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Is Media Ignoring Boy?s Murder Case Because Suspects Are Gay?
ABC News ^ | 4/13/2003 | ABC News Staff

Posted on 08/21/2003 4:47:51 AM PDT by JesseHousman

A 13-year-old boy in Arkansas dies after a horrific sexual crime but much of the national media ignore the story. Conservative columnists and other critics think they know why — because the boy's accused killers are gay.

"[The media] doesn't want the public to think about homosexuality and pedophilia and torture and the murder of children," says Don Feder, a conservative columnist at the Boston Herald. The boy, Jesse Dirkhising, was bound, drugged, tortured and raped for five hours before he died in 1999.

Last month, a jury convicted Joshua Brown, 23, of rape and murder. Brown was sentenced to life in prison without parole, the maximum sentence. Brown's lover, Davis Carpenter, 39, goes on trial next month.

But the case received little attention in the national media. Critics say that is evidence of pro-gay bias, noting that news organizations gave extensive coverage to the 1998 murder of Matthew Shepard, a young gay man who was hung on a fence post by two straight men and left to die.

Protesters outside Brown's trial in Bentonville, Ark. held signs that read, "Pro-Gay Media Shame." Conservative and anti-gay groups have made the same argument for months on their Web sites and in their publications.

Their argument was given more weight when it was embraced by one of the country's most provocative gay writers, Andrew Sullivan, in The New Republic.

Sullivan compared media coverage of the two cases, and found what he described as a "staggering" discrepancy. He concluded that the media "hyped" the Shepard case to build support for the inclusion of gays under federal hate crime protection, and ignored the Dirkhising case for fear of feeding anti-gay prejudice.

"I think there is clearly evidence that many in the media decided we're not going to go there because we know it will feed anti-gay prejudice," Sullivan told ABCNEWS.

Editors at the television networks and major newspapers have responded that they covered the Shepard crime because it was part of a national issue — hate crime legislation.

"For a crime story or a murder story, even a horrific and sad one like [that of] Jesse Dirkhising, to be covered by the national press, I think there has to be an issue of larger social significance attached to it," says Martha Moore, a media reporter for USA Today.

Editors say that while it may seem cold, countless rapes and murders — gay and straight — regularly go unreported in the national media because they are not part of a larger issue.

Editors also say that the horrific details of the Dirkhising case made it hard to report.

According to an account Brown gave police after his arrest, he and Carpenter had tied Dirkhising to a bed with duct tape as part of a "game." Then they gave Dirkhising an enema of urine that they had dosed with amitriptyline, an antidepressant and a sedative.

Jesse was gagged with a pair of dirty underwear while Brown raped the boy and Carpenter directed the scene, according to Brown's account. The boy died of suffocation, which Brown said was an accident.

Brown told police he was acting on instructions that Carpenter wrote and drew for him on a pad of paper. Prosecutors plan to use the notes and diagrams as evidence at Carpenter's trial.

Another charge prosecutors intend to make at Carpenter's trial is that the men were planning on other rapes. Prosecutors intend to to submit handwritten short stories that police found in Carpenter's apartment, which were explicit writings envisioning future rapes and tortures, mentioning one local girl by name.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: abcnews; analcanallove; dirkhising; donfeder; dontbendover; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; jessedirkhising; lavendermafia; liberalmedia; matthewshepard; mediabias; murder; pc; pedophilia; prisoners; torture
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I did a search on this site and didn't come up with this article. Somewhere in the shuffle of news items important ones, such as this one, get forgotten or lost.

This is a surprisingly candid piece on the disgusting murder of young Jesse Dirkhising by ABC.

