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Janitor Beaten Outside Church (Pastor Preached Against Homosexuality)
The Plain Dealer (Cleveland) ^ | 08-19-03 | Sarah Treffinger

Posted on 08/19/2003 8:08:07 AM PDT by Paved Paradise

I have never posted before so have mercy on me. Cleveland Plain Dealer reports the following:

A part-time church janitor suspects men beat him because the pastor preached against homosexuality, police said yesterday.

Richard Bilski, 49, of Sheffield Lake, told police that the unidentified men assaulted him Sunday morning outside the non-denominational Church on the Rise after demanding to know when Pastor Paul Endrei would arrive.

Bilski said the men then fled, one yelling, "This is a message for Pastor Paul."

Capt. Guy Turner said police have no way of knowing the motive for the attack, but Bilski and Endrei said they believe the men were retaliating for an August 10 sermon in which the pastor called homosexuality a sin.

Endrei said in a telephone interview that he preached about the Rev. Gene Robinson, who became the first openly gay Episcopalian confirmed as a bishop.

"I told the congregation, "The Gospel according to Gene Robinson is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ," he said. The point of the sermon was that "we love the homosexual, but we hate the sin."

Buck Harris, a former host of a gay-themed radio talk show said sermons such as Endrei's can fuel hate crimes.

"If they don't preach tolerance, they are preaching violence," Harris said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cleveland.com ...


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1 posted on 08/19/2003 8:08:08 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise
The conclusion arrived at by the researchers, based upon these figures, is that the rate of abuse between urban homosexual men in intimate relationships "is a very serious public health problem."Major Scientific Study Examines Domestic Violence Among Gay Men

The bottom line is that we can now show that relative to their numbers the amount of violence in homosexual relationships is very high. Gay Domestic Violence Finally Measured

The homosexual historical footprint is large when it comes to the rape and murder of children. The most notorious child killer might be Gilles de Rais (Bluebeard), remembered for raping, torturing, and killing perhaps 800 boys in 15th century France. Gilles often raped the boy as he hung from a hook by the neck. Before he died, Gilles took him down, comforted him, repeated the act and either killed him himself or had him slain. In his confession, Gilles testified that "when the children were dead he kissed them and those who had the most handsome limbs and heads he held up to admire them, and had their bodies cut open and took delight at the sight of their inner organs; and very often when the said children were dying he sat on their stomachs and took pleasure in seeing them die and laughed..." (www.crimelibrary.com)

At the turn of the 19th century, "hobos" or "bums" in the U.S. were often driven from towns because it was believed that they were responsible for raping and killing boys. Even the murder of a boy by homosexual lovers Leopold and Loeb in 1924, then called the "crime of the century," likely involved rape. As of July 23, 2001, the Associated Press list of the worst serial killers in the United States was topped by Donald Harvey, followed by John Wayne Gacy, Patrick Kearney, Bruce Davis and Dean Corll in descending number of victims (www.crimelibrary.com). All these perpetrators of serial crimes in the 1970s and 1980s engaged in homosexuality, and the majority of the victims for the last four killers were boys. The Family Research Institute

 

2 posted on 08/19/2003 8:19:49 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Paved Paradise
Okay. I missed the part where the janitor is revealed to be gay himself (your title says he is). Is this the entire article? If not, do you have the URL to it? I will post and link it for you.
3 posted on 08/19/2003 8:20:07 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Paved Paradise
Buck Harris, a former host of a gay-themed radio talk show said sermons such as Endrei's can fuel hate crimes.

"If they don't preach tolerance, they are preaching violence," Harris said.


Tolerance........the new religion.
4 posted on 08/19/2003 8:21:11 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: hellinahandcart
Well, I never did this before so I'm not sure how to get the URL. The article was in the Plain Dealer so I didn't get it on-line, but read it in today's paper. Also, in the article it says the janitor believes the men beat him because the pastor preached against homosexuality. So, to me, that pretty much indicates that the janitor is acknowledging his homosexuality. The news blurb was also on a radio station this morning. There doesn't seem to be a question as to the man's sexual preferences.
5 posted on 08/19/2003 8:23:17 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise
Sounds like the gay community is not only seeing self-fulfilling prophecies fulfilled; they are SEEING that their self-fulfilling prophecies get fulfilled.

The pink swastika.
6 posted on 08/19/2003 8:23:44 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: PeterPrinciple
and...

non-acceptance is preaching violence
7 posted on 08/19/2003 8:23:53 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Paved Paradise
I am confused. The article says that the janitor and the pastor think this was an attack in retaliation for the sermon, but the thrust of the article seems to be that the sermon incited the violence because it was anti-gay. However, if the attackers are antigay, and the sermon was antigay, then how come they said "this is a msg" for the pastor? If appears as if the pastor was too easy on homos for the attackers? This story does not compute. I do, however, get the drift of the left wing liars who will make this the latest craze since church burnings, so that they can brow beat and hector well meaning people to accept their agenda.
8 posted on 08/19/2003 8:23:56 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Paved Paradise
Why would someone be beaten for being happy?
9 posted on 08/19/2003 8:26:15 AM PDT by ASA Vet ("No Comment.")
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To: hellinahandcart; Paved Paradise
I think the jist of the article is some gay activists beat up a janitor at the church in response to the pastors message.

