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MLK Rally marked by Bush, Ashcroft bashing & absence of US flags; Speaker Praises Mugabe
Personal Observations on C-SPAN ^ | August 23, 2003 | nwrep

Posted on 08/23/2003 6:23:59 PM PDT by nwrep

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To: concerned about politics
MLK asked for equality, and nothing more, through Peace.

On paper, and publicly. But the whole politics of the Civil Rights Movement was to summon the federal government to put down Mr. Charlie with central-government power -- a Marxist dream. The jury's still out on whether it was really about rights, or just about the back of the bus. Over the last 20 years, I've begun to incline toward the latter, with the emergence of preferences and "affirmative action". Key quotes: Benjamin Hooks's "Never, ever, ever let the white man off the hook", and Kweisi Mfume's "No apologies" (meaning: do what's best for "us", go ahead and step on other people, and no apologies).

I'm not so sure that, offered the possibility of "affirmative action", King wouldn't have gone for it. His rhetoric was at odds with preferences -- but he was a liberal, after all. Would you want to bet the farm on your proposition?

The good news in all this is that the NAACP and the SCLC, which were among the more confrontational civil-rights groups (right after SNCC and its child, the Black Panther Party), don't represent anything like the full spectrum of opinion in the black community.

He did NOT ask for welfare or elitist status. He wanted people to be judged by their character, not their income, their vote, or color, or quotas.

He kept saying that, but how do you really know? He kept slapping women around in motel rooms, too.

You can't infer strict equalitarianism from his politics, which was all about stirring up Northern liberals and getting them to send federal marshals and federal troops into the South to knock down white Southerners politically on the Civil Rights Movement's behalf. Which was very congruent with the agenda of Northern liberals whose vast welfare-state programs and "principles" were consistently obstructed by Southern "moss-backs". The whole purpose of the Civil Rights Movement, from the Northern point of view, was to get those anti-socialists out of office.

JMHO.

101 posted on 08/24/2003 12:41:16 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
MLK got his dream, I believe from most Americans. The problem is we DO judge people by the content of their character and discriminate accordingly. If you are a crack head with 8 children and no wife who doesn't pay his bills, I probably would discriminate against you. If you have dread locks and have a rap sheet as long as my arm and you listen to rap music @90db in your lowered purple metalflaked Pontiac, you probably still don't have a chance at the board of directors slot at Citi Group. On the other hand Allan Keys, Walter Williams, Condi Rice, Colin Powell,Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, et al, have done pretty well inspite of the Democrats trying to keep them on the plantation.

You don't even have to be conservative to make it. Oprah is as rich as anybody any color. Bill Cosby, Mikey Jordan, and a few others have done alright. It's a shame but some more liberal names can't stay off the demon weed and keep their pants zipped or in the case of O.J., keep from cutting throats. They shall be judged by their character however.

It always facinated me when Jesse Jackson was fretting over the different prison terms for cocaine and crack, I would scream at the TV,"Don't do either one, don't get anybody pregnant, stay in school, try not to shoot AK's from your car, and you too could be Justice Thomas!" It was just so logical to me that if you didn't want a crack sentence, DON'T DO CRACK!

Chances are good today that if you are down and out, you probably don't have any content in your character, black or white.

102 posted on 08/24/2003 1:01:51 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
It always facinated me when Jesse Jackson was fretting over the different prison terms for cocaine and crack, I would scream at the TV

Side point. Does anyone remeber the uproar during the late 1980's and early 1990's that the CIA and Presidents Reagan and Bush (41) were responsible for bringing crak cocaine into the inner cities? The authorities answered by cracking down on crack and putting crack dealers and users in jail at a higher rate. This, as much as anything, helped to spur the drop in crime that occured in most inner cities during the late 1990's. It probably helped save the lives of around 500,000-1,000,000 young blacks. Yet here we are in 2003 with a "black leader" telling people that the crack down on crack is racist!?!? AM I LIVING IN A BIZARRO WORLD????