1 posted on 08/21/2003 4:47:51 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman
You know its not politically correct to mention gay people can be beasts too. I'm sure most of them live lives like us straights do but its no excuse to censor pertinent details about a crime just because gays MIGHT be offended.
2 posted on 08/21/2003 4:52:58 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: JesseHousman
You haven't heard about this??? You've got to be kidding. It was only posted on FR about 400 times (when the story was current, that is).
3 posted on 08/21/2003 4:57:09 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: JesseHousman
Some crimes more hateful than others
4 posted on 08/21/2003 4:57:18 AM PDT by mikeb704
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To: JesseHousman
Uh, this is old news....really old!
5 posted on 08/21/2003 5:09:28 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I seem to be the source of gravity, everything seems to fall on me....)
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To: tdadams
You cant post it enough. Gays have an agenda and their MOs need to be brought forth and put in the public eye as much as possible. In todays press all you see is their side and not the side of those they have harmed and what they do to humanity.
Gays have gained control of the mass media along with the liberals.Just look how they have blended in to the leadership of the religious community. They brainwash America into thinking what they do comes from natural tendacies. These tendacies will become natural over time if they are allowed to go unaddressed.
They try to seperate pedophiles and homosexuals. There is no difference. In the coming years NAMBLA will have their way and your children will be orientated to this lifestyle.
Even if there is not a GOD nature dictates this lifestyle will not allow mankind to survive.
6 posted on 08/21/2003 5:30:30 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: tdadams
I read about the case as it was reported in a few sources. I thought this one interesting because it was written by ABC news staffers.

I'm certain there are some out there that would like to forget this, but I believe this story about how young Dirkhising was murdered by two sodomites to be poignant and certainly germain to the topic of homosexuals today.

I believe that in a large majority of killings the perpetrator was a homosexual who went from one unnatural way to achieve orgasm to an even more sinister one. In many cases, the homosexual killer murdered large numbers of young boys and in some cases ate his prey.

Being narcissistic, these deviates saw nothing wrong in murdering innocents, because it was to their greater glory to do so.

The more information that the public has available to them, the more they will begin to realize the inherent evil in homosexuals, their acts and their agenda.

Their agenda, of course, is to get their hands on as many of our children as possible.

As a Libertarian, Adams, you should appreciate that.

7 posted on 08/21/2003 5:33:29 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: gunnedah
You cant post it enough.

I would have to disagree. While I don't argue that this crime was as egregious as they come, seeing it posted and re-posted and re-posted is a bit tiresome. Just because you're late coming to the news doesn't mean you should bore the rest of us with another re-post.

I'm also more than weary with the anti-gay zealots here who want to post every story like this ad infinitum just to smear gay people as murderous child molesters.

8 posted on 08/21/2003 5:37:38 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Uh, hmm, doh!

I searched and saw it hadn't been posted. Please see my comment #7.

There are many, and I'm not saying you're one of them, that would like to see this story dead and buried with young Dirkhising. That being the case, I want to resurrect it.

Many of us get sick and tired of hearing about poor Matthew, hung out to dry on a barbed-wire fence to die of overexposure. It was, in the new PC terminology a Hate Crime. This case is a Hate Crime that will continue on and on because homosexuals are potential killers.

9 posted on 08/21/2003 5:41:40 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman
Gives me hope for the mass media - not much mind you, but some hope.
10 posted on 08/21/2003 5:44:15 AM PDT by fortaydoos
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To: tdadams
...to smear gay people as murderous child molesters.

That is indeed what they are and they deserve to be smeared again and again. They are, in fact, potential killers who have murdered thousands over the years for the sake of extreme perversion.

Incidentally, I've said it before, but I posted this because ABC had released it, which I thought most unusual.

11 posted on 08/21/2003 5:45:16 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: tdadams
How simply terrible for you, that the HomoFascists leave you bored.
12 posted on 08/21/2003 5:45:49 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: JesseHousman
Well, thanks for that reply. You just supplied Exhibit A in my anti-gay zealot case.
13 posted on 08/21/2003 5:47:11 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
Exhibit A in my anti-gay zealot case

Thanks! In the war against the Homosexual Agenda For America, I'm proud to receive this.

Since you must believe that homosexuals constitute a new race of people, you no doubt socialize with homosexuals from time to time and no doubt, on occasion, at home.

Under no circumstances should you allow one to prepare dinner. Occasionally the main course is a shocker.

14 posted on 08/21/2003 5:58:04 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: Zavien Doombringer
You're right this old news. Only I thought it was the daughters of a guy named Lot in a city called Sodom they killed. Oops...sorry wrong story.

BTW, I hadn't heard this story either...
15 posted on 08/21/2003 5:59:41 AM PDT by aardvark1
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To: aardvark1
Well, God's judgment fell on Sodom and Gammorah, Greece and Rome fell because of like matters...

