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Islamofacist Website in Chicago Parties Down Over Jerusalem Bus Bomb
Soundvision.com ^ | 8/20/03 | iowahawk

Posted on 08/20/2003 11:05:14 AM PDT by IowaHawk

Found via the Little Green Footballs blog: I don't know if anything since Sept 11 has enraged and disgusted me more than this - a website out of Bridgeview (promoting "Islamic ideals and images") in full throated ululation over the dead 'Zionist' babies in Jerusalem....

Link Here

As a Chicagoan, this leaves me utterly gobsmacked. I'm not suggesting anything, but please respond in any creative, interesting ways you feel necessary.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: busbombing

1 posted on 08/20/2003 11:05:14 AM PDT by IowaHawk
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To: IowaHawk
I wonder why, if Islam is so tolerant and great, they can't post these things in their own sewers, I mean countries? They come to mine and spew their garbage. The difference is we are a tolerant country and theirs is not. Theirs is a product of Islam, ours is not. THAT is the difference between us and them.
2 posted on 08/20/2003 11:09:58 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Remember kids: We are professionals. Don't try this at home.)
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To: IowaHawk
Ready for some Islamic logic? Let's play "Ask the Imam"!

Question of Fatwa:

As-Salamu`alykum. Some people say that the operations carried out by Palestinians are considered suicidal acts and not a kind of Jihad, is that true? Please tell me whether these acts are martyr operations and a kind of striving in Allah's Cause or not?

Name of Mufti: Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi

Content of Reply:

Wa`alykum As-Salamu wa rahmatullahi wabarakaatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear brother in Islam, we appreciate your forwarding the question to us, with aim of getting acquainted with the teachings of your religion. This is what is required of all Muslims, to strive hard in seeking knowledge with which he will benefit Muslim Ummah.

First of all, we have to bear in mind that when we, Muslims, state that Islam is a religion of peace, we are not trying to prove something unreasonable or solve a crossword puzzle. Rather, we are just stating a fact backed by clear-cut evidence and unquestionable proofs. Even we don’t need to state this fact, for Islam, in itself, is self-explanatory, in terms of its meaning, its noble teachings and the core of its message conveyed by the Prophets Allah sent to mankind. At the same time, all peoples believe that peace and security should be attained through justice and equity.

As regards your question, the following is the fatwa issued by Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of European Council for Fatwa and Research:

"Martyr operations are not suicide and should not be deemed as unjustifiable means of endangering one's life. Allah says in the Glorious Qura'n: "And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good." (Al-Baqara:195).

The verse obviously indicates that failing to spend in Allah's Cause is like casting oneself into ruin. That is the reason behind the revelation of the noble verse. Reviewing the Islamic rule: "Words should be construed as imparting general meanings regardless of their specific occasions", the meaning of the afore-mentioned verse is bound to extend to include any negligence of a religious duty; i.e. forsaking a religious duty entails casting oneself into ruin. The same applies to committing sins.

Therefore, it's quite an abysmal analysis for someone to focus on the afore-mentioned verse through a narrow a perspective, without taking into consideration all relevant points.

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)strictly forbade suicide and made it clear that anyone who commits suicide would be cast into hell. But in such case suicide means Muslim's killing himself without any lawfully accepted reason or killing himself to escape pain or social problems.

On the other hand, in martyr operations, the Muslim sacrifices his own life for the Sake of performing a religious duty, which is Jihad against the enemy as scholars say. Accordingly, a Muslim's intention when committing suicide is certainly different from his intention when performing a military operation and dying in the Cause of Almighty Allah. So it is natural that the religious legal status would differ in each case, as Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) says in a Hadith: "Actions are but by intention, and every man shall have but that which he intended."

This means that martyr operations are totally different from the forbidden suicide. Concerning the Palestinians, they carry out the operations in showing resistance to the aggression launched by the enemy who has occupied their land, destroyed their houses, desecrated their sacred places and driven about four million of them out of their houses, replacing them with even larger numbers of Jewish settlements.

The enemy relies on sophisticated military equipments while, at the same time, denying the Palestinians their basic human rights, killing their women, children and men mercilessly, and rendering the Palestinians powerless and incapable of defending themselves – even all the Arab countries face the same fate, lacking necessary weapons.

So the Palestinians have nothing in their disposal but stones which they throw at their enemy in order to defend their country. This, despite its indication of a high morale, cannot deter the enemy this way. So the Palestinians resort to martyr operations, in which the martyr blows himself/herself up, sacrificing his life for the sake of his country and inflicting serious but reciprocal harms on the enemy.