103 posted on 08/24/2003 1:07:24 AM PDT by GmbyMan (everythingpolitics.blogspot.com)
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To: GmbyMan
Does anyone remeber the uproar during the late 1980's and early 1990's that the CIA and Presidents Reagan and Bush (41) were responsible for bringing crak cocaine into the inner cities?

I saw your comment, but I'm not going to take the bait.

Bizarro, yes -- to think two presidents would conspire to import crack. That was a vile canard run out by the San Diego paper and duly exposed as false. I believe the paper printed a retraction.

104 posted on 08/24/2003 2:02:03 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: nwrep
This rally brings to mind something PT Barnum once said...
105 posted on 08/24/2003 2:23:53 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (Im just asking)
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To: nwrep
The Left is like Yugoslavia. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it's gone to pieces, hateful little pieces.
106 posted on 08/24/2003 2:34:34 AM PDT by witnesstothefall (tag lines are for wimps)
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To: nwrep
They wanted to offend America and all they did was reveal another layer of their anti-Americanism. It's so convenient and people have been so nicely conditioned to think they're protesting racism when in fact they're just malcontents with a socialist agenda.

There was no shortage of American flags when Elian was in the middle of a tug of war between freedom and slavery. The Congressional Black Caucus was on Castro's side back then too but the people of Miami wanted his freedom.

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Elian is back in the clutches of communism.


Former Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega (R), Cuban boy Elian Gonzales and Reverend Lucius Walker of the U.S. sit together during a political rally at the former Moncada military barracks in Santiago de Cuba, July 26, 2003. Today is the 50th anniversary of the assault on the military compound led by Fidel Castro that launched the revolution. REUTERS/Claudia Daut

107 posted on 08/24/2003 3:22:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Wilhelm Tell
I agree with you assessment.

As a teacher I have shown that speech to my students, and have always been proud that it was an inclusive speech. Everyone is welcome to the table.

After watching this circus on C-Span this morning I am sickened at the partisan attacks that took place. Speaker after speaker lashed out at the Bush Administration, calling them the evil ones.

Unfortunately they don't see the progress that has been made in 40 years.

A profound event that could have been uplifting was turned into a terrible sadness.

108 posted on 08/24/2003 3:54:26 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom.... needs a soldier !)
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To: nwrep
Apparently in an effort to establish his credentials as even more radical than the previous speakers, he heaped lavish praise on Robert Mugabe for "reclaiming African lands from the colonialists", never mind the fact that this despicable tyrant has turned a once prosperous country into an ecological disaster by the systematic starvation of this people, while forcefully stealing farms from white farmers who had owned them for generations. In the twisted mind of this speaker, Mugabe was an example worth emulating across the continent.

Mugabe's family and political cronies took the lion's share of land and LEASED small plots to other blacks that support his ruling party but the net result for blacks is starvation and displacement from the farms where they lived and worke and ate and were educated.

109 posted on 08/24/2003 4:45:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: nwrep
MLK would spit on these vermin.
110 posted on 08/24/2003 4:46:45 AM PDT by friendly ((Badges?, we don gots to show no stinkin' badges!))
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To: nwrep
Why does an Arab woman in a headscarf think she has the right to tell Americans that we have "a long way to go in our struggle for freedoms"? Why did the NAACP invite so many Arabs to speak at this rally? Why were there so many Palestinians at this rally? Why was someone from the more moderate civil rights groups (such as the Congress for Racial Equality) not invited to speak?

The new anti-Semitism

111 posted on 08/24/2003 5:40:57 AM PDT by veronica (http://www.majorityleader.gov/news.asp?FormMode=Detail&ID=130)
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To: friendly
MLK would spit on these vermin.

You're right. MLK was a Christian. There were mostly black muslims attending that rally. Nothing but wall to wall coverage on this sham rally and virtually no coverage of the supporters who rallied down at the Alabama courthouse yesterday.

