]

You know, we really are out of place joking about the French surrendering prematurely.

The only difference is that our elected officials are surrendering the lives and fortunes of all our future generations also.

At least the French are doing it out of a sense of self preservation and some have showed elan.

[Bush2000]

Come see the latest development in the worldwide software war.

Now this is the open source community's idea of competition. You can choose any OS you want -- as long as it's Linux.

[Incorrigible]

You've seen it before, but how could I resist!?

 

[dennisw]

I don't agree with your appeal to nationalism that Microsoft represents America abroad. That I should favor Microsoft because they represent American capitalist efforts while Linux is Euro-socialist-collectivist crap. That even worse, now there's a ChiCom version of it.

I don't go along with your narrative because:
1) I detest the way M$ has done business through the years. A bad example of capitalism.
2) M$ has hired tons of H1-B workers so is not particularly loyal to American workers nor patriotic. When I think of corporations that are patriotic M$ never comes to mind.
3) Linux is developed by people from all over the world through I'll admit it is a collective/collectivist effort

 

 

[Golden Eagle]

I take it that means you'd prefer to see this through to the ultimate linux fantasy - the complete destruction of the largest market cap company in America? Sorry, but that's not something I'm interested in, especially if the hole left in our economy isn't filled by another US company, but rather some worldwide "movement" that won't stop until the rest of the US for-profit software industry is destroyed as well.

[dennisw]

I take it that means you'd prefer to see this through to the ultimate linux fantasy - the complete destruction of the largest market cap company in America?

I could care less. Besides market cap is no big deal and is deceptive. Total M$ income is puny compared to real companies like IBM. So piss on them. Technology migrates, transfuses. So it not such a big deal to make a great office suite or operating system anymore. M$ is flogging a line of mature products so now it devotes much resources to extracting the maximum revenue from it's loyal corporate customers via rip-off pricing schemes. And during a recession no less! M$ is flogging a line of mature products so it devotes more resources to combating piracy.

[ThinkDifferent]

So why don't you help us block Linux from being used inside the US government?

1. Who is "us"?
2. Does the government have your permission to use BSD, since it was developed in the US?