I looked for the article at the Plain Dealer and couldn't find it. For consistency do not re-name articles so others don't repost.

10 posted on 08/19/2003 8:26:21 AM PDT by Damocles (sword of...)
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"If they don't preach tolerance, they are preaching violence," Harris said.

A very Orwellian comment. If expression of moral opposition to homosexuality is equated with "preaching violence," then the law will be used to punish those who oppose homosexuality. Then what becomes of tolerance for those who oppose homosexuality? It vanishes. Thus in the name of tolerance, tolerance is eliminated.
11 posted on 08/19/2003 8:27:26 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle (uo)
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To: Huck

This story does not compute

Finding: Compared with their heterosexual peers, homosexual men were at greater risk for psychiatric disorders, including mood and anxiety disorders, bipolar disorders, major depression, obsessive-compulsive disorders, panic disorder, agoraphobia, social phobia, and simple phobia.

Sample or Data Description
5,998 Dutch adults

Source
Theo G. M. Sandfort
"Same-Sex Sexual Behavior and Psychiatric Disorders"
Archives of General Psychiatry.
Vol. 58, Number . , 2001. Page(s) 85-91.

12 posted on 08/19/2003 8:28:22 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Steve_Seattle
To complete my thought, if expressing moral disapproval of homosexuality is equated with preaching violence, then are not ALL expressions of moral disapproval - no matter what the issue - tantamount to encouraging violence? What then becomes of free speech?
13 posted on 08/19/2003 8:30:29 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle (uo)
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To: Paved Paradise
Well, it could also be that the men *wanted* to beat up the pastor, because they were angry that he spoke against the gay bishop, and when the janitor told them the pastor wasn't around, they settled for beating up the (probably-not-a-homosexual)janitor instead.

That way their trip wasn't for nothing.

14 posted on 08/19/2003 8:30:35 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Paved Paradise
Um, no... the janitor is NOT saying he's gay - the janitor is saying he was beat up because the pastor preached an "anti-gay" sermon....
15 posted on 08/19/2003 8:30:38 AM PDT by dandelion
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To: hellinahandcart; Paved Paradise; All
Okay. I missed the part where the janitor is revealed to be gay himself (your title says he is).

I missed it too, perhaps because it's not there.

Here's the story in full, with a link, under its original headline.

Janitor beaten outside church

08/19/03

Sarah Treffinger
Plain Dealer Reporter

Westlake - A part-time church janitor suspects three men beat him because his pastor preached against homosexuality, police said yesterday.

Richard Bilski, 49, of Sheffield Lake, told police that the unidentified men assaulted him Sunday morning outside the nondenominational Church on the Rise after demanding to know when Pastor Paul Endrei would arrive.

Bilski said the men then fled, one yelling, "This is a message for Pastor Paul."

Capt. Guy Turner said police have no way of knowing the motive for the attack, but Bilski and Endrei said they believe the men were retaliating for an Aug. 10 sermon in which the pastor called homosexuality a sin.

Endrei said in a telephone interview that he preached about the Rev. Gene Robinson, who became the first openly gay Episcopalian confirmed as a bishop.

"I told the congregation, 'The Gospel according to Gene Robinson is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ,' " he said. The point of his sermon was that "we love the homosexual, but we hate the sin."

Buck Harris, a former host of a gay-themed radio talk show, said sermons such as Endrei's can fuel hate crimes.

"If they don't preach tolerance, they are preaching violence," Harris said.

Bilski, who also works as a letter carrier, told police his attackers arrived at 6:45 a.m. in a white Pontiac Firebird. He reported seeing the same car in the parking lot of the Crocker Road church three or four times last week.

Bilski said yesterday that the men confronted him as he took out the trash. A fight erupted, he said, after he told the men he didn't know when to expect Endrei.

"I'm the janitor, not the timekeeper," he recalled telling the men.

At that point, Bilski said, one man berated him with obscenities and another struck him in the face with a tennis racket. Bilski said the trio also punched him and tore off his shirt as a fourth man looked on. He suffered cuts and bruises to his face, arms, hands and ribs.

"I did nothing against anybody and I'm the one in the middle of this," Bilski said.


16 posted on 08/19/2003 8:31:26 AM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: Damocles
My read as well. I would interpert it as a group of thugs waiting for the pastor to arrive and the janitor showed up first. Based on their comment, it would also suggest they were beating him up because of the message, not as a response to the message.

Surely if this was a homosexual beating this would have made national media?
17 posted on 08/19/2003 8:31:28 AM PDT by Toirdhealbheach Beucail (Am fear nach gheibh na h-airm 'n am na sith, cha bith iad aige 'nam a chogaidh)
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To: Paved Paradise
Preaching against homosexuality is not preaching hate pal. Fags just dont want to hear the truth.
18 posted on 08/19/2003 8:33:12 AM PDT by gedeon3
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To: ASA Vet
Maybe they just don't like janitors.
19 posted on 08/19/2003 8:34:26 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Paved Paradise
Making links and posting graphics is as easy as pie, once you know how. Go to the HTML Sandbox to learn all kinds of fun tricks.
20 posted on 08/19/2003 8:39:24 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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