112 posted on 08/24/2003 6:09:50 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: freeperfromnj
This is a collection of racist cockroachs, deceitful leftist media, and vile sycophant politicians, all of whom are totally opposed to MLK's message.
113 posted on 08/24/2003 6:23:16 AM PDT by friendly ((Badges?, we don gots to show no stinkin' badges!))
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To: nwrep
It is people like this who are tearing down America and NO,they are NOT my fellow Americans!
114 posted on 08/24/2003 7:32:05 AM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: kristinn
This was a pathetic, shameful rally.

Had you considered Freeping this?

115 posted on 08/24/2003 7:35:45 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: 185JHP
FOR SURE, VERY SADLY.
116 posted on 08/24/2003 7:40:56 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: happygrl
Jesse and Al are just mad that MLK's doctor title was legitimately earned.
117 posted on 08/24/2003 8:54:33 AM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: EGPWS
Losers all. That's why they participate in such hate fests.
118 posted on 08/24/2003 8:57:10 AM PDT by OldFriend ((Dems inhabit a parallel universe))
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To: nwrep
Thanks for the analysis.

I be sure to watch and try not to blow a fuse.


The "buckets" came out again. LOL
Par for a Jesse speech.
119 posted on 08/24/2003 9:05:16 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: nwrep
[The most stunning aspect of this rally was the almost complete, seemingly choreographed absence of the Old Glory throughout the vast crowd, ]

The full flower of the modern Left's turpitude and depravity.

120 posted on 08/24/2003 10:21:19 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Theodore R.
Funny. There were very few blacks in Dornan's district, so I doubt that their opinion of him was important. It was the rise of the Mexicans and Vietnamese that killed him.
121 posted on 08/24/2003 1:00:16 PM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: lentulusgracchus
By the way, what you described sounded rather like a movement in decay, with the leadership putting on a show and the followership, less than edified by the spectacle, drifting away.

Just look at the photos at the top of the thread. Notice that they weren't even able to draw enough attendees to fill up the plaza directly in front of the steps. Then go back and look at the photos from the actual MLK speech from 1963, given on those same steps; there were so many people there that they extended all the way back to the other end of the Mall and beyond ... the photographers couldn't even capture them all in any one shot.

A lot of people at yesterday's rally may have gotten disillusioned and drifted away after only being able to take so much political BS, but the truth is that the people that believed in MLK's principles distanced themselves from this bunch in disgust years ago and wouldn't be caught dead at such a public gathering today.

One again, it's proven that Hate doesn't sell. Someday the RATS will learn this ... but not until after they learn to stop hating in the first place.

122 posted on 08/24/2003 1:17:07 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: hellinahandcart
They can read the handwriting on the wall. Either gays or Arabs are going to be elevated to Oppressed Victim Class Numero Uno in the coming election, and blacks are gonna get screwed again...

As long as blacks continue to so blindly support the Democratic Party that the RATS can take them for granted and ignore them, and they keep defecating on a GOP that has tried over and over to welcome them with open arms, they're going to get screwed at every election from now until the end of time.

What percentage of blacks are supporting Cruz "N*****!" Bustamante in California, just because he has a (D) after his name?

123 posted on 08/24/2003 1:26:11 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: JulieRNR21
That may be why the lamestream media hasn't covered it....

They didn't cover the Paul Wellstone memori-rally either, but New Media made sure they entire country knew about it, and it was the only thing we talked about for the entire final week leading up to the 2002 elections, where it played a major role in the GOP's nationwide annihilation of the RATS.

Word of this festival of hate will get out as well. The consequences won't be nearly as heavy, of course, since the only thing remarkable about yesterday's freak show was the intensity and quantity of their disgusting conduct. We all expected there to be at least some crap like this. We just didn't expect it to be almost ALL crap.

