Posted on 08/21/2003 12:48:59 PM PDT by adam_az
The August 9, 2003 edition of the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law at the University of Al-Zaqaziq who, together with a group of Egyptian expatriates in Switzerland, is preparing an enormous lawsuit against "all the Jews of the world." The following are excerpts from the interview: [1]
Dr. Hilmi: "… Since the Jews make various demands of the Arabs and the world, and claim rights that they base on historical and religious sources, a group of Egyptians in Switzerland has opened the case of the so-called 'great exodus of the Jews from Pharaonic Egypt.' At that time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more, leaving Egypt in the middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless."
Question: "What will the group of Egyptians in Switzerland do about this issue?"
Hilmi: "Dr. Gamil Yaken, vice president of the Egyptian community in Switzerland, came to Egypt to collect information. We set up a legal team to prepare the necessary legal confrontation aimed at restoring what the Jews stole a long time ago, to which the statute of limitations cannot possibly apply. Furthermore, [the theft] is based on their holy book, the same source on which they relied when they invaded other peoples…
"The Egyptian Pharaoh was surprised one day to discover thousands of Egyptian women crying under the palace balcony, asking for help and complaining that the Jews stole their clothing and jewels, in the greatest collective fraud history has ever known.
"The theft was not limited to gold alone. The thieves stole everything imaginable. They emptied the Egyptian homes of cooking utensils. One of the women approached Pharaoh, her eyes downcast, and said that her Jewish neighbor who lived in the house on the right of her house had come to her and asked to borrow her gold items, claiming she had been invited to a wedding… The Jewish neighbor took [the items] and promised to return them the next day. A few minutes later, the neighbor to the left knocked on the door and asked to borrow the cooking utensils, because she was having guests for dinner. Using this same deceitful system, they took possession of all the cooking utensils…"
Question: "It is clear why they stole the gold, but why the cooking utensils?"
Hilmi: "Taking posession of the gold was understandable. This is clear theft of a host country's resources and treasure, something that fits the morals and character of the Jews. Yet what was not clear to the Egyptian women were the reasons for stealing the cooking utensils, when other things may have been of greater value. However, one of the Egyptian priets said that this had been the Jews' twisted way throughout history; they seek to cause a minor problem connected with the needs of everyday life so as to occupy people with these matters and prevent them from pursuing them to get back the stolen gold...
"A police investigation revealed that Moses and Aaron, peace be upon them, understood that it was impossible to live in Egypt, despite its pleasures and even though the Egyptians included them in every activity, due to the Jews' perverse nature, to which the Egyptians had reconciled themselves, though with obvious unwillingness. Therefore, an order was issued by the Jewish rabbis to flee the country, and that the exodus should be secret and under cover of darkness and with the largest possible amount of loot. The code word was 'At midnight.' In addition, the Jewish women were told to steal the gold and cooking utensils of the Egyptian women, and that is what happened."
Question: "Did they leave individually or as a group?"
Hilmi: "They left in a convoy of 600,000, that is, about 120,000 families. There were a few wagons in the convoy, and a long line of donkeys loaded with the stolen goods… They crossed the desert in the heart of Sinai, in an attempt to confuse Pharaoh's army, which was on their trail… Later they rested and began to count the stolen gold, and discovered that it reached 300,000 kg of gold."
Question: "But the Jews can cast doubt on this story with their usual methods. What is the religious evidence you said is in the Torah?"
Hilmi:"Naturally, the Jews cast doubt on this story because that is in their interest. But the answer would be that the story is based on what is written in the Torah. It can be found in Exodus, [Chapter] 35, verses 12 through 36…"
Question: "So what arguments can be made in support of getting back our stolen gold?"
Hilmi: "There are two types of claims, one religious and the other legal. From a religious standpoint, all monotheistic religions have called not to steal… It is also in the Ten Commandments, which the Jews were ordered [to observe]. Therefore, they have a basic religious obligation to return what was stolen, if it exists.