I believe we are facing the Wrath of God if this nation doesn't repent!

16 posted on 08/21/2003 6:01:29 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I seem to be the source of gravity, everything seems to fall on me....)
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To: JesseHousman
Geesh, that made a lot of sense. You must be competing with Fred Phelps for the looniest zealot award.
17 posted on 08/21/2003 6:08:23 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
... that made a lot of sense...

Coming from a True Libertarian, I consider that insult an honor, sir or madame.

18 posted on 08/21/2003 6:13:00 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman

"you're gay, Gray, right? Feel like a steambath?"

Here's something to cut out and put under a magnet on your refrigerator.

19 posted on 08/21/2003 6:16:29 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman
Bet the Democatic Underground forum won't steal this article and post it in there! They steal everything else in here.
20 posted on 08/21/2003 6:24:24 AM PDT by shiva
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To: JesseHousman
According to the Kinsey Report, the boy enjoyed it.
21 posted on 08/21/2003 6:30:52 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: JesseHousman
Sorry, while I abhore homosexuality, calling them all potential murderers is exactly the same as when NOW refers to all men as potential rapists. It may be technically accurate, it is sensationalistic and greatly overstates the case.
22 posted on 08/21/2003 6:46:57 AM PDT by sharktrager (There are 2 kids of people in this world: people with loaded guns and people who dig.)
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To: JesseHousman
What else is new? MAJOR BUMP!!!
23 posted on 08/21/2003 6:51:10 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: tdadams; JesseHousman
You haven't heard about this???

Many have not heard about this, so it is helpful to repost and remind.

Good job Jesse!

24 posted on 08/21/2003 6:51:12 AM PDT by eleni121
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To: JesseHousman
Here's another one you probably didn't hear about from the lamestream media:


Jeffrey Curley

[I]n East Cambridge, Massachusetts, ten year old Jeffrey Curley was lured into a car by two young men who promised him $50 and a new bicycle.

The criminals, Salvatore Sicari and his homosexual lover, Charles Jaynes, mechanics and petty thieves, had spent months soliciting Jeffrey's trust.

Once they had him in the car, Jaynes reportedly tried to force sex on Jeffrey.

When the child resisted his 300 pound black assailant, Jaynes sat on and suffocated him with a gasoline-soaked rag.

Sicari and Jaynes then drove to New Hampshire where Jaynes abused the boy's body before putting it in a barrel with concrete and dumping it into a river in Southern Maine. --source

[In Charles Jaynes's apartment, a]long with general NAMBLA materials, Cambridge police found a manual titled "Rape and Escape" published by the pedophile organization.

"The book literally details how pedophiles can lure, befriend, and rape a child, then avoid detection and prosecution," Aiken said.

According to trial records, the killers of Jeffrey Curley followed one of the [NAMBLA} manual’s suggestions. The men stole Jeffrey’s bicycle, befriended him as they helped in a fruitless search, then offered to buy Jeffrey a new bike.

The men were on the way to the store with Jeffrey when they offered him money for sexual favors. As Jeffrey rebuffed them, they resorted to force, eventually suffocating the boy. The men then raped the corpse. --source

25 posted on 08/21/2003 7:02:00 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: tdadams
You have the right to disagree. I have not just read this item, I have a copy filed somewhere when it first happened.
Also call me anti-gay, that makes me think you are pro-gay, so be it.
All we see in the news are special rights and that is OK to, but if you only see one side that is no more than brainwashing by the media.Any time a gay is beat up, harrassed or addressed it continually stays in the headlines.I have personally seen the destruction brought on by this lifestyle and I refuse to stay quite or hide. I will voice an opposing view of this lifestyle every time I get a chance.You never see movies of those like Jesse Dirhising but you see those from the gay persuasion.
I try not to print any opinions on here that I have not learned from my lifes experiences.
The problem is most victims have become weary and in most cases they have no one to defend them and are to ashamed to tell the story.
26 posted on 08/21/2003 7:11:20 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: gunnedah
Also call me anti-gay, that makes me think you are pro-gay

I'm pro-mind-your-own-business. I'm anti-anti-gay crusader.