124 posted on 08/24/2003 1:32:47 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Blue Scourge
King would be rolling over in his grave....I honestly hope he didn't see this disgraceful display...

Especially considering that his own son was part of it.

125 posted on 08/24/2003 1:33:29 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Destro
In fact they can speak out against me and my nation all they want. I will defend their right to do so with glee.

But we can't speak out against them? You have confused people's comments with government prohibition. No one even said they had no right to speak!

126 posted on 08/24/2003 1:33:44 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: nwrep; F16Fighter; happygrl
Please, don't tap on the glass.
127 posted on 08/24/2003 1:35:09 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: malia
Doesn't his being there do just that?

Unless he disavows them, yes. Dean is now a tacit supporter of Robert Mugabe.

128 posted on 08/24/2003 1:40:16 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: tgslTakoma
"But we'll stay. If we have to, we'll get arrested," she said. "This is what massive civil disobedience is all about."

400 smelly losers is not a "massive" anything, Cherry Honky.

129 posted on 08/24/2003 2:07:15 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: nwrep
BTTT Thank you for an excellent report. I know it must have been difficult to sit through. Your questins at the end ...Why the almost enforced absence of US flags?... were good ones. The answer is that flags weren't prohibited, it's just the belief system of these people. Look at the wtich, lying on her back "protesting" racism. That's as much as she is willing do to prevent it. Typical LAZY, IGNORANT lefties. And the woman in a headscarf calling for OUR human rights...? Just as Savage says, Liberalism is a MENTAL ILLNESS!
130 posted on 08/24/2003 2:13:11 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: Quix
FReegards.
131 posted on 08/24/2003 2:35:34 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "All not actually on watch, lay to your racks...")
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To: nwrep
This event raised a lot of questions in my mind: Why the almost enforced absence of US flags? Why no singing of the Star Spangled Banner? Why no mention of the greatness of America? Why no invitee from the right of the political spectrum? Why was this event not billed as a DNC rally, even though it appeared to be little more than that? Why the emphasis on "hip-hop", gay rights and Palestinian Liberation at a rally commemorating MLK's speech? What do these things have to do with civil rights, which, at this point in time, should be a non-issue?

Why does an Arab woman in a headscarf think she has the right to tell Americans that we have "a long way to go in our struggle for freedoms"? Why did the NAACP invite so many Arabs to speak at this rally? Why were there so many Palestinians at this rally? Why was someone from the more moderate civil rights groups (such as the Congress for Racial Equality) not invited to speak? And lastly, why the non-coverage by the media, with the notable exception of C-SPAN?

The simplest answer?

This was a communist gathering, disguised as a racial event.

132 posted on 08/24/2003 5:46:52 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Welcome to the #1 website dedicated to the preservation of a free republic.)
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To: Libertina
...as Savage says, Liberalism is a MENTAL ILLNESS!

More specifically, liberalism is a mental illness rooted in narcism.

133 posted on 08/24/2003 5:50:13 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Welcome to the #1 website dedicated to the preservation of a free republic.)
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To: Destro
Freedom means also the freedom to care. "All it takes for the bad guys to win, is good men to do nothing"
134 posted on 08/24/2003 6:21:25 PM PDT by singsong (Demoralization does not kill people, it kills civilizations.)
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To: zarf
He did champion race quotas after all.
135 posted on 08/24/2003 6:23:52 PM PDT by junta (Xenophobia a perfectly reasonable response to the feckless stupidity of globalism.)
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To: Clemenza
Yea, you are right, it was not blacks who defeated Dornan but Hispanics. Still, Hispanics benefited from the civil riughts movement, and Dornan was very active in it. Also at the rally 40 years ago Tuesday was Charlton Heston. Neither of these gentlemen today are popular among the groups who pushed for the civil rights agenda that they both supported. That's what I meant to say. In other words, "no good deed goes unpunished."
136 posted on 08/24/2003 6:26:25 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Loyal Buckeye
I have no problem with MLK;

Then perhaps you should go back and read some of his writings - if you can find them. I suspect that the family has buried most of them.