"From a legal standpoint, fleeing with the Egyptians' goods could be for the purpose of borrowing or for the purpose of stealing. If it is for the purpose of borrowing, legally it has a temporary dimension, not a permanent dimension, and therefore they must return [the gold], with interest, to its owners.
"On the other hand, if the Jews took the goods from the Egyptians not for the purpose of borrowing it but to keep them for themselves, by legal norms this is theft, and therefore they must return the stolen goods to their owners, in addition to the interest for its use over the entire period of the theft."
Question: "What do you think is the value of the gold, silver, and clothing that was stolen, and how do you calculate their value today?"
Hilmi: "If we assume that the weight of what was stolen was one ton, [its worth] doubled every 20 years, even if the annual interest is only 5%. In one ton of gold is 700 kg of pure gold – and we must remember that what was stolen was jewelry, that is, alloyed with copper. Hence, after 1,000 years, it would be worth 1,125,898,240 million tons, which equals 1,125,898 billion tons for 1,000 years. In other words, 1,125 trillion tons of gold, that is, a million multiplied by a million tons of gold. This is for one stolen ton. The stolen gold is estimated at 300 tons, and it was not stolen for 1,000 years, but for 5,758 years, by the Jewish reckoning. Therefore, the debt is very large…
"The value must be calculated precisely in accordance with the information collected, and afterward a lawsuit must be filed against all the Jews of the world, and against the Jews of Israel in particular, so they will repay the Egyptians the debt that appears in the Torah."
Question: "Is a compromise solution possible?"
Hilmi: "There may be a compromise solution. The debt can be rescheduled over 1,000 years, with the addition of the cumulative interest during that period."
In the time of Alexander the Macedonian, the egyptians came to him with a complaint against the jews quoting the Torah (exodus 12:36) 'And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they let them have what they asked. And they despoiled the Egyptians.'. and we want it back.
Geviha Ben Pesisa, a Jew requested of the scholars of the time 'allow me to reply to them, if I lose you can say he wasn't a scholar. Should I win please say that it was the Torah of Moshe that carried the argument.'
Geviha then asked the Egyptians where is your proof? they replied your Torah (verse above). Geviha answered, then I will to use the torah, does it not say (exodus 12:40) 'Now the time that the children of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years.' you owe us for the labor of 600,000 people that you enslaved for 400 years.
Alexander gave the Egyptians 3 days in which to refute Geviha's answer. They never returned, leaving behind all their fields in Israel. That year being a sabbatical year (shmita) when all fields lay fallow, these abandoned fields were a boon for the Jews.
No doubt any gold was taken back to Egypt.
A "trivial pursuit" question: How many times has the Temple in Jerusalem been desacreted, and or reduced to rubble? You have 30 seconds to think about it. Was it one time? Twice? Three times? Four times? Other?
Another one, and this will depend on your religion, how many times has the Messiah been manifest? A little Bible knowledge would help for this one, but no use of the concordance. Was it once? Twice? Three times? Kind of regularly every couple of dozen years? I don't know.
Thinking of all that gold in all those wagons behind all those donkeys trudging across the desert leads to a free flow of consciencousness.
Thanks for the ping adam_az. This is crazy.
I guess the next lawsuit will be for the 10 Plagues God brought upon the Egyptians.
1)An interesting test case for statute of limitations...(what's 3500 years amongst friends?).
2)The Egyptians gave the jewelry and gold willingly (and proving otherwise will be awfully ... tough).
3) Will the party(ies) who claims they were personally ripped off please stand up?
4) Can the parties who claim to be descendents of the 'victims' prove it (i.e., got any photos of great-great-great-great-great-insert 100 greats here-great grandmama's missing bracelet)? Got her original police report reporting the theft?
Anyways - good for a chuckle (P.S. - if any, or all, of these observations were made in the article - I apologize for being redundant because I never got past the headline)
'Johnny Cochran and Jesse Jackson wrap up their idea exchange to Egypt'
Wild Thing
It's even worse than the 'slave reparations' BS in the USA.
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