I have personally seen the destruction brought on by this lifestyle and I refuse to stay quite or hide. I will voice an opposing view of this lifestyle every time I get a chance.

You're so valiant. Just don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

27 posted on 08/21/2003 7:18:26 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
The case and the story is old, but the outcome of the trial is new, and I, for one, am glad to know the outcome. I only wish these two could suffer the torture they meted out.Also news to me is the bit about the "stories" written to show plans, visions, desires of further rapes.

My grandmother had an old saying that is succinct and to the point vis-a-vis the homo agenda:"Enough is enough, and too much is nasty." Well, to me, their agenda has been nasty all along, and it is getting even nastier. They intend to be in our faces at church, on the news, on tv programs, in movies, and most awfully--at school with our children, who are being brainwashed into believing that these perverts are a maligned minority--misunderstood, poor victims of a hateful, homophobic society. I am sick of it, when actually the median income for homos is far above that for other citizens, let alone victim classes such as blacks and hispanics. They have money, media, influence at all levels--enough to coarsen the culture and make black white.

vaudine

vaudine
28 posted on 08/21/2003 7:20:19 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: JesseHousman
So the torture and rape of a straight BOY by queer MEN, who PLAN on adding MORE torture and rape of straight BOYS to their resume, is NOT a hate crime NOR part of a larger SOCIAL issue?? Crazy friggin media!
29 posted on 08/21/2003 7:25:29 AM PDT by PISANO
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To: tdadams
I find this/these stories horrifying, not tiresome. As for posting every egregious act of the homo zealots, we are already 2 or 3 decades behind their flourishing agenda. Ignoring it has come to the pass we are at with the churches, "entertainment" programs, media, etc.

It is all of a piece with taking any mention of God out of the public square--the tearing of the traditional fabric of our society.

If a sculpture of two naked men copulating had been placed in the Montgomery courthouse lobby, anyone want to bet it would have been removed as obscene, unnatural, an affront to society. I don't think so! It would be "art" and untouchable, in case removal would insult that most sensitive group--homosexuals.

vaudine
30 posted on 08/21/2003 7:28:33 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: tdadams
See...the gays won't mind their own business.

THEY insist on sticking their noses into our childrens' affairs.

Should they back the hell off and jump back into the closet, it's likely the defense of innocent children and impressionable adolescents as expressed in opposition to homosexuality will rescind a bit.
31 posted on 08/21/2003 7:29:10 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: JesseHousman
INTREP
32 posted on 08/21/2003 7:43:27 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: JesseHousman; EdReform
Thanks Jesse.

It is important to always keep the name of JESSE DIRKHISING alive even though the 'homosexuals killed him.

It is also important to note that this rape/murder was committed by a supposedly monogamous 'homosexual' couple.

Ed, One for the list.

33 posted on 08/21/2003 7:54:14 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: JesseHousman
Is Media Ignoring Boy's Murder Case Because Suspects Are Gay?

At the time they ignored it because the suspects were gay. Now they're just ignoring it because it's old.

34 posted on 08/21/2003 7:56:42 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: JesseHousman
That is indeed what they are and they deserve to be smeared again and again. They are, in fact, potential killers who have murdered thousands over the years for the sake of extreme perversion.

Dean Corll
John Wayne Gacy
Jeffrey Dahmer

If homosexual rape/torture/murder were an isolated incident, it might be true that this case is blown out of proportion. But it's not the first time young boys ahve been raped by homosexuals nor the last, and it won't be the last time such behavior sometimes leads to murder.

No, all homosexuals are not like this but their attraction to underaged boys and their proselytizing to underaged youth are, at this point, beyond question.

If anything, I think more parents would be worried that their son could become Jesse than could become Matthew.

35 posted on 08/21/2003 8:06:12 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (http://righteverytime1.blogspot.com - home to Tall_Texan's latest column.)
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To: shhrubbery!
It's good that you posted this regarding young Curley.

To imagine the horror of the last minutes of this young life is just too much!

I just read the following blurb from recent history:

In July 1998, in their Psychological Bulletin, the APA published "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples."

The authors did no research of their own. They used 59 earlier "studies" (two dozen of which were never published or given peer review) to develop the goofy conclusion that unforced sex between an adult and a child may not be a harmful experience but a "positive" one.