137 posted on 08/24/2003 6:28:54 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: nwrep
>Why was someone from the more moderate civil rights groups (such as the Congress for Racial Equality) not invited to speak?

Why was not a member of CORE invited to speak? This is what the media thinks of CORE's spokesman Niger Innis.


138 posted on 08/24/2003 6:33:36 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: singsong
My earlier statement As longs as they observe the constitution, let them be covers your "what if?" scenario "All it takes for the bad guys to win, is good men to do nothing".

No more need be said on the matter.

139 posted on 08/24/2003 6:35:05 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: nwrep
"I have a nightmare!"

And this is it.

140 posted on 08/24/2003 6:52:34 PM PDT by Imal (The World According to Imal: http://imal.blogspot.com)
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To: tgslTakoma
"We're all still fighting for equality," said Sandi McCullough-Jones, 52, of Capitol Heights, a consultant who attended with her daughter, also a lesbian.

I always thought homosexuality wasn't hereditary. Go figure.

141 posted on 08/24/2003 7:30:41 PM PDT by Imal (The World According to Imal: http://imal.blogspot.com)
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To: GmbyMan
"AM I LIVING IN A BIZARRO WORLD????"

Is there any other kind?

142 posted on 08/24/2003 7:37:52 PM PDT by Imal (The World According to Imal: http://imal.blogspot.com)
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To: Timesink
Word of this festival of hate will get out as well. The consequences won't be nearly as heavy, of course, since the only thing remarkable about yesterday's freak show was the intensity and quantity of their disgusting conduct.

For the careful canning and preservation of which for later use, I certainly hope the RNC had the foresight to hire NFL Films during the last of their off-season. We need to get all those voices, all those twisted-up faces and shrill, harpy voices on rich, luminous, living film........they will be such a good source of quotes and clips for later on.

143 posted on 08/24/2003 9:03:12 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Imal
I always thought homosexuality wasn't hereditary. Go figure.

Sure it is. Ask Paula Poundstone. She was helping one of her girls to come out, when she was busted by narrowminded California cops.

144 posted on 08/24/2003 9:06:00 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: nwrep
"Martin Luther King III, and he set the tone for the afternoon's speeches by attacking the war on Iraq and Afghanistan, and blaming the Bush administration and the US military for all ills under the sun. He listed "homophobia" as one of the greatest contemporary evils facing mankind"

Following in his father's footsteps of hating America and siding with it's enemies. I wonder if the FBI has any videotapes of his drunken sexual orgies, or perhaps someone has checked if his research papers were plagiarized?
145 posted on 08/24/2003 9:28:40 PM PDT by HadEnough
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To: lentulusgracchus
That is Carol Mosely Braun, sitting between two other prominent Pres. contenders. Or is that pretenders? Whatever.

vaudine
146 posted on 08/24/2003 9:48:44 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: Northern Yankee
I agree, race baiters and leftists have made a mockery of MLK's dream. Sad!
147 posted on 08/24/2003 10:07:02 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: vaudine
Thanks, someone pointed that out to me upthread. Overall, though, it's amazing how close in their political and speaking style Moseley-Braun and Jackson Lee are.......they like the same kind of double-barreled last names, too, the kind that feminists like because they minimize the husband's importance to the marriage.
148 posted on 08/24/2003 11:33:53 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: nwrep
Will MLK ever stop spinning in his grave?

MLK was a great leader, worthy of the nation's respect, but this group of race baiters are an embarrasment to their people and the country. Sickening.

Isn't it funny how nobody, and I mean nobody, ever leaves this terrible country in protest? Even for a short while?

149 posted on 08/25/2003 6:03:05 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: Theodore R.
What about Charleton Heston? He was there in 63 also.
150 posted on 08/25/2003 6:37:35 AM PDT by wjcsux
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