In the light of the above-mentioned facts, I believe that those missions are a sacred duty carried out in form of self-defence and resisting aggression and injustice. So whoever is killed in such missions is a martyr, may Allah bless him with high esteem. I call on every Palestinian not to hesitate in carrying out such operations as long as they are the only way of making Jihad and are made with an intention of sacrificing one's life for the Sake of one's religion and nation. I wish that other scholars who hesitate concerning such a matter to reconsider their views according to what I have said and what other scholars have said. May Allah guide us all to what is right."

3 posted on 08/20/2003 11:27:45 AM PDT by Sender
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To: IowaHawk
Arrest them all. Try them. If they are found guilty of treason, hang them in the Capitol Mall and beam the event world wide.
4 posted on 08/20/2003 11:30:15 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: Sender
The only difference between Islam and pig sh*t is that pig sh*t can be beneficial.
5 posted on 08/20/2003 11:30:44 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: IowaHawk
I'm not suggesting anything . . .

Same here.

WHOIS

Ahmed Murad + Chicago

6 posted on 08/20/2003 11:30:54 AM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: belmont_mark
Well a man come on the 6 o’clock news
Said somebody’s been shot, somebody’s been abused
Somebody blew up a building
Somebody stole a car
Somebody got away
Somebody didn’t get too far yeah
They didn’t get too far

Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked that he done
Take all the rope in Texas
Find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys
Hang them high in the street for all the people to see that

[Chorus:]

Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles we’ll sing a victory tune
We’ll all meet back at the local saloon
We’ll raise up our glasses against evil forces
Singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses

We got too many gangsters doing dirty deeds
We’ve got too much corruption, too much crime in the streets
It’s time the long arm of the law put a few more in the ground
Send ’em all to their maker and he’ll settle ’em down
You can bet he’ll set ’em down ’cause

Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles we’ll sing a victory tune
We’ll all meet back at the local saloon
We’ll raise up our glasses against evil forces
Singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses
7 posted on 08/20/2003 11:34:04 AM PDT by Alouette (Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: IowaHawk
I would not doubt that these scumbags are giving a lot of money that eventually pays off the families of suicide murderers. Money for murder is the same as murder. Not to speak of the fact that this is sucking money out of our economy...
8 posted on 08/20/2003 11:41:06 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: Sender
Y'know, the Imam here manages to neatly sidestep the fact that these "martyr" attacks are specifically aimed not against the armed "aggressors" he mentions, but against old men, women, and children.

Therefore, Islam is a religion of peace that encourages its devout worshippers to slaughter as many women, babies, and other innocents as possible. How these people cannot see this simple logic--that a "religion of peace" simply cannot celebrate killing innocents--is beyond me. It's why I despair that the Palestinians will ever be mature enough to deserve their own state.

Those who truly believe these Satanic verses are nothing more than savages and should be treated accordingly.

}:-)4
9 posted on 08/20/2003 11:41:56 AM PDT by Moose4 (I'm the moose, bring on the cheese baby!)
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To: IowaHawk
I HOPE Homeland Security and FBI watch this site and others.....

Tia

10 posted on 08/20/2003 11:54:58 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: Moose4
Agreed. I can't see the Palestinians ever reforming, nor reducing their demands such as the 'right of return'. And as long as their holy men keep encouraging the slaughter of innocents, there is no 'road map' and no 'peace process'.

It is truly astounding to see their 'logic', and yet they don't see. Well then, if it's jihad they want, it's lead they'll get. The Imam says resisting aggression is a sacred duty. I agree with him on that count, however not with the same result.

11 posted on 08/20/2003 11:55:16 AM PDT by Sender
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To: IowaHawk

Find out why Americans are accepting Islam!
Excellent documentary for dawa*
Shown on TV Across the US & Canada!

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12 posted on 08/20/2003 12:07:30 PM PDT by Sender
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To: Sender
So who all is there posting?
13 posted on 08/20/2003 12:08:03 PM PDT by smith288 ('This time I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton.' - Uday Hussein)
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To: smith288
Follow the link at the top of this article and see. About a third posting in Arabic so I can't tell what they're saying, another third who are glad the bus blew up "so they will know how we feel" and another third who don't agree with blowing up buses.
14 posted on 08/20/2003 12:48:36 PM PDT by Sender
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To: IowaHawk
soundvision pulled down the forums. Does anyone have an archive of them?
15 posted on 08/30/2003 10:47:23 PM PDT by Petruchio (<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
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