The North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) considered the study "good news." Their web site proclaims that "sex does not pose the danger to minors claimed by police, prosecutors and prudes crusading against man/boy love."

Apparently, the current mayors of San Francisco and New York City agree. Why else would they choose to march in "homosexual pride" parades, along with a self-identified group of proud and practicing pedophiles.

...not be a harmful experience but a "positive" one...

Are they saying that since little Jeffrey wouldn't give permission for them to sodomize him, then it's okay to kill and abuse his corpse?These degenerates must be eliminated from society unstead of placing them on a pedestal to be admired for their digusting, useless lives.

If a sicko torures a cat and kills it, the media is up in arms and you'll read it forever. But to continue to make an issue about crimes like these that cry to Heaven for vengeance and we're told "time to move along. There's nothing more to see here." Like sheep we mosey along and then, damnit, it happens again and again!

36 posted on 08/21/2003 8:15:28 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: Zavien Doombringer
The conviction is new. Took 4 years for the one guy's trial and the other guy's trial hasn't even started yet.
37 posted on 08/21/2003 8:19:28 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: All
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) calls a $200-million lawsuit against the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) a "witch hunt."

The suit is being brought by the family of slain 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley, who was molested and murdered by two men. Police found NAMBLA materials in the home of one of those men, Charles Jaynes.

Attorneys for Robert and Barbara Curley, of Cambridge, Massachusetts, have asked a federal judge to let them sue NAMBLA under Rico laws, which target criminal conspiracies.

NAMBLA is a "criminal" organization "that exists to train pedophiles to rape children," according to the suit.

The Curley lawsuit also demands the names of all NAMBLA members.

"That, more than anything, shows the purpose of this suit and why it should be dismissed," ACLU attorney John Reinstein told the court in his petition to have the case dismissed.

The ACLU is also petitioning the court to gag the attorneys of both sides in an effort to keep the case out of the press.

"I am amazed at the irony of the ACLU, the self-proclaimed guardians of free speech, calling for a gag order," Steve Aiken, director of communications for the Traditional Values Coalition, told C&F Report. The Traditional Values Coalition is helping to fund the Curley lawsuit.

"The ACLU and other defenders of NAMBLA do not want the public to hear the truth about NAMBLA and the role it played in the death of Jeffrey Curley," he added.

Along with general NAMBLA materials, Cambridge police found a manual titled "Rape and Escape" published by the pedophile organization.

"The book literally details how pedophiles can lure, befriend, and rape a child, then avoid detection and prosecution," Aiken said.

According to trial records, the killers of Jeffrey Curley followed one of the manual’s suggestions. The men stole Jeffrey’s bicycle, befriended him as they helped in a fruitless search, then offered to buy Jeffrey a new bike.

The men were on the way to the store with Jeffrey when they offered him money for sexual favors. As Jeffrey rebuffed them, they resorted to force, eventually suffocating the boy. The men then raped the corpse.

Since the death of his son, Robert Curley has been grappling with the inconsistency of his so-called "gay friendly" hometown. Community leaders have virtually ignored the family’s loss. The city of Cambridge has several markers and memorials to murdered homosexuals. Sen. Edward Kennedy(D), despite his vocal outrage at the death of Wyoming college student Matthew Shepard, has declined to comment about the death of Jeffrey Curley.

38 posted on 08/21/2003 8:21:34 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: All
Jeffrey Curley, 10 years young, RAPED by TWO GAY MEN and MURDERED.

Oct. 10, 1997

By MARTIN FINUCANE, Associated Press

BOSTON (May 16, 2000 8:23 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - The parents of a 10-year-old boy who was killed by two men after he resisted their
sexual advances filed a $200 million lawsuit Tuesday against the North American Man/Boy Love Association, claiming one of the killers was incited by the group.

Barbara and Robert Curley allege that NAMBLA "encourages its members to
rape male children." Their wrongful death suit filed in federal court also
claims that "NAMBLA serves as a conduit for an underground network of
pedophiles in the United States."

Jeffrey Curley was killed on Oct. 1, 1997. Salvatore Sicari was convicted
of first-degree murder in the case, while Charles Jaynes was convicted of
second-degree murder and kidnapping.

