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Say It Ain't So, Bud (Pete Rose Alert)
fanstop.com ^ | 08/20/2003 | Adam Graham

Posted on 08/22/2003 10:12:15 AM PDT by Keyes2000mt

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To: ianincali
How many World Series Rings does Bonds have: 0.

Ruth has 4.

Bump; for emphasis.

82 posted on 08/22/2003 2:40:12 PM PDT by TravisBickle (Are you talking to me?)
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To: ianincali
Sorry, missed that.
83 posted on 08/22/2003 2:40:19 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt
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To: ianincali
Padres manager Bruce Bochy disagrees.

He wasn't speaking about Barry as an individual, his is a lone opinion, and his credibility on the issue is equal with the Padres being in last place in the NL West (28 games out from SF). He is wrong and the Padres suck.

He has more records broken than Ted Williams and he will brake the Bambino's all time record season HR record soon just as he broke the walk record and combination stolen bases and singles season HR record and eventauly Aron's record. Ted had a one of the greatest swings (I read his book), but Barry is quicker and just like Ted talks about seeing the stiching rotation on the ball before he swings.

84 posted on 08/22/2003 2:41:00 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Keyes2000mt
They should put Pete Rose in the HOF right beside John McGraw.

American League President Ban Johnson to issue an order in 1903 forbidding all gambling and betting in American League parks. Johnson's order was greatly ignored as gambling continued to infest baseball. Two years later, New York Giants manager [and 1937 Hall of Fame inductee]John McGraw was involved in a gambling incident during the A's-Giants World Series. McGraw had placed $400 on the Giants to win the Series. After New York defeated the A's in 5 games, McGraw collected on his winnings and never faced any discipline over the incident.

85 posted on 08/22/2003 2:50:53 PM PDT by Cooter
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The Black Sox scandal was a few years before my time, but I've managed to keep abreast of most things in baseball since the thirties. I think I have a pretty good handle on this story.

Pete definitely made a mistake... but no more so than a bunch of other players, both before and after him. Does the name Ty Cobb ring a bell? He bet on games too, then went out and played harder than ever to win. Babe Ruth did a bit of minor betting too without getting tossed out of the game.

So what's the difference with Pete? Well, it's the same difference we all bitch about when we see liberal ideas celebrated on the front page and conservative principles hidden amongst the obituaries. THE PRESS!! Prior to WW2 most of the press was on the unofficial payroll of baseball and they certainly weren't going to bite the hand that fed their familes. Now that the press has been "liberated" it can tear into anybody it wants, especially anybody that doesn't play by their ill-defined rules. Pete didn't give them the proper respect in his interviews so they scratched around and dug up a cross to crucify him on. If he's guilty of anything, it's being stupid enough to hand them the nails and hammer.

While I can't say that I know Pete, I've met him and his family. He ain't the sweetest guy around but he's no worse than a lot of professional basketball players... especially some of the ones we have here in Portland, the home of the Jailblazers.

Give him a pass. He's done more for baseball than all the keyboard commandos who've been condemning him here.

86 posted on 08/22/2003 2:55:15 PM PDT by oldfart (")
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To: Az Joe
Not a good analogy for your argument.

I asked for ANY proof that ANYTHING he did changed the outcome of ANY game. We have proof that corked bats affect the outcome of games. So when there is no proof, you say ban him. When there is proof you say don't ban him?

I understood what you asked. My response was that betting on baseball in itself was so damaging to the game that proof of affect was not germane. Beyond that you are carrying out the comparison for your own entertainment.

You may have outrage, you aren't the one keeping him out. Where is MLBs outrage? Where is their effort to ferret out these other outrages to the game?

So since they aren't addressing these other outrages they should just go ahead and let Rose in the game? That may be how you would handle things. I would opt to address the other issues while keeping Rose out.

Begging the question on re-instatement. By putting the clause in that he could re-apply, it follows that they would seriously consider re-instatement. If there was no intent to ever reinstate then the clause is a joke and that makes the whole document a joke. Either they misled Rose into signing the document or they meant what they said, there is no third way.

There is a third way. The option for re-instatement might have been included IF Rose made any serious attempt to admit his transgressions, apologize, be contrite, and atone for his sins against the game. Since there has been no meaningful acknowledgement of wrongdoing on his part, who's to know? Regardless, I'm glad he's not back.

88 posted on 08/22/2003 3:14:34 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: ianincali
Barry must win a World Series, otherwise, his individual accomplishments will always be overshadowed by never having achieved the ultimate goal in sports...a CHAMPIONSHIP.

Patients my friend.......patients....I am looking forward to watching the Giants beat up on the bronks bombers soon........very soon my friend. I predict a splash end in the Bay for that ring and another year without a championship for George and the Yanks.

89 posted on 08/22/2003 3:34:47 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Well, if you want to end by being inconsistent, be my guest.

I hope he gets in and will do what I can to help get him in.
91 posted on 08/22/2003 3:48:35 PM PDT by Az Joe
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To: ianincali
The game with the Angels was won and Hernandez blew it on one pitch. This year they are ten games up. This year they have been in first place all season from the very start and now past the allstar break. In a few days they will brake the NL record for most games in first place even if they lose the next 10 they will still beat the Cubs record. They just swept the Braves who they will face for the NL championship again in post season. They kept the lead in the NL west wth half the starters out or on the DL list. Alou has given his players time to rest and heal for the post season coming up. How many more reasons than that could you need?
92 posted on 08/22/2003 3:49:19 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Mat_Helm
I will concede that Barry can not be called the best until he has a Championship and beats Aron's record. I am satisfied in my own mind that he is the best in Baseball at the plate today. After the home run last nigt to win the game again with a walk off..... I have no doubt he is the funest player to watch swing the bat ever!!!!!!!!!!
93 posted on 08/22/2003 3:53:11 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: RJL
bingo.....our kids cannot be allowed to see rewards for sports gambling and cheating
95 posted on 08/22/2003 3:58:54 PM PDT by cars for sale
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To: ianincali
How many bases did the Babe steal?
96 posted on 08/22/2003 4:03:20 PM PDT by csvset
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Bud Selig wears frilly lacy panties...Rose gambled on the outcome of the sport of baseball, something he was intimately involved in as a manager. He broke the rules and deserves the justice Bart Giamatti administered. Why can't all you milk toasts get that?! There are too many citizens suffering from "Principle Bypasses."
99 posted on 08/22/2003 4:12:23 PM PDT by PatriotBill (REMOVE)
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