Prosecutors said the two young men were sexually obsessed with the boy,
lured him from his Cambridge neighborhood with the promise of a new bike
and then smothered him with a gasoline-soaked rag when he resisted their
sexual advances.

The lawsuit alleges that Jaynes joined NAMBLA in the fall of 1996, read the
group's publication and Web site and "became obsessed with having sex with
and raping young male children."

The message box at the North American Man/Boy Love Association phone
listing in New York City was full late Tuesday. The message said the
organization "speaks out against societal repression and celebrates the
joys of men and boys in love." ((men having GAY sex with children))

The lawsuit also names an Internet provider, Verio Inc., of Englewood,
Colo., saying it has violated its own policies by hosting the NAMBLA Web
site and is providing an international communication system for pedophiles.

A spokeswoman said the company hadn't reviewed the lawsuit and couldn't
comment.

39 posted on 08/21/2003 8:25:37 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: All
ACLUM Agrees to Represent Nambla in
Freedom of Speech Case


The ACLU of Massachusetts has agreed to represent the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) in a civil lawsuit brought in U.S. District Court by the family of Jeffrey Curley.

The suit, an action for wrongful death and for civil rights violations, alleges that NAMBLA is responsible for the kidnapping, rape and murder of the 10-year-old boy by Charles Jaynes and Salvatore Sicari because its publications and the material which appeared on its Internet site "urged the general public to illegally rape male children." The plaintiffs claim that Jaynes and become a member of NAMBLA approximately one year prior to the murder and that, as a result of reading its publications and the material on its web site, "became obsessed with having sex with and raping young male children."

NAMBLA, which takes the position that sexual relationships between men and boys can be appropriate and should be legal, is considered to be one of the most controversial organizations in the United States.

ACLUM Executive Director John Roberts described the concerns which prompted ACLUM to take on NAMBLA’s defense. "While we join with all others in deploring the heinous crimes committed against Jeffrey Curley, two people have been convicted of his murder and are serving life sentences. The Curley lawsuit seeks millions of dollars in damages against NAMBLA because one of the murderers allegedly looked at the organization’s publications and web site prior to committing the crimes. There was nothing in those publications or web site which advocated or incited the commission of any illegal acts, including murder or rape."

The web site contained materials that advocated for legislative change of age-of-consent laws concerning sex between adults and adolescents and included statements by various writers, including Allen Ginsburg and Camille Paglia, references to academic journals about sexuality, some fiction and poetry, and a clear statement against coercive sex or breaking the law. NAMBLA’s publications, principally the NAMBLA Bulletin, contain the same types of material, interspersed with eroticized depictions of young boys.

ACLUM Legal Director John Reinstein, who is one of the lawyers representing NAMBLA in the suit, acknowledged that "I think it is fair to say that most people disagree with NAMBLA and that many would find its publications offensive. Regardless of whether people agree with or abhor NAMBLA’s views, holding the organization responsible for crimes committed by others who read their materials would gravely endanger important First Amendment freedoms."

Reinstein maintains that in "Brandenburg v. Ohio", the Supreme Court has made it clear that a speech or publication is protected under the First Amendment unless it is ‘directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.’ NAMBLA’s materials are simply not in this category. While NAMBLA may extol conduct which is currently illegal, its materials fall far short of speech that may be prohibited. If that rule were to be changed to allow a suit like this one, it would introduce a regime of conformity to majority rule that would threaten the very right to dissent."

While intent on pressing their suit against NAMBLA, the Curley family has acknowledged ACLU’s concerns. In a Boston Globe article which appeared shortly after the ACLU entered the case, Jeffrey Curley’s father, Bob Curley, is quoted as saying that he harbors no ill feelings toward the ACLU for defending the case. "I really do have respect for them (ACLU)", said Curley. "They are very consistent in whom they defend. It takes a lot of nerve to defend the groups they have over the years. They have a lot of courage."

A legal brief filed in the case can be read online at:

NAMBLALegalBrief
ACLU statement on defending free speech of unpopular organizations




40 posted on 08/21/2003 8:28:33 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: tdadams
What a response (#27) to someone who posted an honest and legitimate comment!

Your agenda is clearly on the side of the homosexuals and their plans for this nation. Your rude, sarcastic remarks to others is totally uncalled for and out of place, but is indicative of your busy agenda.

It's difficult to defend the indefensible and you are doing a lousy job of it, thank God!

41 posted on 08/21/2003 8:35:44 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman
ACLUM Legal Director John Reinstein, who is one of the lawyers representing NAMBLA in the suit, acknowledged that "I think it is fair to say that most people disagree with NAMBLA and that many would find its publications offensive. Regardless of whether people agree with or abhor NAMBLA's views, holding the organization responsible for crimes committed by others who read their materials would gravely endanger important First Amendment freedoms."

WTHeck?

But they can hold right-wing-talk-radio responsible for Tim McVeigh and all the rest?

That's the biggest load of BS I have heard all day. Of course, it's still pretty early here so I expect more will be coming.

42 posted on 08/21/2003 8:37:30 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: JesseHousman
A 13-year-old boy in Arkansas dies after a horrific sexual crime but much of the national media ignore the story. Conservative columnists and other critics think they know why - because the boy's accused killers are gay

Ya know, if it was a priest I'm sure we'd hear no end of it.

43 posted on 08/21/2003 8:38:42 AM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: vaudine
Vaudine, your comment is worth saving to throw again in the face of a pro-homosexual agenda agent.
44 posted on 08/21/2003 8:39:53 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman
The answer to the question is that they are not hiding it, but not giving it any real emphasis.

MEdia bias is pervasive. Just remember the confused and disapointed look in the faces of the talking heads when the DC Sniper turned out out to be two african-american men, who looked just a bit too chummy, and the dominant one was a muslim who bitterly hated the USA. Nope, no redneck here, like they had been saying for weeks. The look in their eye was telling.

How about their breakdown on election night 1994? I wish I had that on videotape, can any freeper dub me a copy? They were also clearly off their game on election night 2002.

By the same token, Brit Hume looked like he needed oxygen early in the night when it looked like Dubya was a goner, especially when he lost many of those swing states in the east and midwest, and Florida was called for Gore.

They can't hide it - it's pervasive, and it's dominant leftism. Thankfully they seem to be losing infleunces as people turn to more balanced news sources.
45 posted on 08/21/2003 8:49:39 AM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: JesseHousman
Your agenda is clearly on the side of the homosexuals and their plans for this nation.

Oh, brother, what a joke you are. Can you be any more predictable?

Sorry if I don't bow at the feet of the FR anti-gay crusades, but that doesn't make me on 'their side'.

I don't like it when leftists paint all Christians, or all gun owners, or all conservatives with an unfairly broad brush. So, being philosophically consistent, I object when conservatives use the same broad brush on others. So hang me!

46 posted on 08/21/2003 9:34:07 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: goldstategop
" I'm sure most of them live lives like us straights do"

Uuuuuh ... I don't think so. Perhaps you've been in the gold state a little to long.

47 posted on 08/21/2003 9:36:41 AM PDT by fella
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To: tdadams
Dont worry I wont! It is my business and every Americans business to protect children who cant protect themselves plus it would not be my business if it were not so much in the public eye.
You dont like my stance so be it but there is not a damn thing you can do about it.You have your opinion and when you voice it I will reply. This is an open board and all opinions count.
48 posted on 08/21/2003 10:05:02 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: gunnedah
You dont like my stance so be it but there is not a damn thing you can do about it.You have your opinion and when you voice it I will reply.

You say this as if I'm trying to have you arrested for sedition. Has anyone ever told you you have a persecution complex?

49 posted on 08/21/2003 10:25:48 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: JesseHousman; DoughtyOne; MeeknMing


Basically you have one liberal "tolerant" poster on this thread defending willful and malicious planned violent criminal behavior including murder directed against small children.

Judge accordingly.

Don't be confused by other issues this poster advocates.

Defending the NABLA/ACLU kid rapists and kid killers pretty much negates all of that camo BS.

50 posted on 08/21/2003 11:08:22 AM PDT by autoresponder (PETA TERRORISTS .wav file: BRUCE FRIEDRICH: http://tinyurl.com/hjhd)
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